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Spirits will be referred to using the gender neutral they/them pronoun, unless they have had a canonically confirmed gender, in which case they will be referred to as that gender.
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I am of the belief that we shouldn't be marking a spirit's gender solely based on their voice actor's, and want to call into question the previous agreement that we should do so. The wiki is fundamentally against speculation, and we even had to wait for a source about the council page's gender. Just because there is precedent of human characters matching the gender of their voice actor doesn't necessarily mean the same is true for spirit characters. I don't think it's fair to assume something based on a precedent when we could alternatively choose to not assume something about a character' gender in the first place.

This also assumes that the spirits all have some kind of gender, when it's entirely possible that they do not, and thus it would be very hard to get a voice actor who also did not have some kind of gender. And even if it does not happen in Avatar or Korra, there is still a large practice of having women voice young men in animation, and occasionally having men voice women, so I think that is also a fair basis to make for not basing a character's gender entirely on their voice actor. I propose we simply remove the gender of spirits who have not been referred to with pronouns throughout the series and use a neutral "they" pronoun to refer to them if necessary. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 16:40, September 27, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the above proposal to change spirits' gender to neutral (they/them) unless it has been confirmed in the show. Another point is that gender is a human construct, and it's entirely possible that spirits either do not, or refuse to, adhere to that same belief. The point is that we don't know for sure, and we don't, as was mentioned, include speculation on this wiki. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 20:25, September 27, 2018 (UTC)
I see no reason against this. Beyond those that are confirmed in some manner, it is speculative to assume that the gender of the spirit matches that of their voice actor or that they have any gender at all. Since we know that some spirits do have genders, I think the use of "they" is the best choice. HAMMEROFTHOR 20:30, September 27, 2018 (UTC)
I suppose it makes sense to do this. We really have no idea if all spirits have genders, so this could be the best way to go about this. Sure, one could argue that assuming spirits don't have gender could be speculation as well (and that would be valid as well because as stated before: we don't know). However, I feel this is a more neutral point because as FF said, there have been cases when women voice men and vice versa in animated shows, so we can't really be sure of their genders if we go by the voice actor or actress.
As such, this is probably the safest way to go, and I'm for it, but I can't imagine the workload this will bring upon us hehe. We should probably add this to the MoS while we're at it if this consensus go through (which I think it will). Sorry if this response is a bit rambling, but it's pretty late and I'm pretty tired. I can elaborate further if necessary. Tono555 Korra-chao2 05:57, September 28, 2018 (UTC)