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  • I'm gonna be up front, I actually really like Ruins of the Empire mainly because the dynamic between Korra, Asami and Kuvira was really engaging and the arc really helped to flesh out Kuvira's character that helped change her from an overall solid antagonist to a really great character.

    My only issue with Ruins is that I really have to ask, why are Mako and Bolin still here? They weren't Bad by any means but they weren't that interesting, especially when compared to our lead ladies.

    Mako's barely a presences in the story and the same goes for Bolin. You could have removed them from the story completely and nothing would change, if anything the story would have likely been improved by their absence since the biggest issue many fans have is that the story felt rushed. And a big part of why it felt rushed is that we spend more time then we need to on two characters who really don't need to be there.

    This has been a problem with the series post, if I'm to be honest, A Leaf on the Wind. Mako and Bolin are perfectly fine characters, as one shots. Neither of them are really that complex or deep enough to continue past their first episode.

    Take Haru from The Last Airbender. He's a really likeable character who makes a few appearances post The Imprisoned but he really isn't complex enough to do much after his first appearance. This becomes even more obvious when he DOES team with Aang and the rest for a little while in Fire and barely even speaks.

    Asami is a great character who adds to Korra's character and also adds to the plot of pretty much every story she's been in, be it the TV series or the comics. Kuvira is a character who can add a LOT to the series due to her truly engaging relationship with Korra and Asami and her own impact on the world.

    Ruins really highlighted just how uninteresting Mako and Bolin are as they are often treated as a second thought throughout the story and their relationship with Kuvira is hardly ever mentioned past the first issue. Assuming it gets mentioned at all.

    Kuvira almost got Mako killed and Bolin worked for Kuvira for 3 years and was betrayed by her and both of them have almost no lines with her. Contrast this with Asami who next to Korra has the most amount of dialogue with. In the scenes where the two are not together Asami makes it clear that she REALLY hates Kuvira for the death of her father and can't even bring herself to be in the same room with her at first. And when the two are in the same room Asami spends most of her time glaring at Kuvira and makes it clear that she is doesn't trust her.

    It's very telling that when the Krew was about to be brainwashed that the person Kuvira apologizes to for failing to help isn't Bolin, her former subordinate, it's Asami, the daughter of the man she killed.

    So, why are Mako and Bolin still here if the writers are clearly no longer interested in them. They're Clearly interested in exploring Korra, Asami and Kuvira and truth be told I could watch an entire series based around these 3 but Mako and Bolin? Personally I think it's really time for the two to just exit the series. They can appear here and there as guest stars but they really don't have what it takes to be ongoing lead characters, IMHO.

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    • [shrug]┬áRuins was just a Kuvira-centric story at the end of the day. She was always going to be the main focus, and as for Korra and Asami, the former was Kuvira's main foe and is the title character of the series, and the latter lost her father to Kuvira and then had to deal with Kuvira potentially threatening her girlfriend when those two decided to work together.

      I could probably explain this better, but I'm afraid I'm very tired right now.

      And I wouldn't say the writers no longer have interest in Mako and Bolin. There was quite a bit of focus on the brothers - or at least Mako - in Turf Wars, what with their roles in conflict with Tokuga, and Mako dealing with the fact that his ex-girlfriends had ended up together. Who knows, if there is another comic trilogy, it may well focus on them.

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    • Winter77 wrote: I'm gonna be up front, I actually really like Ruins of the Empire mainly because the dynamic between Korra, Asami and Kuvira was really engaging and the arc really helped to flesh out Kuvira's character that helped change her from an overall solid antagonist to a really great character.

      My only issue with Ruins is that I really have to ask, why are Mako and Bolin still here? They weren't Bad by any means but they weren't that interesting, especially when compared to our lead ladies.

      Mako's barely a presences in the story and the same goes for Bolin. You could have removed them from the story completely and nothing would change, if anything the story would have likely been improved by their absence since the biggest issue many fans have is that the story felt rushed. And a big part of why it felt rushed is that we spend more time then we need to on two characters who really don't need to be there.

      This has been a problem with the series post, if I'm to be honest, A Leaf on the Wind. Mako and Bolin are perfectly fine characters, as one shots. Neither of them are really that complex or deep enough to continue past their first episode.

      Take Haru from The Last Airbender. He's a really likeable character who makes a few appearances post The Imprisoned but he really isn't complex enough to do much after his first appearance. This becomes even more obvious when he DOES team with Aang and the rest for a little while in Fire and barely even speaks.

      Asami is a great character who adds to Korra's character and also adds to the plot of pretty much every story she's been in, be it the TV series or the comics. Kuvira is a character who can add a LOT to the series due to her truly engaging relationship with Korra and Asami and her own impact on the world.

      Ruins really highlighted just how uninteresting Mako and Bolin are as they are often treated as a second thought throughout the story and their relationship with Kuvira is hardly ever mentioned past the first issue. Assuming it gets mentioned at all.

      Kuvira almost got Mako killed and Bolin worked for Kuvira for 3 years and was betrayed by her and both of them have almost no lines with her. Contrast this with Asami who next to Korra has the most amount of dialogue with. In the scenes where the two are not together Asami makes it clear that she REALLY hates Kuvira for the death of her father and can't even bring herself to be in the same room with her at first. And when the two are in the same room Asami spends most of her time glaring at Kuvira and makes it clear that she is doesn't trust her.

      It's very telling that when the Krew was about to be brainwashed that the person Kuvira apologizes to for failing to help isn't Bolin, her former subordinate, it's Asami, the daughter of the man she killed.

      So, why are Mako and Bolin still here if the writers are clearly no longer interested in them. They're Clearly interested in exploring Korra, Asami and Kuvira and truth be told I could watch an entire series based around these 3 but Mako and Bolin? Personally I think it's really time for the two to just exit the series. They can appear here and there as guest stars but they really don't have what it takes to be ongoing lead characters, IMHO.

      You're joking right? ROTE put everyone besides Kuvira and her incestual lover Baatar on the backburner. Is this a Kuvira burner account? Korra and Asami were literally bulldozed in this story too, particularly on Asami. Mako and Bolin can leave for all I care, but nobody's feelings actually mattered over the cu*t or unless their feelings became positive towards her. Hope to god this bi+ch stays with tf out of the comics, all she does is bring the story down and stink up the place with Mary Sueness.

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    • ImperfectClock7 wrote:

      Winter77 wrote: I'm gonna be up front, I actually really like Ruins of the Empire mainly because the dynamic between Korra, Asami and Kuvira was really engaging and the arc really helped to flesh out Kuvira's character that helped change her from an overall solid antagonist to a really great character.

      My only issue with Ruins is that I really have to ask, why are Mako and Bolin still here? They weren't Bad by any means but they weren't that interesting, especially when compared to our lead ladies.

      Mako's barely a presences in the story and the same goes for Bolin. You could have removed them from the story completely and nothing would change, if anything the story would have likely been improved by their absence since the biggest issue many fans have is that the story felt rushed. And a big part of why it felt rushed is that we spend more time then we need to on two characters who really don't need to be there.

      This has been a problem with the series post, if I'm to be honest, A Leaf on the Wind. Mako and Bolin are perfectly fine characters, as one shots. Neither of them are really that complex or deep enough to continue past their first episode.

      Take Haru from The Last Airbender. He's a really likeable character who makes a few appearances post The Imprisoned but he really isn't complex enough to do much after his first appearance. This becomes even more obvious when he DOES team with Aang and the rest for a little while in Fire and barely even speaks.

      Asami is a great character who adds to Korra's character and also adds to the plot of pretty much every story she's been in, be it the TV series or the comics. Kuvira is a character who can add a LOT to the series due to her truly engaging relationship with Korra and Asami and her own impact on the world.

      Ruins really highlighted just how uninteresting Mako and Bolin are as they are often treated as a second thought throughout the story and their relationship with Kuvira is hardly ever mentioned past the first issue. Assuming it gets mentioned at all.

      Kuvira almost got Mako killed and Bolin worked for Kuvira for 3 years and was betrayed by her and both of them have almost no lines with her. Contrast this with Asami who next to Korra has the most amount of dialogue with. In the scenes where the two are not together Asami makes it clear that she REALLY hates Kuvira for the death of her father and can't even bring herself to be in the same room with her at first. And when the two are in the same room Asami spends most of her time glaring at Kuvira and makes it clear that she is doesn't trust her.

      It's very telling that when the Krew was about to be brainwashed that the person Kuvira apologizes to for failing to help isn't Bolin, her former subordinate, it's Asami, the daughter of the man she killed.

      So, why are Mako and Bolin still here if the writers are clearly no longer interested in them. They're Clearly interested in exploring Korra, Asami and Kuvira and truth be told I could watch an entire series based around these 3 but Mako and Bolin? Personally I think it's really time for the two to just exit the series. They can appear here and there as guest stars but they really don't have what it takes to be ongoing lead characters, IMHO.

      You're joking right? ROTE put everyone besides Kuvira and her incestual lover Baatar on the backburner. Is this a Kuvira burner account? Korra and Asami were literally bulldozed in this story too, particularly on Asami. Mako and Bolin can leave for all I care, but nobody's feelings actually mattered over the cu*t or unless their feelings became positive towards her. Hope to god this bi+ch stays with tf out of the comics, all she does is bring the story down and stink up the place with Mary Sueness.

      Agreed, I hope Kuvira never shows up again in future comics, same with Tokuga from Turf Wars. I hope the next trilogy forcuses on Asami to give her some proper character development, but forget about the brainwashing, have no aftermath of that be shown. I'd rather that just be forgotten about and never brought up again.

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