So much happened this episode. So many questions to be asked.
But I seriously don't get Zaheer's ambition, I mean not all governments are oppresive...
So much happened this episode. So many questions to be asked.
But I seriously don't get Zaheer's ambition, I mean not all governments are oppresive...
It's after midnight already. I'll grab it in the morning because that's not working either D8<
I give up. I'm going to bed and I'm going to dream about a world without regional blocks :3
@fru
vimeo should work for you...?
anyway, good night!
@djrich
basically, before the hundred year war, the OWL was a secret society who did what we saw them do in atla. but after the war, they came out of hiding and openly began serving the avatar. then some guy decided that that wasn't right, so he broke off and started the red lotus, with the goal of returning freedom to the world. the ORL's goals seem a little different from the original OWL, even though that guy intended to return to the OWL's roots.
knowing HC was coming up, the planned to release vaatu. essentially, they believe that by having an avatar at all creates imbalance: the world was balanced when raava and vaatu were fighting each other on even terms. Wan giving raava an advantage and then closing the portals messed everything up, and the four nations replacing the lion turtles was a bad thing as well.
they also wanted to kidknap korra so the red lotus could train her and indoctrinate her, and use her to free vaatu at HC. idk what they want to do with her now though.
unalaq was part of that plan, but betrayed them, and went to start his own plan of becoming a dark avatar. basically, unalaq was at the other extreme: he wanted pure chaos with vaatu, while korra and raava wanted pure order, and apparently the red lotus is in between.
did i miss anything?
@djrich and @intelligence now we know what Zaheer's plan is. Zaheer's plan was the same as unalaq's plan.
not exactly: the red lotus wanted to have freedom in the world, and not have an avatar at all, whereas unalaq wanted to become a dark avatar.
also, the ORL wants no government, while unalaq was power hungry and wanted to rule the water tribes.
The red lotus haven't specified that they wanted no avatar at all, just that they wanted the spirit portals open and the removal of all current reigning governments. Zaheer stated that, for them, disorder is balance, therefore, the change they want to inflict is viewed, by them, as balanced. Additionally, they want the avatar to bring about this change in balance and oversee it. They also want to teach the avatar. This means they do not in fact want the avatars destruction, but merely the current goals of the avatar.
Zaheer sounds like anarchism in general(think that lok happens 1920s)
@spiritbending
you're right. but they also wanted to free vaatu, so...
so that raava can fight like they used too, not that unalaq become the dark avatar
@Intelligence4, I'll need to rewatch the planning, but I can't remember them stating that they wanted vaatu free. I think that would have happened either way.
Edit: Finally got to rewatch it. Seems they did want Vaatu free. I think this was more for their own perception of balance though. The avatar is, in essence, Raava, while Vaatu remains the same, and they would be forced to fight over and over again, restoring harmony or inflicting chaos whenever one side lost.