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No changes will be made to the current procedures at this time, however the Yue article infobox will be changed to fix that issue |
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Spirit-mortal transcendence page mentions several cases of mortals becoming spirits upon death (or sort of): the Kemurikage, the Painted Lady, and Yue use spirit infoboxes in the respective articles. However, other spirits like Fang and Iroh use Fire Nation infoboxes, despite being listed in the article, the Spirits category, having ying and yang symbol in the article etc. And no, there isn't a point in Iroh being an important character in ATLA: Sokka and Aang articles are written in the Past Tense due to being deceased in the lastest knowing point. Also, we got more of Yue as a mortal human that of Fang as a mortal dragon. So yeah, I offer:
- Change Iroh's and Fang's infoboxes to spirit ones.
- Possibly create an article for Mortals turned humans because why not. We do have Category:Former benders, I mean. FelElia (wall • contribs) 14:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I support this change. 90 degree aangle
18:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't support this change. The infobox colours are a reflection of them being firebenders and which occurred prior to them becoming spirits (unlike Yue, for example, whose bending abilities come from her being a spirit). This is also why former Avatars retain the infobox colouring they have prior to their death. I don't see any reason to change this just because they are now spirits.
- For your second point about "creat[ing] an article for Mortals turned humans", I do not understand what you mean. I should add as well that regardless, "because why not" is not an argument. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 18:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I doubt they stayed with the bending abilities after becoming spirits (no canonical confirmation and it seems like they didn't), but even so they are spirits now, not firebenders. And Yue's, Tui's & La's case shows that even for individuals who are both benders and spirits spirit part is more important by canon policy. So if a waterbender spirit is a spirit in their infobox, why should a former firebender-turned-spirit be a firebender? I would also
- And yes, people can change their roles and so infoboxes, so the one can go form a firebender with a red infobox to a grey one. Like Yue going from Water Tribe individual to a spirit one, or Anada & Ema being adopted into Air Nomads, or joining Air Acolyts like Xing Ying, Loban etc. did. They simply changed their affiliation, and Iroh and Fang literally left their body behind. I remind that the one needs material body to perform bending.
- The one can argue that Lightning Bolt Zolt, Yakone and Shady Shin didn't switch to United Republic brown infobox after losing bending but I think we can go with same reason why Yue, Tui & La are spirits above being benders: being a spirit is treated as more important trait. Different cases.
- Ok, "because why not" was more a joke on my side. Actually, I support futher categorising of the wiki and I think that if we've got more that two articles which subjects share not-too-general traits (like "Green-eyed individuals", though it would be OK) we can create a page about it. Mortals becoming spirits, in my opinion, is as interesting trait as being a former bender or LGBT+ individual. Also, if you are going to say that we have a page dedicated top them, we have lists of, let's energybenders in Energybending article in spite of having Category:Energybenders for them.
- I thing it's obvious which articles would be going to be in this potential category: Fang, Iroh, Kemurikage, Painted Lady, and Yue. Radish lotus spirit used to be a monkey, according to Transcript:A New Spiritual Age (commentary) but it could be a joke. Also there's a speculation if Tokuga (and maybe Yao) and Yun are to be listed. I don't think so, in fact. FelElia (wall • contribs) 20:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
But, I still don't understand this - normally character (even animal) infoboxes normally have color of the nation they originally belong (and at times, their bending, if they belong to another nation, but have their original nation's bending). Take for example, the sky bison, prior to the Air Nomad Genocide, were only found in the Air Nomad territory. But later, new species of sky bison was found in the Fire Nation, under the Bhanti's ownership. Since, they were originally from the Air Nomadic territory, the infobox is of the Air Nomadic theme. So, why would Yue's infobox be of the spirit theme, considering the fact that, whether or not she was a waterbender before her death, she hailed from the Water Tribe, so it must be of the Water Tribe theme. I think rather than changing Iroh and Fang's infobox theme to the spirit one, why can't we change Yue's infobox theme to the Water Tribe one.
Oh, it also makes me think that, as I mentioned before, the infobox theme depends on the character's original nation or location. Spririts that live their entire lives in the Spirit World have the spirit theme. But Iroh, Fang and Yue were born in the material world and, then, transcended to the Spirit World. So, it makes all the more sense for Yue's infobox theme to be that of the Water Tribe, whille letting the infobox theme of Iroh and Fang remain the same. So, I don't support the proposal, but I suggest the infobox theme chnage for Yue.
Yohan Mavely talk
19:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, the Kemurikage anmd the Painted Lady should become Fire infoboxers too (like Chou family or Toz).
- However, as I mentioned before, why does a Fire National Loban have Air infobox? Because he is an Acolyte. Not to mention that a person can be granted with bending and bending is the main source of the one's infobox color (see Kori Morishita, Kirima, Xu Ping An, Kuon etc.) unless the one is a spirit, like Yue. There is a rule wiki goes with now, not me. I am just pointing that according to this logic Iroh & Fang should be spirits in their infoboxes.
- And about the Flying bisons: they are species, not individuals. Also they all are airbenders, so that's why they use Air infobox. For instance, the Fire ferrets are animals from the central Earth Kingdom so Fauna infobox uses green color. However, Pabu himself uses brown character one as he is from United Republic. For the same reasons why United Republic non-bending citizens use it despite having certain ethnicities. Sato family members like Hiroshi Sato and Asami Sato are of Fire Nation descent but are United Republic individuals. FelElia (wall • contribs) 10:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Using the opportunity, I would like to revive an old idea which I first proposed before LoK's first season was published: Mixed-color infoboxes. For example, the dark areas in the inboxes (such as the name background) would reflect the nationality / origin of a character, while the lightly colored areas could reflect the bending or extra stuff such as the spirit issue discussed above. This would allow for far more comprehensive and flexible representation in the infoboxes. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 18:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Just for the sake of the OP here, I would like to clarify the confusion: The color of the infobox goes first to the element they bend if they're a bender, THEN if they are NOT a bender it is their Nation. For example, Asami Sato and Bolin are both equally from Republic City, but Bolin's color is Green for his bending, and Asami, a non-bender, is the gold for URN for the place she is from. I do NOT support the change, because this is working as intended. I am indifferent on DFT's suggestion above, because on the one hand I do like the idea of being more specific with the infobox colors, but on the other hand I don't think it's wise to add more elements to things that are already an area of confusion for new people. Zacatero • (Wall) • 
01:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds too complicated both to implement and to read. Infoboxes need to make it immediately obvious where someone is from and I dare say, the simpler the better. I say using the infobox to represent where they come from is good enough. Duke of Skibbington Fanon - Wall