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As many of you know, a new mobile game called Avatar: Realms Collide will be released in the foreseeable future. The game has been confirmed to be non-canon, so its storyline will not be related to the "main" Avatar universe. However, the question arises on how to treat art of characters of the "main continuity" who appear in the game. Case in point, the developers have already released art of Father Glowworm as part of the game promotion. Should we treat this art as canonical (as it was seemingly developed in consulation with Avatar Studios) or as non-canon due to the game being non-canon? DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 20:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the artwork would be find to add in any section(s) covering the non-canon information, but not in the wider article. So for example the artwork of Father Glowworm would not be added as a profile image, but could be added to a section detailing his history in the game. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
I think instead of treating it as completely non-canon, we should perhaps develop a hierarchy similar to that of the one currently in play for continuity. This would consist of the images being ranked in order of their associating media. At the top would be images directly from ATLA and TLOK, then other canon media such as the novels, comics, art books, and RPG game. Then canonical video games can follow, the last tier of the hierarchy being non canon content published in association with series' creators. In the example mentioned, Father Glowworm previously did not an image representation at all, therefore, the depiction of Father Glowworm from Avatar: Realms Collide would be at the highest ranking. However if any content comes out from sources higher up in the hierarchy showing a different depiction of the character, those images will take precedence over the lower tiers. This system can be documented in the policy page for continuity. This is just a very rough idea I had, but I believe it can be of use. aeriux 00:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
That's a great idea, and could help with any future issues regarding images. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 10:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I am hesitant on supporting that, as I feel like it is starting to blur the line between what is and is not canon and the different continuities in a way that we should not be doing. The continuity policy is about addressing contradictions between different sources and providing a more objective way to judge what the wiki should accept as "truth", but what it doesn't do is create a hierarchy across the different continuities. The different continuities are treated separately and there is no overlap between them (i.e. information from one is not assumed for the other). Aang in the animated series is different from Aang in the film is different from Aang in the Netflix series. So for the same reason that we wouldn't use an image of a character from the Netflix series as a profile image for their counterpart animated series article, I don't think we should be doing so here with the game. The game has been stated by the creators as non-canon, that means it is not part of the main continuity, and we should not abandon that in our desire to have a profile image. That tradeoff to me is not consistent with the general policies of the wiki. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 11:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I do understand how it seems as if the how the canon and non canon are being blurred together, but the artwork from these games are created with consultation and judgment from Avatar Studios, and thus the creative team of the franchise itself. Even if the information and storylines are non canon, I think designs and portrayals of characters shouldn't be rendered completely irrelevant. Instead treating it at a lower level perhaps, but not disregarding it, sounds better in my opinion. And the different continuities only have the level of inapplicability they have due to them being adaptations, and thus a different namespace in itself. There has also been many characters from the TTRPG rumored to make an appearance in the game, already beginning with the trailers. With these characters who previously lacked visual depictions, these images can be used to at least depict some form of these characters. And as stated previously, Avatar Studios was consulted in the games creation, and as such these representations have a high likelihood to be accurate. However, I do see the inconsistencies and how this could potentially be conflicting in association to other policies. aeriux 19:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The images may have been created with input from Avatar Studios, but the game is still considered part of a different continuity. The wiki has always applied a very strict separation of different continuities, which applies beyond just those pages being in different namespaces. There is no crossover in the information that comes from the separate continuities, we do not assume anything that applies in one also applies in another. Your proposal suggests to fundamentally change that assumption, which I do not consider to be a good precedent to set. The articles can live without profile images, so I see no reason to make such a significant change to the current policy just to fix what is not actually a problem.

And the images are not rendered irrelevant, they can still be included on the article just within a separate section covering the continuity of the game (or their own article where and if appropriate).HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Thor for the reasons stated above and that including the images in the other ways he expressed is a fair compromise. Squala 22:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)