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  • Hello there !

    So I just finished The Last Aibender (the TV series) for the first time, and I'm disappointed : I think Katara doesn't deserve Aang's love. Let me explain.

    They seems to be interested by each other at first sight, and it's pretty logical since they're in the same situation. The Southern Water Trive doesn't seems to have that much boys, and Aang is an exotic air bender, and pretty much the only boy available for Katara. Aang now : Katara is the first girl he meet (Southern Air Temple doesn't seems to have that much girl) and she release him when he's stuck in ice.

    In the first book, it's clear that Aang love Katara, and suggested that it's mutual : Katara hug and kiss (on the cheek) often, and she really seems to like Aang.

    But it's totally different when they see Jet for the first time : Katara suddenly fall in love with him... so she's travelling with the Avatar since, I don't know, months ? And she suddenly fall in love with a total stranger. And the worst : Aang doesn't do anything about this, despite the fact he clearly want to draw Katara's attention (at Kyoshi Island for example).

    Since this moment, Aang/Katara relationship is totally confused. Katara keep sending "love signal" to Aang (in the Cave of Two Lovers), but at other times she still doesn't appear to really be in love with Aang (in "The Fortuneteller" she want to know how his future husband will be, and she doesn't think at Aang at first time). His relation with Haru isn't really evident, and when she's trapped with Zuko for the first time, she doesn't hesitate and propose to heal his scar. So, what do we have ?


    Since the beginning Aang have loved Katara with loyalty and was even ready to lost his Avatar State for her.

    Katara now, she liked Aang at first sight but her affection have been lowered as she have discovered the world. Her loyalty about Aang doesn't mean that much since she consecrate herself to anyone she meet (Haru, Zuko, Jang Hui village,...) ; in fact, at the beginning Katara was ready to sacrifice many thing for Aang (she propose to leave his own tribe, she give up on see his father), but over time it appear that she act like this with everyone, and when Aang really need her (when he don't want to kill the Fire Lord), she just go around with Zuko.

    After the war, when Aang is the winner, loved by all nations, full of power, she suddenly kiss him without any explication. I'm really sorry for him since I think she have made him suffer much more than she loved him.

    I would be pleased to read your opinion about this subject, because it have wrecked my experience when I watched this fantastic series.

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    • too late.. they already have thier children xD

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    • They weren't dating, they just had "feelings," & it's completely normal to have "feelings" for more than 1 person. Are you suggesting that she wanted to date Haru & Zuko? Because helping someone=/=desire to shag.

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    • Actually, while Aang was immediately smitten with Katara, she only saw a boy a few years younger than herself. Her actions since were more of an older sister to younger brother. Throughout the series it was Aang attempting to gain her attention romantically and not the other way around. The only time she had a significant moment of introspection was in The Fortuneteller when suddenly realizing Aang fit the description of "powerful bender" she was told would be her future love.

      As for Jet, a boy her age/slight older, perceived as a stalwart good guy… of course she and her hormones were attracted to him. Likewise Zuko being her age made him more compatible in her eyes than a 12 year old boy who seemed more interested in having fun than his duty to stop the Firelord, at least initially.

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    • Thank you for sharing your opinion !

      Katara is acting like an older sister with Sokka ; even if she's protective about Aang too, she often act differently with him and this is what I call "love signal" : when she kisse him on the cheek or when she blushe because of Aang. I mean, with Sokka as point of comprison, we can clearly see that Katara act in other way with Aang. Oooh ! Just read some informations, and in fact I'm not sure Katara was sending "love signal" (this expression is bad, sorry) to Aang before The Fortuneteller !

      I have seen the entire series in less than a week, so the chronology was a little bit confused in my minds. After reading some information, I have realized than Katara met Jet before The Fortuneteller ! I totally understand what you're saying now. ^^

      About Zuko and Haru, I was probably a little bit confused by a wrong image of her. I'm more satisfied with this now !

      But I'm still sorry about something : Katara's relationships are a little too "easy". I mean, she fell in love with Jet, but he's a bad guy ! And when he become good, he die. There is no "real" choice made by Katara... Also, his relation with Aang is totally confused, no ? In The Cave of Two Lovers, does she want to kiss him only to find the exit, or she have real feelings ?

      Anyway, I'm glad to see other opinions about her ! I'll watch the series again one of these days, and I hope this time I'll be able to totally enjoy it ! (But I'm still sad to see that she isn't here to see his final fight !)

      So... Legend Of Korra, here I come !

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    • I believe that to get out of the cave she needed to have real feelings about him.

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    • SaitamaBro wrote: I believe that to get out of the cave she needed to have real feelings about him.

      Yeah, but Aang was mostly thinking about kissing her.

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    • Aang's love for Katara was more defined, but I don't see how that makes her less deserving or loyal. It's Katara's nature to take care of people; she wanted to hep Haru save his people, she wanted to help Zuko get past his pain and she wanted to save the people of Jang Hui. How does this make her any less loyal to Aang? Did she not stick with him through thick and thin? Did she not save his life when Azula struck him down? This show never focused heavily on romance, so it's not surprising they saved Katara's confrimation of hr feelings until the end.

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    • My problem with their relationship was always that it felt more like a one sided crush. Katara really liked Aang as a kind of little brother, like the Ember Island Players suggest, all the while Aang was oddly obsessed about her. All the confusing love signals you mention didn't really helped making it less out of place for me. It felt more like a romance for romance sake making them coming togehter at the end seem a bit empty to me. It was just not very well handled (although I didn't read any of the sequel comics yet so they might improve in those). Didn't destroyed my enjoyment of the show though. And we got Tenzin out of it and I like Tenzin.

      All the Avatar writers, in both TLA and LOK, seem to have big problems when it comes to writing romances that are the main focus. I say "main focus" because I think Sokka's relationships with Yue and Suki where actually rather well done as where Bolin and Opal's and they where more side events. It's weird.

      You now start watching LoK? Oh boy, more awkward romance for the sake of romance ahead for you D:

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    • PotatoOni wrote:
      My problem with their relationship was always that it felt more like a one sided crush. Katara really liked Aang as a kind of little brother, like the Ember Island Players suggest, all the while Aang was oddly obsessed about her. All the confusing love signals you mention didn't really helped making it less out of place for me. It felt more like a romance for romance sake making them coming togehter at the end seem a bit empty to me. It was just not very well handled (although I didn't read any of the sequel comics yet so they might improve in those). Didn't destroyed my enjoyment of the show though. And we got Tenzin out of it and I like Tenzin.

      All the Avatar writers, in both TLA and LOK, seem to have big problems when it comes to writing romances that are the main focus. I say "main focus" because I think Sokka's relationships with Yue and Suki where actually rather well done as where Bolin and Opal's and they where more side events. It's weird.

      You now start watching LoK? Oh boy, more awkward romance for the sake of romance ahead for you D:

      Yes, very true.

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    • QueenCeline wrote:
      Aang's love for Katara was more defined, but I don't see how that makes her less deserving or loyal. It's Katara's nature to take care of people; she wanted to hep Haru save his people, she wanted to help Zuko get past his pain and she wanted to save the people of Jang Hui. How does this make her any less loyal to Aang? Did she not stick with him through thick and thin? Did she not save his life when Azula struck him down? This show never focused heavily on romance, so it's not surprising they saved Katara's confrimation of hr feelings until the end.


      Yes, she is literally loyal. But their relationship is lacking of... something. I don't know what, but as PoatoOni said, it look empty. Katara seems to be the only person Aang have ever loved ; also, she's not making any choice : Jet is bad, Jet is dead, here come Aang.

      Concerning the focus of the show, I think that other couples are pretty good, so it really surprise me to see what they have done for Aang and Katara... I was annoyed at the tought of an "happy ending" with Katara suddenly explaining that she ever loved Aang, or that she wasn't able to love him because of war, etc... but when I saw the true ending and the "no explanation kiss", I was litteraly speechless. I mean, the show doesn't focus on romance, but they litteraly throwed this kiss like "Ops, we forgot about that thing".

      Actually, I don't totally agree with the fact that the show doesn't focus on romance. Mai and Zuko's romance take a big place in the story, and there is also Sokka or even Pakku and Kanna. Concerning Sokka, I was thinking at first "Poor Sokka, Aang and Katara are together and he is the lonely blunderer of the group", but in fact he's (almost ?) my favorite character since his feelings are deep and elaborated.

      So... I agree with you, Katara is loyal to Aang (even if I think she could be more supportive when he was tormented by the fact of killing someone) but this doesn't look like a strong, deep relationship in comparison with Sokka/Souki or Zuko/Mai (who betray Azula for him !), and I'm a little disapointed. ^^

      I totally agree with you PotatiOni. I was expecting opinions who would make me change my mind when I posted here, but finally I still think there is something who can seems wrong.

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    • So just reading everything written here and I would like to say something. I thought the three love stories (Zuko and Mai, Sokka and Suki, Aang and Katara) were all pretty well done. Here's why:

       

       So first of all Aang had this crush on Katara. I mean what twelve year old super adorable boy, doesn't have a crush on the really pretty girl who finds him after he's been frozen in ice. I mean Katara kind of rescued him. She was the first thing he saw after being in the Avatar State for a hundred years, after being frozen for just as long, and after having those feelings of fear that everything was changing back at home. 

       

      Remember that Aang is really receptive to affectionate actions, and Katara gives them to him freely. I almost think that Katara viewed him at first like her own little boy. I mean she acts motherly to everyone, even Zuko, but just think about it. She saves him, basically accidentally brings him/iceberg/Appa up out of the water, therefore she kind of started the whole thing, although for course not on purpose, and he's this cute little bald boy. 

      Remember she really invited him into her village. Sokka didn't like Aang, but Katara really showed him hospitality. So of course Aang would respond to that. Also remember he has just lost everybody he knew and loved. The only person surviving is Bumi and he doesn't know that he's still alive. So with Katara's sweet, welcoming ways, he would totally fall for her. 

       

      Now for Katara, what fourteen year old girl or any anyone older for that matter look at Aang as a possible suitor? No one. Not even Toph. And she's the same age. I think Katara loved him like a brother or own child. She often protected him and stood up for him. When he is accused by the fisherman, in the episode where you find out what happened to Aang and Zuko, she defends him immediately. She's very protective of him. Like a mother would be for her children. That's not to say that she underestimates him or anything because it's clear that she doesn't. 

       

      So with the whole Jet thing. He really just swept Katara of her feet. What girl wouldn't? Jet's handsome, charismatic, a freedom fighter, a leader, strong, a talented swordsman, he saved the three from the fire nation soldiers, and he's got hair. Hahaha. And Jet really did love Katara too. When he gets his memories back from brainwashing, half the scenes have Katara in them. It's clear he thought a lot about her. Also it's clear Aang admired Jet and maybe he thought that Katara and Jet would be good together, setting aside his own personal feelings. 

       

      With Haru, I think maybe he respected her and maybe did like her. She did after all save him and his father and set all those earth benders free. She was an inspiration. But when Haru asks her to stay and help him, she refuses and says she's going with Aang. As a writer, that's super foreshadowing and deep. It's kind of like he's asking her about the two of them and she's saying no. When she says she's staying with Aang, it's kind of hinting toward a future for the Kataang thing. That is excellent writing right there. I like how Haru accepts it.

       

      I was kind of put off at the end when Katara says she has to think about her and Aang but now that i think about it, it was a wise move on Katara's part. Think how she often doesn't think things through and just goes with her feelings. I know it might seem selfish but if she was like 'yeah we can totally be together and love each other' and then Aang dies fighting the Fire Lord, that would be really terrible. Maybe she was afraid of telling her feelings with such a doubtful future. Or maybe she really was confused. They are at war after all. She's been burned by Jet, and she doesn't want that to happen again. And maybe she was also afraid that Aang really did just have a crush for her and didn't love her like she wanted to be loved. 

      So what I'm trying to say is that I think Katara acted in a way that was pretty normal. She might have known that Aang had a crush on her and thought it was cute. Like Momo. But remember she was being a mother to him. He was her lost boy. She felt sorry for him. Just like she felt sorry for Zuko.

       

      Speaking of which I need to address the whole Zutara thing. Honestly, I would have totally been okay with something between them. Zuko's my favorite character. It could have made sense. They had a lot of history together. But see with their relationship it was special but not a love one. They had a lot in common. Mothers that they were both really close to and lost in horrible ways. Both injured inwardly by the war. They were both burned by fire. Katara healed herself and in Ba Sing Se when she starts to see Zuko as a hurting human instead of a fire breathing monster, she offers him healing like she did to herself when Aang accidentally burned her. When they reconcile on Ember Island, I think that Katara really saw how much Zuko wants to be friends by doing all that he did with her and Southern Raiders. He followed her to the letter and she respects how far he goes to gain her acceptance. 

       

      I think the three love stories were all really good. I loved how Aang's crush grew throughout it all and how it turned into real love for her. I really liked how it shows how much he loves her in the Guru episode. Also I loved how it shows that Aang was patient and waited for Katara. Nowadays people break up or get divorced at such petty things. If they aren't getting what they want then they leave. Aang waited and waited and he got his reward in the end. 

      With Sokka and Yue I thought it was kind of fast but sometimes that has to happen with movies. Also we don't know how long they were there before the fire nation came. I liked the Sokka and Suki thing better. I liked how Suki just totally accepts his goofiness and sometimes stupidity and loves him despite it. 

       

      With Zuko and Mai, I love how they balance each other so so well. Mai doesn't want to do anything and reacts to nothing. Zuko is so active and reacts to everything. They are such a humorously dramatic couple. But what I love most is how they both sacrifice for each other. Zuko had to sacrifice the relationship with Mai, with the possibility that he would never be reconciled to her, to do what he knew was right. Mai sacrificed her life (she didn't die but she didn't know that) and her freedom to save Zuko from Azula. Now that makes Mai sound like she sacrificed more but they both sacrificed things that were important to them and that is what is important. 

      I thought that compared to Korra the love relationships in ATL were great. In Korra it was all breaking up and getting back together and finding someone new. There was no consistently. The whole love triangle was annoying. I despise love triangles. And Bolin kept dancing around to different women. The best love story in the book was Bolin and Opal. It reminded me of Sokka and Suki. Even worse, I hated the end. It was random, ridiculous, and kind of gross. There's no beauty in a relationship like that. Probably because that's not how it was intended. But besides that the whole scene felt like the Nick higher ups were shoving ideas and sexual propaganda down our throats. I was sad it ended that way. 



        

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    • In response to OP's points:

      1) She seemed interested in him from a friendship perspective, he gave her hope being the avatar and could bring her to the North Pole. He had a crush on her from first sight. She didn't seem to get keen on him 'til later in the show, if we're being real tea. Which makes sense, anyway given that he was a goof, and that didn't change really 'til the second half of the 1st season.. His maturing cant be understated, srs.

      2) She knew that he had a crush (probably), but at the time of jet they weren't much of anything anyway. The development of their relationship beyond 'friend' happened largely after that episode, with the first bit of it on Katara's part being the fortune teller episode, which you mentioned so I'll address it.

      She didn't think of Aang because of what I stated in point 1, but don't you consider that when it dawned on her that he was a very powerful bender (an airbending prodigy, and master at the time) it odd that she aligned him with marriage? Oh, and the cave of two lovers was also after this, not before it. So that's not a mixed signal.

      To top off my 2nd point, Aang wasn't in position to do anything about it. He had no idea how to do so, which's why in the fortune teller episode he even asked sokka of all people for advice on how to act. It's ridicules to expect him to know how to act in that situation, given he had very little experience in this field. 

      3) She was prepared to leave everything behind to travel with him. Time and time again she does this, and not only that but lords over anybody who she thinks may hurt him, as his protector.

      Furthermore being loyal to aang doesn't mean ignoring anybody else, she was never going to stay with haru (she literally denied his request to do so), nor was she going to leave aang for zuko. You can run down the line, but essentially she stuck with him through it all. 

      4) There doesn't need to be an explanation, in fact that ways she acted prior were the explanation. The cave of two lovers where it was her idea to kiss, and then got offended when he tried to say he wasn't "excited about it either". She later blushed in the same episode thinking about their kiss, mind you.

      The Day of Black Sun where she lost her focus on everything after they kissed, again you can run down the line with this, they were interested in each other by the end of book 1, and that culminated in book 3. Even at the Ember Isle Players when she was confused, it was largely because she was afraid of potentially losing him, thus not wanting to give into her feelings. The pretense for her intiating the kiss was well established, I feel.

      To the above poster:

      [quote]And Jet really did love Katara too. When he gets his memories back from brainwashing, half the scenes have Katara in them. It's clear he thought a lot about her. Also it's clear Aang admired Jet and maybe he thought that Katara and Jet would be good together, setting aside his own personal feelings.[/quote]

      This is all sorts of incorrect, Aang was never okay with it at all. This's confirmed in book 2 when sokka joked about them kissing, and aang responded in disdain. As I stated I just don't think Aang knew how to respond to the situation presented, he wasn't exactly chock full of experience here. Also Jet may've loved Katara, but they were morally incompatible as we saw. That's why even when she forgave him in b2, she wasn't romantically interested in him. He became friendzoned. 



      [quote]Speaking of which I need to address the whole Zutara thing. Honestly, I would have totally been okay with something between them. Zuko's my favorite character. It could have made sense.[/quote]

      ..No it couldn't have made sense, at all actually. She was open to the prospect of Zuko potentially having good in him, expressing empathy for his situation. But up until B2 that was as far as the relation between the two went.

      She got burned for that, literally and metaphorically. I'll put aside the development between Katara and Aang in B3, for now. There was no pretext, or character development that lent itself to this idea either. 

      In Book 1 she acted like (with good reason, granted) he was literally the devil's incarnate, you woulda thought he immigrated outta Dante's Inferno. In Book 2 Zuko was a non-factor, 'til Crossroads of Destiny.

      I already gave my take on that, so lets go to book 3 for them. She didn't want Zuko in the group, and was intent on killing him if he hurt aang. Eventually they did become friends, but even reflecting on that look at the episode, Zuko was trying to help her seek vengeance. However it turned out that Zuko didn't even understand what she needed, as she realized Aang was right. That taking his life wasn't the answer. Which shows he didn't even really have a read on her. 

      For this to work so many things in B3 would have to change, so now we will go back to that point I brushed aside earlier.

      B3 brought about too much development in the relationship between Aang and Katara to for this to've actually made sense. Katara started displaying open jealousy, in the case of the dance.

      Lost her state of mind when they kissed at the day of black sun, as said before threatening to kill those who hurt him, and so on. The story would've had to be writ in a completely different fashion for the entirety of Book 3 for it too make any remote sense. Actually that includes rewriting Crossroads, as you could've never had them end together after he crosses her, as we saw to how she reacted to jet after his betrayal, which got him relegated to being nothing more then a friend. Which says something given the trance he had her under.



      Cliffs:

      OP's misguided, and you'd have to write everything differently to have Zuko and Katara work. 

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    • I agree with what you say about Jet, I forgot about Aang's reaction when Sokka suggests Katara kiss him. But with Zuko and /katara I meant that if the writers had suddenly wanted to put them together, they could have finagled it. I'm not saying I really wanted it to happen. Just saying that it could have made sense. 

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    • Incognito Pony wrote:
      I agree with what you say about Jet, I forgot about Aang's reaction when Sokka suggests Katara kiss him. But with Zuko and /katara I meant that if the writers had suddenly wanted to put them together, they could have finagled it. I'm not saying I really wanted it to happen. Just saying that it could have made sense. 

      My point in essence's that fictional worlds have to be internally consistent. That's why after the Crossroads of Destiny there was no way they could've writ it to make it work. Let me give you a few examples to demonstrate the importance of internal consistency.

      One of the most hated episodes in the series's the great divide. The reason being that Aang solved an issue by lying, when he had previously hated the idea, and later in the series disavowed solving conflict that way. The reason for the hatred's that it breaks the internal consistency of the Universe. 

      In How I Met Your Mother the ending's also hated. The creators of the show demonstrated significant character development on both Robin and Barney, yet they then did a 180 on all of that character development and reverted to his old ways (as did she). This's not internally consistent with what we grew to know about the fictional universe, and's also the reason why the ending was rejected by the audiance.

      I'll bring this back to the main point I'm making, which's how Zuko and Katara being a thing would break the internal consistency of A:TLA. We established with Jet that when somebody breaks her trust, and does what she considers morally rephrensible she hates them with every fibre of her being, and never considers them for romantic relations again.

      The later was affirmed in the B2 specifically, where she (along with aang) responded chillingly to Sokka's joke about Jet and her being in love. Along with his death in the Dai Li's headquarters, where she willingly parted ways with him, effectively leaving him to die (which she didn't do with aang). 

      With this established we'd have to break the framework of Katara's character, and thereby breaking immersion with the fictional universe for this to work post-CroD. There was no way for the creators to get their way out of this after that. 

      I'd even argue you see over the course of B1-2 that their [Aang and Katara's] relationship was foreshadowed, so you'd also have to change key moments litered across B1-2 as well. Too much has to change, for this to work. Which's why it doesn't work, and why this's satired in Ember Island Players.

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    • The verb form of "satire" is "satirize."

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    • when he had previously hated the idea, and later in the series disavowed solving conflict that way.


      When? And when?

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    • Eh, the canon ship is always very obviously implied

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