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  • So, what if back in the early 00s instead of creating Avatar for Nick, Bryke created it for Cartoon Network. I honestly think they would be better off. For one, we all know how Cartoon Network is when it comes to getting crap past the radar. There is some very edgy stuff on CN and if ATLA/LOK was on Cartoon Network I think Bryke would have a lot more creative freedom. Also, at this point I don't think Nick cares about Korra. They barely promote it and now they say that they're gonna air 2 episodes every week? It's like they just wanna get the series over with and they just want time for more Spongebob(because we ALL need more of that annoying little Sponge).If Korra was on Cartoon Network on the other hand I don't think it would have this problem. I've been watching CN since I was little and I have always prefered it over Nick.

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    • Sadly I'm not sure Korra would fare much better on CN than on Nick. Unless its selling a ton of toys or merchandise, CN gets cancel happy, as they did with Young Justice.

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    • Yea, they would have to be convinced that it become a commercial sucess. However I think that if marketed correctly Korra could be. They could defenitly make a nice toy or action figure line. IMO Korra is one of the best animated shows on TV now, maybe even the best.

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    • I can see CN actually reshowing episodes multiple times rather than the whole "you get it once and it is over". You may even get an Avatar block with repeats of the old show and/or original series. Or they ship some of the old material over to Adult Swim to show off on Saturdays.

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    • I could see it.

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    • Assuming CN kept with it, it would be way better off. Honestly, LoK would be better off anywhere besides Nick... Nick is trash these days, and they treat good shows like LoK like crap that doesn't even matter. It really isn't fair.

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    • Cartoon Network cancelled Young Justice for Teen Titans: Go!

      I wouldn't have such faith in them. All they produce these days is what, crappy sketch shows or burn-out slapstick cartoons for stoners? Nick went down the tubes hard. I haven't watched it in years. CN is better, but not by much. I think the writers knew the majority of people tuning in to watch LoK would be pre-existing fans, so getting new people to watch just wasn't a priority.

      When you love a show all you can hope is that it ends organically. You don't want it to drag on because the writers get greedy and butcher it and you don't want it to get cut-off due to cancellation. It's ending the best possible way it could. I'm comfortable with the finality of that.

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    • CN cancelled at least four shows because their audience was mainly female and not boys.


      What makes you think they'd treat Korra with anymore dignity?

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    • They did return Adult Swim, which was quite surprising. It also depends on how CN could work LoK or ATLA into a suitable block of programming. I don't really see it being paired up with some shows (Regular Show, Clarence). 

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    • If Korra was on Cartoon Network, I feel like they could go darker.

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    • Maybe? The might depend on the writers, but I would think CN would give them more free reign to write whatever story. I couldn't see anything above TV-PG though. 

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    • Tailfox wrote:
      Assuming CN kept with it, it would be way better off. Honestly, LoK would be better off anywhere besides Nick... Nick is trash these days, and they treat good shows like LoK like crap that doesn't even matter. It really isn't fair.

      They really just ride off of TLA's wave sometimes. It's totally understandable but sometimes idk. That being said, I really don't think they treat it too terribly. Anyway, CN would definitley give them free range for much more. More depth, more juicy content free imagination you name it. Trust me when I say this lol. Anyway, have you seen Adventure Time? That show for all intents and purposes wpuld have FLOPPED on Nick or Disney (and for all intents and purposes should have on CN). CN gives the the grounds to develop the story, depth as much as they can within explicit grounds though of course. It is one of their top franchises, and within a short while too. It's easily one of the deepest programs on CN, yet it's animated about as well as a mix between the regular show and spongebob. It's the development that they are given range to perform.

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    • Actually, if Korra was on Cartoon Network, it would not be the same ever again.

      That's mostly because Cartoon Network would never ever let there be a show to draw in a female audience because girls don't be toys.

      Even Nick was on the "We don't want girls to watch our shows" bandwagon which lead to Korra's production to be on hiatus.

      So if Korra was on Cartoon Network, it would be canceled quickly (or in this AR, shut down) than it would be on Nick.

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    • I don't know exactly how it would do on CN compared to Nick, but what I do know is, both channels have gone way down hill since the good ole days.

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    • I have one thing to say about every kid television chanel company 


      ( clears throat, inhales) WAAAAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • AvatarKatar wrote:
      Actually, if Korra was on Cartoon Network, it would not be the same ever again.

      That's mostly because Cartoon Network would never ever let there be a show to draw in a female audience because girls don't be toys.

      Even Nick was on the "We don't want girls to watch our shows" bandwagon which lead to Korra's production to be on hiatus.

      So if Korra was on Cartoon Network, it would be canceled quickly (or in this AR, shut down) than it would be on Nick.

      Some of that link looks like offhand remarks than any real finger pointing or leaks. How much, in revenue, of a show like Adventure Time is generated on action figures compared to the number of other things like t-shirts? Then again, how many executives are baised? Majority or a minority?

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    • I was just thinking about Adventure Time. That has to be very marketable to both boys & girls. Probably the same for some of their other shows. I could see Korra being at home there.

      Could there be a difference in that the protagonist is female? Perhaps, but assuming that Cartoon Network would let them get their foot in the door as Nickelodeon did, I can't see it being any worse than what Nick gave us.

      Adventure Time, Regular Show, those are on their 6th seasons by now.

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    • CN doesn't like shows for the more mature audiences, like LOK. Young Justice was an amazing show, but since it didn't appeal with kids (read: People who buy toys), they scrapped it for shows which are honestly much less story but more flashy entertainment. Young Justice was one of their only shows with stories, which was scrapped for Teen Titans Go (read: A show no story whatsoever)

      I read this article online. I quote Paul Dini who creatively runs DCAU 

      “…there’s been a, a sudden trend in animation, with super-heroes. Like, ‘it’s too old. It’s too old for our audience, and it has to be younger. It has to be funnier.’ …the audience we wanna go after, is not the Young Justice audience any more. We wanna go after little kids, who are into—boys who are into goofy humor, goofy random humor, like on Adventure Time or Regular Show. We wanna do that goofy, that sense of humor, that’s where we’re going for.

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    • Ah, but that article goes on to say:

      And this is bizarre for a litany of reasons.


      Yes, kids watch Adventure Time and Regular Show, but Cartoon Network in particular has to be aware that those shows have adult fanbases that likely dwarf the kid ones. Regular Show in particular is essentially a huge dose of ’80s and ’90s nostalgia. The first episode rips on hair metal bands and reunion tours. Basically when the kid audience for that show hits college, social media will light up with “How the hell was I allowed to watch this as a kid?”


      Similarly, a lot of these shows aren’t exactly lighthearted romps. Adventure Time in particular can really bring the pain. I wonder how parents explain the Ice King’s dementia and psychosis to their kids; those must be fun conversations.

      People keep bringing out Young Justice, but guys, that's 1 show, I'm not so sure that established a pattern. Adventure Time also has a storyline. Regular Show also has a story line. Steven Universe also has a storyline. They're not the typical overarching action/adventure drama that you might think of, but they're still there, & sometimes they can involve some pretty serious stuff.

      Regular Show is also pretty much unashamedly written with the college demographic in mind, & Cartoon Network explicitly splits up its programming block into age tiers, with all of the shows that I just mentioned being rated PG, not Y7.*

      I'm not calling Mr. Dini a liar, but I'm not sure that's really the whole story.

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    • I brought out the Young Justice example as it is a show similar to LOK comparatively. Both focus heavily on story and are "typical overarching action/adventure drama".  

      What I'm trying to say is, CN focus is on shows that sell toys, TLA only sold toys in its first season (and also had very poor sales). And guess what, TLA was one of the most lauded shows of the past decade. With CN, we wouldn't have even finished TLA much less talk about LOK. .

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    • I'm not so convinced. I know toy sales are ridiculous for Adventure Time, but I'm not so sure about Regular Show. At any rate, I know that those shows are also very critically well received, & I think Cartoon Network pays more attention to that than Nickelodeon did with Avatar.

      Perhaps they do want to tone down the seriousness, have more comedy, & so on, but that seems to be only PART of what they want, or why have this "aged up" block?

      The series is rated TV-PG-V.[citation needed] Cartoon Network told Quintel early on that they wanted to "age it up from the TV-Y7 stuff we'd been doing in the past". This direction led the crew to use adult oriented humor with innuendos and drug and alcohol references because they wanted to cater for both the younger and adult audiences. The writers generally make these jokes subtle. The show also makes use of sub-textual adult humor through music. One of the program's storyboard artist, Calvin Wong, said that he enjoys the limitations set by writing for the show since the adult oriented jokes that are approved are satisfying.[9]

      Cartoon Network said it themselves, "we want 'aged up' programming." If they also want humor, Korra & Avatar has that in spades.

      This is all speculation, of course, especially since I haven't seen Young Justice, but I say again, "I don't see how it definitely would have been worse than Nickelodeon."

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    • Moon's Haze wrote:
      CN doesn't like shows for the more mature audiences, like LOK. Young Justice was an amazing show, but since it didn't appeal with kids (read: People who buy toys), they scrapped it for shows which are honestly much less story but more flashy entertainment. Young Justice was one of their only shows with stories, which was scrapped for Teen Titans Go (read: A show no story whatsoever)

      I read this article online. I quote Paul Dini who creatively runs DCAU 

      “…there’s been a, a sudden trend in animation, with super-heroes. Like, ‘it’s too old. It’s too old for our audience, and it has to be younger. It has to be funnier.’ …the audience we wanna go after, is not the Young Justice audience any more. We wanna go after little kids, who are into—boys who are into goofy humor, goofy random humor, like on Adventure Time or Regular Show. We wanna do that goofy, that sense of humor, that’s where we’re going for.

      Adult Swim would beg to differ on the idea of a more mature audience. Well, maybe mature isn't the right word sometimes with shows like Superjail! but there does seem to be a resurgence of some markets with shows like Attack on Titan.

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    • I think you guys aren't giving Adventure Time enough credit for not being a shallow kids show lol.

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    • It is quite a creative show, I'll give you that. Not too many shows have a walking nuclear weapon in the form of the lich running around. 

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    • Cartoon network and nick need good show ideas and better animation fast.

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    • GRiND wrote: I think you guys aren't giving Adventure Time enough credit for not being a shallow kids show lol.

      I'm not super fond of Adventure Time, it's not my favorite show ever, & I originally hated it, but I have been trying to allude to this. As much as people say that there are no good cartoons right now besides Korra & reruns of older shows, there are, they're just not really the same kind of show.

      I would have to say that I do think that Cartoon Network would have been the best place for a show like Korra. If not on the regular block, they did bring back & retool Toonami.

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    • Totaldramavictorious wrote:
      they just want time for more Spongebob(because we ALL need more of that annoying little Sponge).

      This cracked me up ! ahah

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    • The CN cancels all good shows. Young Justice being one of them. Korra would not have passed the first season.

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    • In all honesty, I don't think CN would have originally accepted the pitch of ATLA. Sure, the animation is amazing, the plot is amazing, but that already sets itself apart from every other cartoon experience out there in it's time of being released. It is such a different atmosphere than the normal cartoon blocks nowadays. It was a leap for Nick to do it, but thank goodness they had. I think CN would've accepted Korra in a heartbeat seeing how successful ATLA was, and I do agree, it could go much darker then. But I don't think it's eady to remove the suction cups from one network to the next.

      In a way I think Korra already pulled off a lot. Talk of assassination, murder/suicide, upped violence.. Even ATLA pulled off a lot. Genocide of a peaceful culture and attempted hunting down, capture, torture and/or murder of children? Yeeeh. It was already pretty dark if you read between the lines. It was just subtle to pass the kiddie censors, but we all knew what was going down. xD

      I don't neccessarily think making the show more violent or darker would up the ratings. If anything it would be too scary for younger viewers and turn them off to it. one thing I like about the Avatar franchise is that kids and teens growing up watching Aang's adventures can now watch Korra with their kids, and both are entertained. There's this nice balance of creepy to cool and drama to humor.


      What would've been really groovy would be if Mike and Bryan were just able to fund the whole idea themselves with magic infinate fundage and do this huge independent thing, feature films included. No limits of any kind, other than the limits of the rating systems in which they choose to market the shows as. That'd be awesome. 8D

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    • What would've been really groovy would be if Mike and Bryan were just able to fund the whole idea themselves with magic infinate fundage and do this huge independent thing, feature films included. No limits of any kind, other than the limits of the rating systems in which they choose to market the shows as. That'd be awesome. 8D


      Agreed!!!!

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    • Ha. If Cartoon Network had the rights, we'd be starved of Korra episodes. They would be a 6 month hiatus every 4 episodes.

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    • What makes you say that?

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    • Or it could just be a full blown anime. Then we'd all get what we truly want. lol

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    • ShortswitsoxZ wrote: What makes you say that?

      Because Cartoon Network had a tendency of randomly putting Young Justice on 6-8 months hiatuses.

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    • Yes , it will be nice. Ben 10: Alien force and Ultimate Alien were action and adventure series , they also have drama, and I like them as much I like Lok and Tla.

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    • GRiND wrote:
      Or it could just be a full blown anime. Then we'd all get what we truly want. lol

      It's a good idea. Why not just let a foreign company do their own take on the series? It doesn't even have to be canon, just enjoyable.

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      GRiND wrote:
      Or it could just be a full blown anime. Then we'd all get what we truly want. lol
      It's a good idea. Why not just let a foreign company do their own take on the series? It doesn't even have to be canon, just enjoyable.

      Yerp. Gainax anyone? lol Prepare for orgasmic explosions, sky tearing combatitives, blood burning events and unrivaled animation styles. And probably a lot more sexiness. But seriously. I can think of several studios who would TEAR THIS UP. Gainax just happened to have been the most recent one I've watched and the producer of what was and probably still is my most favorite animated series to date.

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    • Gainax has a edge up on some style but I think that it would deviate from what made Avatar great: the substance. At least, the Gainax of today. You could even look to Gonzo, who has several of the older Gainax members. Even Sunrise could work, but you'd have to determine which of the dozen studios they have to work it.

      Why not have someone from Studio Mir do it? It would keep the same visual style, or something along the same lines. Even a co-production of two studios would be interesting.

      Maybe it would just come down to finding a great writer and a great director to do it?

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    • Kubernes wrote:
      'Gainax has a edge up on some style but I think that it would deviate from what made Avatar great: the substance. At least, the Gainax of today. You could even look to Gonzo, who has several of the older Gainax members. Even Sunrise could work, but you'd have to determine which of the dozen studios they have to work it.'Why not have someone from Studio Mir do it? It would keep the same visual style, or something along the same lines. Even a co-production of two studios would be interesting.

      Maybe it would just come down to finding a great writer and a great director to do it?

      Either one. Plus I know they can "not deviate" as well. Though plenty of Gainax prodcuts have plenty of substance and some much more the the Avatar franchise. If you mentioned substance actually not in a fear of them lacking it, but for concern of it being CHANGED then I still see your concern but like I said above, I think they could stick to it.


      But of course.

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    • AvatarReiko wrote:

      ShortswitsoxZ wrote: What makes you say that?

      Because Cartoon Network had a tendency of randomly putting Young Justice on 6-8 months hiatuses.

      Oh.

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    • GRiND wrote:
      Kubernes wrote:
      'Gainax has a edge up on some style but I think that it would deviate from what made Avatar great: the substance. At least, the Gainax of today. You could even look to Gonzo, who has several of the older Gainax members. Even Sunrise could work, but you'd have to determine which of the dozen studios they have to work it.'Why not have someone from Studio Mir do it? It would keep the same visual style, or something along the same lines. Even a co-production of two studios would be interesting.

      Maybe it would just come down to finding a great writer and a great director to do it?

      Either one. Plus I know they can "not deviate" as well. Though plenty of Gainax prodcuts have plenty of substance and some much more the the Avatar franchise. If you mentioned substance actually not in a fear of them lacking it, but for concern of it being CHANGED then I still see your concern but like I said above, I think they could stick to it.


      But of course.

      That's why I think it would come down to the director, writer, and probably the lead character designer. If you can get a solid one for each, it could be amazing.

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    • It is a very similar situation when Samurai Jack was broadcast on Adult Swim when being promoted the fifth and final season respectively.

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