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  • According to the wiki the battle (and other events) occurred around 9,829 BG. I've been wondering how we know this date for a while and figured I just missed something but I've just rewatched ALoK Book 2: Spirits and nothing there appears to suggest we know the date of this convergence. Additionally looking at the sources for most of the dates of it appear to reference Beginnings, so as far as I can tell there's not some content I've missed important to this.

    The only conclusion that I can come to is that people are just assuming this is the case but an important line from "A New Spiritual Age" makes it clear this may not be the case, in Wan Shi Tong's Library Jinora finds a book stating the following "The elders believe that as long as the portals are closed during the Harmonic Convergence, Vaatu will remain imprisoned and the battle between good and evil will not be fought again. But, if both portals are open, spirit energy is amplified greatly. During the Harmonic Convergence, this energy will be great enough to allow Vaatu to break free from his bonds, and the material world will again risk being consumed by darkness". Knowing this piece of information, there's no reason to assume the Harmonic Convergence we observe in Beginnings happens on 10,000 years prior to that at the end of Book 2: Spirits. It could have been many many more years prior to that.

    In fact the only solid information we do have on its date, Roku stating the Avatar has mastered the elements thousands of times over thousands of lifetimes, would place said Harmonic Convergence many years earlier.

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    • So the dating system is completely "fan-made" in a manner of speaking. However the dates, while fan-made, do track based on the in-canon info we gather from the show and other supporting content. By using the dates we know and using concrete points in time as a base of BG and AG (before genocide and after genocide)

      0AG/BG is the "Air Nomad Genocide" (and the first Sozin's Comet we see in ATLA). The 2nd Sozin's comet is 100AG (after genocide) given that the Comet comes once every 100 years.

      Now, we also know that Korra was born in 153AG. Harmonic Convergence happens when she is 18, thus in 171AG and 171-10,000 = -9829 so we know that 9829BG was 10,000 years before 171AG. So with that math we know that Wan's Harmonic Convergence was in 9829BG.

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    • QisMyName wrote: In fact the only solid information we do have on its date, Roku stating the Avatar has mastered the elements thousands of times over thousands of lifetimes, would place said Harmonic Convergence many years earlier.

      Also this point that Roku made is not taken as literal, given how easily disproved that statement is given that we know Wan to Korra is ~10,000 years that would imply that the average death age of the avatars is like 8 years old if Roku had mastered it 1000 times which is already like 200 years before Korra.

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    • I understand BG/AG are not considered canon. My concern is not anything to do with the dating system. What I am trying to say is that we have no way of knowing is that, from canon material, I see nothing stating the events of "Beginnings" happened 10,000 years before the events of "Harmonic Convergence". We know Harmonic Convergence happens once every 10,000 years, but that could easily mean the events of "Beginnings" happened at any 10,000 year interval prior to the events of "Harmonic Convergence", eg. it could've been 150,000 years prior for all we know.

      I made clear in my original post that I've looked at the canon information stated on the wiki for supporting when the events occurred but I could not see anything making it clear that it was 10,000 years prior.

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    • The other thing is that 万 (Wan) in Chinese literally means 10,000. Why would you give a character who appeared at the beginning of a 10k year cycle the name 'Wan' (the name 'Ten Thousand') if in reality he lived 70k years ago?

      [Edit] Also because I haven't checked the pages but does the wiki say that Wan is the Avatar 10k years before Korra? Or just that he's the first Avatar?

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    • That is a very good point...I haven't ever thought of that

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    • Oh, the time in which is occurs comes from this draft: https://mikedimartinostory.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/k207_record_draft_1-16-12.pdf

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    • @Fruipit I think it just says the first Avatar. And it says that harmonic convergence is every 10,000 years. But not that Wan was 10,000 years before Korra

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    • QisMyName wrote: Oh, the time in which is occurs comes from this draft: https://mikedimartinostory.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/k207_record_draft_1-16-12.pdf

      It says 10,000 years before Korra in that draft.

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    • Yes. That is what I was saying. I wasn't aware of the draft prior to this point.

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    • The draft is just a draft though. Clearly not everything in the draft made it to the atual show. I still think it was literally 10,000 years but there is room for doubt.

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