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Unidentified Bearded Airbender

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Delete — This page shouldn't exist. We don't know this character's name or anything about their lore. There are characters we have pictures of and names for who we don't have articles for, there is no point to this page existing and anything on it is covered by the Opening Sequence article. Fire Ferret 21:41, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Delete — Anything listed on this page is purely logical. As such, it does not warrant a page Tono555 21:44, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Keep — We know he was important enough to be featured in the opening sequence instead of any of the other, named airbenders we know of. He had a beard, as well. He also mastered a whirlwind move, and none of this was mentioned on the Opening Sequence article. --Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur ^{(Wanna Discuss Something?)} 21:46, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Delete — There is not enough content to warrant this page. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 21:58, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Delete — Literally every bit of relevant information available can be reduced to a trivia sentence in related articles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:08, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed Fire Avatar

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Delete — This character isn't named and hasn't played any role at all in the show, all we know about him is he had the ability to lavabend which does not warrant a page at all. Any notes about his lavabending ability can already be surmised on the Avatar page, and if we keep this page up we might as well make pages for all of the other stock Avatar designs. If his lore gets brought up in the comics the page can be recreated but I don't think this page is relevant. Fire Ferret 18:37, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Keep — I am not dead-set on keeping it, but I do want to point out that this particular character was also, supposedly, present in The Rift (the last paragraph in the section on Aang's life). Given that it provides some insight into the Avatar's prior lives, and specifically their connection to them, I am happy to keep this page. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 18:43, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Yes he does appear, but for a ">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27</a>">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27</a></a> single panel along with the same Earth Kingdom Avatar before him who we've seen in statues in Avatar temples and in other Avatar line-ups but who doesn't have a page here. the only reason we have the article about him is because he showed up and lavabended once, if more information becomes available we can create a page about him then, but the page isn't really serving a purpose on the wiki. Fire

Ferret 18:49, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, the current wording on his page makes him seem much more important than the panel reveals, then. As said, I'm not dead-set on keeping the page xD Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 18:54, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Keep — Due to those few seconds this Avatar "showed up in," he became more important than any other stock design of the other Avatars because he was revealed to be the first known person to lavabend. Another thing to note is that this particular Avatar disrupted the cycle of "male" "female" "male" "female" judging by his facial features. All in all, these reasons may be too trivial for most, but these are my thoughts on the matter. Also, while we're on the topic of this Avatar specifically, if the article does survive this discussion, perhaps it should be renamed to Unnamed firebending Avatar or Unnamed Fire Nation Avatar or something similar. --Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur ^{(Wanna Discuss Something?)} 03:00, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Keep — I think this page has been here long enough (dating back to 2007) and has enough information on it for him to have a page. We have shorter pages around here, so I'll stick with keep. Tono555 03:40, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

I disagree that precedent or the existence of shorter articles makes the page necessary, (also I'm confused about the supposed gender pattern because Aang and Roku are of the same gender) but I do agree that the page should be renamed; I strongly dislike having the word "unnamed" in a character's title, perhaps simply Fire Nation Avatar would work. Fire

Ferret 04:17, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

I don't feel strong either way about keeping or deleting, but if a rename is the way to go, I suggest forgoing having the word Avatar in the title, and simply go with the more specific "Yangchen's predecessor". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:27, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Lol I did not explain that correctly. I meant that every four Avatars from each of the four nations, their genders are supposedly swapped. From what we know currently, it would seem this particular Avatar was the only one who disrupted that cycle. However, as I take a look at the image again, I realize that the discussion I took this from was likely misguided, as it was Avatar Roku who disrupted the cycle. --Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur ^{(Wanna Discuss Something?)} 16:23, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Keep — I think this page has enough content to warrant being kept. He was admittedly never explored in much detail, but the regularity of his appearances in the Avatar lineup leans me towards keeping over deleting the article. I would also like to add that if the article is kept, any name change would have to go through the War Room so I would suggest keeping the discussion here focused on whether the article should be deleted, and discuss a name change later on. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 10:44, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

If appearing regularly was a compelling reason to keep it, feathered hat man's article would still be around. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:57, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

It is well established that the deletion of each article is considered separately and not based on what was or wasn't deleted before. But to clarify my point, the Fire Avatar has appeared a number of times and there is enough content based on these appearances to, in my mind, justify keeping the page. My vote to keep is based on the quantity of content and not the number of appearances. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 18:25, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Delete — I don't feel particularly strongly about this, but FF brought up some valid points that as far as I can tell have not been refuted in any of the following replies. We've also seen the bearded Earth Kingdom Avatar before him multiple times, but we deleted his article because we had next to zero info on him. The fact that it's been on the wiki for so long is essentially just saying its fine because it's gotten away with being there without anyone bringing it up, which is a bad precedent for the wiki. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 02:01, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

This thread's brought up a few good points. --Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur ^{(Wanna Discuss Something?)} 03:26, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

They chose to keep his article because he's the only person ever seen bending lava but now we know that's a skill that any skilled/trained earthbender could do, so the entire concept of it as having a prominent role on the narrative of the series or the structure of the universe no longer is relevant. He has no pertinent roles, abilities, or effect on the narrative. Fire

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Giant wolf

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Delete — While this article may have once been necessary, as we knew little of the spirit world, with Korra and the comics further fleshing it out, I think it is pointless to have an article about a spirit which one can glimpse in about a second of a single episode. We don't have articles for other spirits that appear but have no lines, like the many spirits visible in The Legend of Korra, and we lack articles for spirits who play a role in the plot like the spirit that attacks Korra in the first episode of Book 2. I think it is odd to have an exception for this particular character. The one noteworthy thing about it, that the Wolf spirit spirit may have been based on its design, can easily be put on the Wolf spirit's page. Fire Ferret 01:21, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Delete — I agree. This spirit didn't do anything particularly relevant other than walk in the background. Tono555 02:02, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Romance

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Delete — This article should be deleted because it does not add any utility to the wiki. Its sole use prior to my recent edit was to list relationships of characters, which we have a category page that offers the same information. Ziryerx (wall • contribs) 01:21, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Delete — Per Ziryerx. Lady Lostris / SOAP 12:42, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

22nd Earth King

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NOTE: This deletion is named for the 22nd Earth King article, but it also includes 40th Earth King since the arguments for both are the same.

Delete — My reasoning for why both these articles should be deleted is very simple; they are too short in length and there is not enough information to warrant separate articles. All relevant information can be included on the Earth monarch page, as it was previously. I do not see why separate articles are required. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 15:51, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

Delete — per HoT. Lady Lostris / SOAP 00:37, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Ryong

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Merge — This article is currently very short, and from what I remember of the book there is not much more that could be added to expand it. I would like to suggest, therefore, that we create an Earth Kingdom sages article and merge Ryong with the other sages that have short articles: Buro, Neliao, Pan, and Saiyuk. The article would then include information on each individual and also general information on the EK sages. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 19:41, January 1, 2020 (UTC)

Merge — per HoT. Lady Lostris / SOAP 00:39, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Super Brawl

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Merge — I suggest to merge the different "Super Brawl" games (i.e. Super Brawl, Super Brawl 2, Super Brawl 3, Super Brawl World, Super Brawl Summer, and Super Fall Brawl) into one page named "Super Brawl games" since they all more or less have the same gameplay anyway and the Avatar aspect of these games seems rather limited. Lady Lostris / SOAP 14:48, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

Merge — Agreed. There seems to be minimal differences between each game, so combining them makes a lot of sense. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 22:42, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

Fade-Red Devils

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Delete — My reasoning for proposing the deletion of this page is very simply that I feel it is too short. All relevant information on the group has been added, and thus there is no real scope for expanding it any more to a reasonable length. Most of the information that is contained in the article could be added to either the Fifth Nation or Tagaka articles as appropriate. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 12:46, July 6, 2019 (UTC)

Keep — As the author of the article, I still disagree. While the article is undoubtedly short, it is of sufficient length and remains useful. Sure, the information could probably be found in other articles, but at the same time I do not think that the article is so short that its existence is completely unwarranted; otherwise I would not have written it ;-). DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:44, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

Avatar: The Four Elements

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Delete — I don't think fan sites that aren't active should have their own separate article, especially if it has so little information. It can simply be added to Avatar Wiki:Affiliates. Dcasawang1 • wall 02:56, March 13, 2020 (UTC)

Merge — Per Dc~, can be merged with Affiliates. Lady Lostris / SOAP 10:26, March 13, 2020 (UTC)

Kukick

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Merge — The only reason why Kukick has a separate page is due to his name being know and having an image available. I propose merging this page with the more general trebuchet operators'page, which already holds all his relevant history. Lady Lostris / SOAP 03:26, March 8, 2020 (UTC)

Merge — I agree. The page has no additional useful information in comparision to "Trebuchet operators" other than this character's name. Dcasawang1 • wall 02:51, March 13, 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Zhulu Pass

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I am creating this VfD to initiate the discussion on whether this article should be deleted. I don't have a view on delete/keep yet until I have looked at expanding the article, but given that it was marked for speedy delete there is at least merit in starting the conversation. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 22:56, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

Keep — I created this article so I may be a bit biased, however I think that it should be kept, because it's an important battle that happened and even though it has little content now, I'm working on expanding it but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It's briefly covered in the Yellowneck Uprising, however I think it still warrants a separate article Aryaguptaa (wall • contribs)

Delete — My reasoning for deleting this article is very simple: 1) Everything known about the events at Zhulu Pass is already part of the uprising article. The Battle article will be just a de facto copy of the section in the uprising article. 2) We know almost nothing about the actual battle. We know some things about the massacre afterwards, but the info regarding the fighting is extremely limited: For example, it is not even clear who fought with Jianzhu at the pass; the novel can be interpreted as him fighting alone, with his private army or with the Earth Kingdom military. None of this is certain. That was the main reason why I myself opted not to create an article about the battle. --DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 09:48, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Merge — Per DFT: if there is no relevant new info that goes beyond the scope of the uprising article, all content should be merged with that page. Just a random remark as I still haven't read the novel (shame on me), but perhaps we could create a "Battles" page, which would basically be an overview of all known battles, akin to how we have a Duels page with all its sub pages (which we probably ought to update at some point with the comic duels, but whatever). Lady Lostris / SOAP 10:02, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Salai

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I don't think there is enough information about Salai to have an article about them. We only know their name and that they existed some time between Wan and Yanchen's predecessor. I removed almost all of the article's information as it was mostly speculation. Dcasawang1 • wall 10:51, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

Delete — Not enough information. Tono555 16:38, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

Delete — The single mention is not enough to warrant an article, and the information we do have is already noted on the Avatar page. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 18:50, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

Keep — Even though there is not much information about Salai, I think that they will give us more information in "The Shadow of Kyoshi", so the article will be able to be expanded later on. If Yangchen's predecessor has his own article, then I think Salai should too. KrazyKarma (wall • contribs) 19:08, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

If sufficiently more information on Salai is released in The Shadow of Kyoshi, then the article can be recreated and expanded as is appropriate. However, based on the single mention we have right now, there is not enough to warrant an article. It is also not because another Avatar has an article that every Avatar should; decisions for whether an article should be kept are based on the subject of the article. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 19:15, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

Red Sand Island

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Delete — I believe that this article should be deleted because there is just not enough information to justify it being kept. Almost all of the information contained in the article is covered in the United Forces article and the island is only mentioned twice in The Legend of Korra. There is a possibility that we will learn more about Red Sand Island in The Shadow of Kyoshi, but the book’s release is still over two months away and there is no guarantee that we will learn more about the island in the novel anyway. If more information about Red Sand Island is released in the future, we can recreate the article, but for now, I think it should be deleted. Aang on a sec (Need help with discussions?) 09:41, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Keep — My opinion on this matter has not changed. I just think that we should keep the article until The Shadow of Kyoshi is released (two months is not much time); what harm is done by waiting until then? I simply see no reason to delete it and then recreate it if we could just wait a bit and then just keep / delete it. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 10:02, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Delete — Aang on a sec pretty much covered my views on this. The criteria for keeping or deleting an article is based on how it is now, not how it might potentially be expanded in the future. Otherwise, that argument could be used to justify keeping any article that is too short. As is stands, the article is not long enough and I support deletion. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 10:11, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Delete — Per Aang on a sec and HoT. There is just not enough information. We can keep what we have in a sandbox if there is a need to recreate it in the future. Dcasawang1 • wall 11:12, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

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+{{Vote delete}} This page shouldn't exist. We don't know this character's name or anything about their lore. There are characters we have pictures of and names for who we don't have articles for, there is no point to this page existing and anything on it is covered by the [[Opening Sequence]] article. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 21:41, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
+{{vote delete}} Anything listed on this page is purely logical. As such, it does not warrant a page {{User:Tono555/Sandbox A}} 21:44, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} I don't see much use for this page. Opal is still a minor character, and the only significant relationship she has at the moment is with Bolin. And even that is still minor. [[User:Lucidus Star|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi; font-size:2em; color:#00F; text-shadow: 0 0 2px #AAF;">Lucid☆Star</span>]] 15:18, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} We know he was important enough to be featured in the opening sequence instead of any of the other, named airbenders we know of. He had a beard, as well. He also mastered a whirlwind move, and none of this was mentioned on the Opening Sequence article. --<b><span style="color: dodgerblue;">[[User: Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: dodgerblue;">''<u>Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur</u>''</span>]]<span style="color: dodgerblue;"> </span></span><sup>[[User talk:Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: #b1b1b1;">''(Wanna Discuss Something?)''</span>]]</sup></b> 21:46, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Per LS. Not much to be had for her relationships at this point. {{User:PSUAvatar14/Sandbox Z-1}} 15:23, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} There is not enough content to warrant this page. {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 21:58, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} This is an encyclopedia of avatar world. We have enough Info about Opal's relationship. so it should be added to the wiki. [[User:Mkamind|Mkamind]] <small>([[Message Wall:Mkamind|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mkamind|contribs]])</small> 15:55, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} Literally every bit of relevant information available can be reduced to a trivia sentence in related articles. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:08, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Looking over the article, I don't think there is really enough content to warrant such a page. Opal's relationship with her family and maybe Bolin could probably be expanded to have enough content, but beyond that I do not see there is much that could be said, and only two notable connections is not really enough to warrant a page. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 16:17, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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-{{Vote delete}} Per my [[Thread:1262869#2|earlier objections]] against the creation of the page. Relationship pages are not meant to be mere recollections of "character A spoke with character B" in this, this, and this instance. Those pages are meant to provide a deeper insight in the personality of the character and the "why" of their interactions with certain characters. Opal does not have enough of those profound moments to warrant a relationship page at this moment. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 16:25, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} I agree with what Mkamind said. We have enough true information about this and it can still be expanded if Opal appears throughout book 4 as well. --[[User:Avatar Rowena|Avatar Rowena]] <small>([[Message Wall:Avatar Rowena|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Avatar Rowena|contribs]])</small> 17:00, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-:As a general reminder: We create a page to group relevant information that is present. We do not create a page in the off chance that relevant information may someday be released. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 17:09, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} Opal has had enough interaction with the different main characters to be giving her own page. Also, the 'not being a main character' argument is invalid, since Yue and Ty Lee (for example) also have their own relationship page. Opal is an important and vivid character in the third book, who happens to be featured on the SDCC promo poster, they don't just put a character on there who's not important. [[User:BelgiumHelper|BelgiumHelper]] <small>([[Message Wall:BelgiumHelper|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BelgiumHelper|contribs]])</small> 19:18, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-:The judgement on whether a character should have a relationship page doesn't have anything to do with whether they are a main character or not. What matters is whether there is enough content in regards to their interactions with other characters to warrant such a page. For Opal, I do not believe enough such content exists to warrant keeping the page. If in the future we get enough content, then it can be remade as needed. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 17:46, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-::I like to point out that Opal being a minor character was not used as a reason to delete the page on itself. It was used to refer to her very minor role thus far in the serious, a minor role that has left us with very little to nearly nothing to work with. (Though just a note: Yue and Ty Lee are both listed as ''major'' characters, so using them as examples to defend the page of a ''minor'' character is a bit unconventional as you can't just make a parallel comparison between two different situations.)
-::And as said before, we do not create pages in the off chance that she may get a bigger role in the future. If she happens to actually show a deep connection with several characters that warrant a page, the page can easily be recreated. However, we do no keep sub-standard pages around in hopes that we may one day fill them with useful information. That's not how we work. We wait for useful information and then create a page. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 17:51, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} As spoken of before, Opal doesn't have any solid relationship shown in the show. In this Book, relationships have been toned down, and hence, Opal's relationships aren't that significant with respect to the storyline whatsoever. There is hardly any content that can be added. [[User:Moon's Haze|Moon's Haze]] <small>([[Message Wall:Moon's Haze|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moon's Haze|contribs]])</small> 17:26, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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+{{Vote delete}} This character isn't named and hasn't played any role at all in the show, all we know about him is he had the ability to lavabend which does not warrant a page at all. Any notes about his lavabending ability can already be surmised on the Avatar page, and if we keep this page up we might as well make pages for all of the other stock Avatar designs. If his lore gets brought up in the comics the page can be recreated but I don't think this page is relevant. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 18:37, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
+<s>{{Vote keep}}</s> I am not dead-set on keeping it, but I do want to point out that this particular character was also, supposedly, present in The Rift (the last paragraph in the section on Aang's life). Given that it provides some insight into the Avatar's prior lives, and specifically their connection to them, I am happy to keep this page. {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 18:43, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} I think we should delete the [[Insurrection of the Red Lotus]] page... any info on there can be found on other pages, such as the ORL page, and the korra page, so i don't think there's any real need for this page. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] <small>([[Message Wall:Intelligence4|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intelligence4|contribs]])</small> 04:42, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+:Yes he does appear, but for a [https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27</a>">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27">https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Rift/Part-3?id=48672#27</a></a> single panel] along with the same Earth Kingdom Avatar before him who we've seen in statues in Avatar temples and in other Avatar line-ups but who doesn't have a page here. the only reason we have the article about him is because he showed up and lavabended once, if more  information becomes available we can create a page about him then, but the page isn't really serving a purpose on the wiki. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 18:49, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} Per the reasons I gave for the [[Anarchy in the Earth Kingdom]] vote. [[User:DyingFlameTsui|DyingFlameTsui]] <small>([[Message Wall:DyingFlameTsui|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingFlameTsui|contribs]])</small> 09:46, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+::Ahh, the current wording on his page makes him seem much more important than the panel reveals, then. As said, I'm not dead-set on keeping the page xD {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 18:54, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} I get that the information is elsewhere on the wiki, but all of Korra's information is on Asami and Mako and Bolin's pages is you add all those contents together. The reason she has her own article is because she has enough info to require it and the article focuses on her. The same goes for the Insurrection, which also happens to be an important event in the chronology that would probably get an article if it were only an intro and minor history long, like the [[Battle of Han Tui]]. {{User:Krazykid51/Signature}} 10:09, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} Due to those few seconds this Avatar "showed up in," he became more important than any other stock design of the other Avatars because he was revealed to be the first known person to lavabend. Another thing to note is that this particular Avatar disrupted the cycle of "male" "female" "male" "female" judging by his facial features. All in all, these reasons may be too trivial for most, but these are my thoughts on the matter. Also, while we're on the topic of this Avatar specifically, if the article ''does'' survive this discussion, perhaps it should be renamed to ''Unnamed firebending Avatar'' or ''Unnamed Fire Nation Avatar'' or something similar. --<b><span style="color: dodgerblue;">[[User: Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: dodgerblue;">''<u>Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur</u>''</span>]]<span style="color: dodgerblue;"> </span></span><sup>[[User talk:Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: #b1b1b1;">''(Wanna Discuss Something?)''</span>]]</sup></b> 03:00, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} Not being biased as I created my page myself, but seeing that the major conflicts in the Avatar world have pages (Chin's revolution, Hundred Year War, Harmony Restoration Movement, Equalist revolution and recently, the Water Tribe Civil War, which I also created myself), I think the page should stay. [[User:IAmNothing712|IAmNothing712]] <small>([[Message Wall:IAmNothing712|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/IAmNothing712|contribs]])</small> 02:56, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} I think this page has been here long enough (dating back to 2007) and has enough information on it for him to have a page. We have shorter pages around here, so I'll stick with keep. {{User:Tono555/Sandbox A}} 03:40, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
-| T3 = Anarchy in the Earth Kingdom | 3 =
-{{Discussion Closed|Page kept.}}
-{{Vote delete}} I think we should delete the [[Anarchy in the Earth Kingdom]] page... as i said for the insurrection of the RL page, i don't think there's any need for this page, as the info on it is already stated elsewhere. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] <small>([[Message Wall:Intelligence4|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intelligence4|contribs]])</small> 04:46, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+:I disagree that precedent or the existence of shorter articles makes the page necessary, (also I'm confused about the supposed gender pattern because Aang and Roku are of the same gender) but I do agree that the page should be renamed; I strongly dislike having the word "unnamed" in a character's title, perhaps simply Fire Nation Avatar would work. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 04:17, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} The complex prelude of this conflict, as well as the conflict itself is noteworthy. Also, to argue that the info can be found elsewhere is not really a reason; all the infos about the Battle at Wulong forest can be found elsewhere, but it still is one of the most important battles in Avatar history and can not be omitted. [[User:DyingFlameTsui|DyingFlameTsui]] <small>([[Message Wall:DyingFlameTsui|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingFlameTsui|contribs]])</small> 09:43, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+::I don't feel strong either way about keeping or deleting, but if a rename is the way to go, I suggest forgoing having the word Avatar in the title, and simply go with the more specific "Yangchen's predecessor". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:27, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
+:::Lol I did not explain that correctly. I meant that every four Avatars from each of the four nations, their genders are supposedly swapped. From what we know currently, it would seem this particular Avatar was the only one who disrupted that cycle. However, as I take a look at the image again, I realize that the discussion I took this from was likely misguided, as it was Avatar [[Roku]] who disrupted the cycle. --<b><span style="color: dodgerblue;">[[User: Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: dodgerblue;">''<u>Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur</u>''</span>]]<span style="color: dodgerblue;"> </span></span><sup>[[User talk:Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: #b1b1b1;">''(Wanna Discuss Something?)''</span>]]</sup></b> 16:23, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} I think this page has enough content to warrant being kept. He was admittedly never explored in much detail, but the regularity of his appearances in the Avatar lineup leans me towards keeping over deleting the article. I would also like to add that if the article is kept, any name change would have to go through the War Room so I would suggest keeping the discussion here focused on whether the article should be deleted, and discuss a name change later on. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 10:44, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} Per Insurrection vote. {{User:Krazykid51/Signature}} 10:10, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+:If appearing regularly was a compelling reason to keep it, feathered hat man's article would still be around. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:57, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
+::It is well established that the deletion of each article is considered separately and not based on what was or wasn't deleted before. But to clarify my point, the Fire Avatar has appeared a number of times and there is enough content based on these appearances to, in my mind, justify keeping the page. My vote to keep is based on the quantity of content and not the number of appearances. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 18:25, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} Well, we keep the information nearly ''everything'' about A:TLA and TLoK, as long as it meets our standards; and I think it'll be informative to every readers of our encyclopedia. {{User:AcerEvan/Sig}} 10:57, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} I don't feel particularly strongly about this, but FF brought up some valid points that as far as I can tell have not been refuted in any of the following replies. We've also seen the bearded Earth Kingdom Avatar before him multiple times, but we deleted his article because we had next to zero info on him. The fact that it's been on the wiki for so long is essentially just saying its fine because it's gotten away with being there without anyone bringing it up, which is a bad precedent for the wiki. --{{User:AvatarRokusGhost/Sig2}} 02:01, September 30, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} I'd say at least wait until Book 4 comes out, it seems pretty likely to me they are going to deal with it again there. It also allows much greater detail than the synopi of the episodes it is so far featured in. {{User|AvatarAang7}} 23:52, August 28, 2014 (GMT +1)
+:[[Forum:Past Avatars|This thread]]'s brought up a few good points. --<b><span style="color: dodgerblue;">[[User: Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: dodgerblue;">''<u>Boot Lover/Riverdale Chauffeur</u>''</span>]]<span style="color: dodgerblue;"> </span></span><sup>[[User talk:Riverdale Chauffeur|<span style="color: #b1b1b1;">''(Wanna Discuss Something?)''</span>]]</sup></b> 03:26, September 30, 2018 (UTC)
-{{vote keep}} I think something like this we should keep it explains the build up for centuries that would lead to the anarchy.[[User:Superbike10|Superbike10]] <small>([[Message Wall:Superbike10|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Superbike10|contribs]])</small> 00:34, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
+::They chose to keep his article because he's the only person ever seen bending lava but now we know that's a skill that any skilled/trained earthbender could do, so the entire concept of it as having a prominent role on the narrative of the series or the structure of the universe no longer is relevant. He has no pertinent roles, abilities, or effect on the narrative. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 04:28, September 30, 2018 (UTC)
-:'''Comment''' — Since this wiki doesn't have a neutral or comment template ^_^;;. I was thinking of a merger article involving Earth Kingdom events. The Anarchy article itself is nicely done. -- [[User:Bunai82|Bunai82]] <sup>[[User_talk:Bunai82|(talk)]]</sup> 02:44, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
-::We have a {{tl|Vote merge}} template, so you can suggest merging it if you choose ^^" {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 03:15, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} there is no use to deleate it at all as it is very noteworthy and should be kept.--Gsmith1030 21:42, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
+|T3 = Giant wolf | 3 =
-{{vote keep}} I think keep because it is a well established page. Another thing is that it will most likely be touched upon in book 4. Also the Red Lotus uprising only had to deal with liberating the people from oppressive leaders, and once they were done the RL's part is done and it is up to the people. This is shown when Zaheer tells the city about the assassination, but he says it isn't his place to tell them what to do. Since the Anarchy is not taken part in totally by RL operatives I say keep. <small>—Preceding [[Help:Signature|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:0zai|0zai]] ([[Message Wall:0zai|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/0zai|contribs]]) {{#if:22:36, September 2, 2014 (UTC)|22:36, September 2, 2014 (UTC)|This note was added on 22:54, September 2, 2014 (UTC).}}</small>
+{{Discussion Closed|result=Page deleted.}}
-| T4 = Huan's sculpture | 4 =
+{{vote delete}} While this article may have once been necessary, as we knew little of the spirit world, with Korra and the comics further fleshing it out, I think it is pointless to have an article about a spirit which one can glimpse in about a second of a single episode. We don't have articles for other spirits that appear but have no lines, like the many spirits visible in ''The Legend of Korra'', and we lack articles for spirits who play a role in the plot like the spirit that attacks Korra in the first episode of Book 2. I think it is odd to have an exception for this particular character. The one noteworthy thing about it, that the Wolf spirit spirit may have been based on its design, can easily be put on the Wolf spirit's page. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 01:21, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Discussion Closed|Page kept.}}
+{{Vote delete}} I agree. This spirit didn't do anything particularly relevant other than walk in the background. {{User:Tono555/Sandbox A}} 02:02, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
-{{Vote merge}} I vote we merge the [[Huan's sculpture]] page with the [[Art]] page. the page is very short, and the sculpture doesn't have any major plot significance to warrant having its own page. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] <small>([[Message Wall:Intelligence4|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intelligence4|contribs]])</small> 13:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
+|T4 = Romance | 4 =
-{{Vote keep}} We have plenty of shorter pages that are warranted; I see no reason to delete or merge this article. It stands fine on its own. {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 14:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Discussion Closed|result=Page deleted.}}
+{{vote delete}} This article should be deleted because it does not add any utility to the wiki. Its sole use prior to my recent edit was to list relationships of characters, which we have a category page that offers the same information. {{User:Ziryerx/Signature}} 01:21, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} Per Ziryerx. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 12:42, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} This wiki is well-known for the information of every inch in ''Avatar'' Universe, and I think this page deserves its place on this wiki. Per Frui. {{User:AcerEvan/Sig}} 16:35, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
+|T5 = 22nd Earth King | 5 =
-{{Vote keep}} Make it about Huan's sculptures in general, not just that one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Discussion Closed|result=Page deleted.}}
+'''NOTE:''' This deletion is named for the ''22nd Earth King'' article, but it also includes ''40th Earth King'' since the arguments for both are the same.
+{{Vote delete}} My reasoning for why both these articles should be deleted is very simple; they are too short in length and there is not enough information to warrant separate articles. All relevant information can be included on the [[Earth monarch]] page, as it was previously. I do not see why separate articles are required. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 15:51, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
-:If we are to keep that page on its own though, then we'd have to create a page for every piece of art in the series. i just don't think that's necessary, especially considering we can just have all the information in one place: same info, still covering every inch of avatar, just less cluttered.
-:Also as omni said, if we do in fact keep the page, we should make it about all of his sculptures. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] <small>([[Message Wall:Intelligence4|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intelligence4|contribs]])</small> 17:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} Per Acer, we have many short pages like [[Monkey statue|this one]] for example --{{User:Bahjy1/Sig}} 17:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} per HoT. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 00:37, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
+| T6 = Ryong | 6 =
-{{Vote keep}} Just as a small note, pages on the wiki are not kept on the basis of "we have this small page, therefore we should have this other small page". Each page is kept on its own merits and whether it is of a reasonable length. Therefore, the existence of other small pages doesn't mean we have to keep this page, and keeping this page doesn't mean we would have to create pages for every small piece of art if there was no merits in doing so.
+{{Discussion Closed|Page will be merged with [[Earth Kingdom sages]].}}
-Now, in my view this page should be kept. It is of a reasonable length, and there is enough significant, individual history surrounding the sculpture that merit it being kept as a separate page, and not merged elsewhere. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 21:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
-| T5 = Silk Road Bridge | 5 =
-{{Discussion Closed|Page kept.}}
-{{Vote delete}}This article feels to me like it's there just to announce the trivia that it is a reference to the real Silk Road Trading Route. The page doesn't hold much information, and it could, in my opinion, be transcribed onto the main page of Republic City's locations or on the main page of The Aftermath. It plays a very minor role in just that one episode, and really, it could have been anywhere in the city. [[User: AvatarAang7]] 12:58, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} This article is currently very short, and from what I remember of the book there is not much more that could be added to expand it. I would like to suggest, therefore, that we create an ''Earth Kingdom sages'' article and merge Ryong with the other sages that have short articles: Buro, Neliao, Pan, and Saiyuk. The article would then include information on each individual and also general information on the EK sages. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 19:41, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} per HoT. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 00:39, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} I think the information contained within the article is reasonable enough to warrant it being kept as a separate page. The page was created to inform about the bridge itself, the trivia point is merely an addition to that, and the fact it played only a minor role doesn't matter if a reasonable article can be created from the information. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 21:56, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
+| T7 = Super Brawl | 7 =
+{{Discussion Closed|Page will be merged with [[Super Brawl games]].}}
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-{{Vote keep}} So what if it doesn't hold much information? The page about [[Yon Rha's mother|the shrewish woman with the talking mole of shrewishness]] doesn't hold much information, but ''that's'' not a deleted page. It seems to me that this deserves a page as much as the Brooklyn Bridge deserves a page on Wikipedia, as it seems that important in-universe, despite its short appearance. [[User:SorcererSupreme21|SorcererSupreme21]] <small>([[Message Wall:SorcererSupreme21|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/SorcererSupreme21|contribs]])</small> 22:50, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} I suggest to merge the different "Super Brawl" games (i.e. [[Super Brawl]], [[Super Brawl 2]], [[Super Brawl 3]], [[Super Brawl World]], [[Super Brawl Summer]], and [[Super Fall Brawl]]) into one page named "Super Brawl games" since they all more or less have the same gameplay anyway and the ''Avatar'' aspect of these games seems rather limited. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 14:48, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} Agreed. There seems to be minimal differences between each game, so combining them makes a lot of sense. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 22:42, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
-| T6 = Unalaq's ship | 6 =
+| T8 = Fade-Red Devils | 8 =
-{{Discussion Closed|Page kept.}}
-{{Vote delete}} This page serves little practical value. The difference between it and many of the other Water Tribe ships is negligible at best, and the information could be shortened and put on another page if need be. The only major difference is the fact that it was used by Unalaq. {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 08:48, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} The meere fact, that it was used by Unalaq is important, as it gives the ship a special meaning. I don't thing that we saw a ship like this except for Unalaq's, so it must be one of a kind. Like Aang's staff or Sokka's sword. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] <small>([[Message Wall:AvatarfanSLO|Wall]])</small>  12:13, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
-:Just because we saw only one, doesn't mean that it "must be" ''the'' only one. Aside from it being Unalaq's, there is very little to differentiate it from other ships. {{User:Fruipit/Signature}} 10:23, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} We've seen many other vehicles just once, and it's we have a precedent for it. The various airship articles could easily be condensed in a single article, but the specifics about each of them warrants their articles. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:18, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
-| T7 = Outpost soldiers | 7 =
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-{{Vote delete}} The relevant information of these two characters is already incorporated in the history section of [[Military of the Earth Empire|Kuvira's army]]. The only info "lost" would be their voice actors, though they are credited on their own page, so the information is still on the wiki. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} My reasoning for proposing the deletion of this page is very simply that I feel it is too short. All relevant information on the group has been added, and thus there is no real scope for expanding it any more to a reasonable length. Most of the information that is contained in the article could be added to either the [[Fifth Nation]] or [[Tagaka]] articles as appropriate. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 12:46, July 6, 2019 (UTC)
+:{{Vote keep}} As the author of the article, I still disagree. While the article is undoubtedly short, it is of sufficient length and remains useful. Sure, the information could probably be found in other articles, but at the same time I do not think that the article is so short that its existence is completely unwarranted; otherwise I would not have written it ;-). [[User:DyingFlameTsui|DyingFlameTsui]] <small>([[Message Wall:DyingFlameTsui|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingFlameTsui|contribs]])</small> 21:44, September 23, 2019 (UTC)
+| T9 = Avatar: The Four Elements | 9 =
-{{Vote keep}} I personaly believe, that we should keep this article. In contrast to other members of Kuvira's army these two had a much longer screen time debut than others, we even learned about the personalities. And this is the avatar wiki, where we want to have every small bit of information tidied up. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] <small>([[Message Wall:AvatarfanSLO|Wall]])</small>  17:37, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Discussion Closed|Page deleted.}}
-:Yes, we most definitely want to document all relevant information, which we already had done before the creation of said page. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 15:40, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
-::Yes, but they had quite an important role. They were the reason that Korra was found. That makes them relevant and they deserve a propper page. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] <small>([[Message Wall:AvatarfanSLO|Wall]])</small>  17:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
-:::Yes, that makes them most certainly relevant to be documented, which, again, had already been done before the creation of the page. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 16:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
-:::: Ok, let me put it this way. We have a page for the Fire Ferrets cosplayers who had a screentime of 1, maybey 2 seconds, but we should delete a page made for characters who had several minutes of screen time. For me, that doesn't make any sence. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] <small>([[Message Wall:AvatarfanSLO|Wall]])</small>  10:47, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-:::::It likely doesn't make sense because you are comparing the wrong things with each other. Those cosplayers have no other place to go. There is no general page on which the information regarding them can be listed. Those soldiers, however, do. All the information regarding their relevant actions had already been documented before the page was even created. As such, their separate page became a duplicate of the info covered on the Kuvira's soldiers page. We are an ''Avatar''-encyclopedia, meaning that we document everything regarding to the series. However, in no way does that have to mean that everything has to have its separate page. It just means that it needs to be documented on a relevant and logical page, which has been done. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 11:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-::::::I'm sorry, but I dissagree. If you say, that we should have all articles listed encyclopedia style, then, by your logics, the Fire Ferrets cosplayers page should be listed in the Organisations of the World Of Avatar page, and not be a separate page. But it shouldn't be, because every article that has meaning, every character that has a story and characteristics and each event that has historical value should have its own page. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] <small>([[Message Wall:AvatarfanSLO|Wall]])</small>  12:47, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-:I guess we'll just then have to agree to disagree, because your notion of "every article that has meaning, every character that has a story and characteristics and each event that has historical value should have its own page" is not how things are done on this wiki. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 12:00, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}}, per LL. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] <small>([[Message Wall:Intelligence4|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Intelligence4|contribs]])</small> 17:48, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} irrelevant matter, irrelevant characters [[User:Airbender Master|Airbender Master]] <small>([[Message Wall:Airbender Master|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airbender Master|contribs]])</small> 23:44, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} They are minor characters, but they had enough screen time and were given enough personality to distinguish them as notable characters in and of themselves rather than just lumping them in with the rest of Kuvira's army.[[User:Ssbbisnumber1|Ssbbisnumber1]] <small>([[Message Wall:Ssbbisnumber1|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ssbbisnumber1|contribs]])</small> 05:15, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} I think that this article should be kept; yes, some of their history (and actually, reading through the article, the amount seems to be only minimal) is shared with that included in the article for Kuvira's army, but that it always going to be true for characters that are part of a group, so I don't see that as much justification for not keeping the page, particularly given that they also have some history that is distinct from Kuvira's army, i.e. their interaction with Ikki, and which comprises the majority of the information on the page. So, overall, I think the page should be kept. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 21:50, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} Per HammerOfThor. I really couldn't have said it better myself. [[User:Tono555|<span style="font-family:Arial Black;font-size:17pt"><font color="orange">'''T'''</font><font color="#FFBF00">'''o'''</font><font color="#F7D358">'''n'''</font><font color="#D8D8D8">'''o'''</font><font color="#5882FA">'''5'''</font><font color="#2E2EFE">'''5'''</font><font color="#0404B4">'''5'''</font></span>]][[Image:Korra-chao2.gif]]<span style="margin-center: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.2em; background-color: #FFF8DC; border: 3px solid #2F4F4F; -webkit-border-radius:15px; -moz-border-radius:15px; border-radius:15px;"><small>[[Message Wall:Tono555|<span style="color:orange;">'''wall'''</span>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Tono555|<span style="color:#0404B4;">'''my contributions'''</span>]]</small></span>[[Image:Aang Sprite Season 3.gif]] 21:57, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} I really dont see a reason to delete it at all.--Gsmith1030 05:20, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Hmmm, it's a tricky one, but I have to agree with LL. Everything that needs to be mentioned about these characters already has been on Kuvira's army page and the page for the actual episode. Maybe if they reappear perhaps it would warrant their own page, but as is I don't think it's necessary. --{{User:Bomochu/Signature}} 07:22, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
-| T8 = Equalist Chi blockers | 8 =
-{{Discussion Closed|Page will be merged with [[Equalists]].}}
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+{{Vote delete}} I don't think ''fan sites'' that aren't active should have their own separate article, especially if it has so little information. It can simply be added to [[Avatar Wiki:Affiliates]]. {{User:Dcasawang1/Signature}} 02:56, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote merge}}  This page is nearly an entire copy/paste of the [[Equalists]] page -which is obvious, since many Equalists are also chi blockers, since that was their greatest advantage again benders. There is no need to have another page detailing all the history of the Equalists. At best, the chi blockers could get their own paragraph on the Equalist page, but an entire page with duplicate information is not necessary. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 19:57, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} Per Dc~, can be merged with Affiliates. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 10:26, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}}/{{Vote merge}} Tey are still a specialised group in the Equalist forces. Not all Equalists are chi blockers. So, I maybey agree merging the page, but it would be better to keep the page, because they are a special ops grop, like the Terra Team in the Earth Kingdom Armed Forces. [[User:AvatarfanSLO|AvatarfanSLO]] 21:03, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
+| T10 = Kukick | 10 =
-:I know that not all Equalists are chi blockers, but most of the Equalists that had a notable history are. And that notable history is already covered elsewhere, thus making that page nearly a clone of the other page. As said above, the only thing that makes that page relevant is that is focuses slightly more on the chi blocking aspect, but if we were to cut out all the irrelevant/duplicate info, we only have a paragraph left or something. As such, I propose to move that paragraph to the main Equalist page and delete the separate "Equalist chi blockers".
+{{Discussion Closed|Page will be merged with [[Trebuchet operators]].}}
-:Also, the mere fact that they're a special ops group -which they're not really, considering that most Equalists are chi blockers due to it being the most effective weapon against benders in one-on-one combat along with the electrified glove- is not a sufficient reason to keep the page around considering its largely irrelevant nature of having duplicated information from the main Equalists page. Also, we don't keep/delete things based on arguments of the nature "because A, then there must be B". Every page is gauged in concreto, to making parallels with other groups is irrelevant. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 20:24, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote merge}} Per the reasoning given. This page is pretty much redundant. {{User:PSUAvatar14/Sandbox Z-1}} 20:57, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Not much to merge that isn't already on the page, and I don't think a separate section for chi blockets is at all necessary since the organization's use of chi blocking is extensively referenced and described throughout the article already. [[File:Waterbending_emblem.png|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] [[User talk:Water Spout|<font color="royalblue">'''Water'''</font>]] [[User blog:Water Spout|<font color="royalblue">'''Spout'''</font>]] 05:13, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
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-{{Vote delete}} {{Vote merge}}  I do not see the added value of this page beyond confusion. "The Last Airbender" is wildly known to be the title of the movie, which is named "Film:The Last Airbender" on this wiki. Since most wiki users do not know how to work with and link to the different portals on this wiki, it would make more sense for "The Last Airbender" to be a redirect to the movie page than a glorified disambiguation page. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 07:20, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
+{{Vote merge}} The only reason why Kukick has a separate page is due to his name being know and having an image available. I propose merging this page with the more general [[trebuchet operators]]'page, which already holds all his relevant history. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 03:26, March 8, 2020 (UTC)
+:{{Vote merge}} I agree. The page has no additional useful information in comparision to "Trebuchet operators" other than this character's name. {{User:Dcasawang1/Signature}} 02:51, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
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-<s>Merge</s> {{Vote keep}}  This page was originally created to reveal the articles comments after a botched move (see revision history). Since article comments are no longer viewable anyway, we could change back to a regular redirect, i.e., "#REDIRECT [[Film:The Last Airbender]]" . There are thousands of comments hidden under this page so I would not delete it outright. FYI, Viacom used tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn85016855&docId=SPE20130308145039#docIndex=6&page=1 as trademark specimen for "The Last Airbender". — '''[[User:Hasdi|Hasdi Bravo]]''' &bull;  10:50, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
-:While Viacom may have used that name as well, that is largely irrelevant to the browsing experience of our visitors. Hardly anyone comes here with a knowledge of how Viacom deals and labels things. They come here based on the name of an episode/movie that they know. The Last Airbender is to nearly every fan the name of the movie, not the entire franchise or a reference to the series. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 10:57, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
-::I'm not sure on the last part anymore. :( If you do a twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=thelastairbender%20-avatar" search on "thelastairbender" without "Avatar"], a commenter could be referring to the movie as easily as "the series, not the sh***y movie". But like I said, article comments has been disabled so the main reason why I like to keep this as a separate is now moot. I'm fine if we change it back to a regular redirect. — '''[[User:Hasdi|Hasdi Bravo]]''' &bull;  14:53, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} while it could indeed be useful, it seems rather pointless and not just a standard disambiguation page. I have never once noticed the existence of the page and I do not believe it will be missed. A simple redirect shall suffice. {{User:Duke of Skibbington/Sig}} 06:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
-{{Vote keep}} I'm not exactly clear on what "confusion" would come from keeping this page. Someone looking/searching for ''The Last Airbender'' is primarily going to be looking for the film, but the game and soundtrack both come under this name as well; this is entirely why we have disambiguation pages, for articles that have the same or similar titles. For someone looking for the film, there is an easily noticeable link to said article which they can click on; for those looking for the game, soundtrack, or series, the same. I am at a loss as to see what part of this process creates confusion, and thus why the page should be deleted. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 21:31, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
-:In light of this argument, I am changing my vote to '''Keep'''. If it is still a concern for others, we could just rename the page to "The Last Airbender (disambiguation)" or something. — '''[[User:Hasdi|Hasdi Bravo]]''' &bull;  14:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
-:::If consensus is to keep it, it will be renamed to the standard disambiguation page and this name will be a redirect to the movie, since that's basically how everything on this wiki has worked thus far.
-:::As for HoT's argument, where the confusion comes from is already explained in my first comment. The argument that we don't need this easy redirect based on there being an "easily noticeable link to said article which they can click on" would mean that we should also do away with many of our disambiguation pages, since there are "easily noticeable link to said article[s] which they can click on" in the navigation bar. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 19:56, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
-::::Sounds good to me. To prevent RC flood (due to the hidden comments) should we decide to rename this page, I suggest you paste the entire page content into a new page "The Last Airbender (disambiguation)" and then replace the page with with "#REDIRECT [[Film:The Last Airbender]]". Later. — '''[[User:Hasdi|Hasdi Bravo]]''' &bull;  02:40, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Vote delete}} This is simply unneeded, we never use it. Nowadays, when article needs to be split, it is just done so based on previous standing consensus/practice, or it is the subject of a War Room discussion and the consensus there will decide. The template itself has no meaning, because just announcing future plans is rather irrelevant. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 08:08, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
+I am creating this VfD to initiate the discussion on whether this article should be deleted. I don't have a view on delete/keep yet until I have looked at expanding the article, but given that it was marked for speedy delete there is at least merit in starting the conversation. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 22:56, March 19, 2020 (UTC)
+{{vote keep}} I created this article so I may be a bit biased, however I think that it should be kept, because it's an important battle that happened and even though it has little content now, I'm working on expanding it but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It's briefly covered in the Yellowneck Uprising, however I think it still warrants a separate article [[User:Aryaguptaa|Aryaguptaa]] <small>([[Message Wall:Aryaguptaa|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aryaguptaa|contribs]])</small>
-{{Vote delete}} Per Lostris' reasoning; it isn't a template that we ever make use of anymore, so there seems no reason to keep it. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 21:36, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
+{{vote delete}} My reasoning for deleting this article is very simple: 1) Everything known about the events at Zhulu Pass is already part of the uprising article. The Battle article will be just a de facto copy of the section in the uprising article. 2) We know almost nothing about the actual battle. We know some things about the massacre afterwards, but the info regarding the fighting is extremely limited: For example, it is not even clear who fought with Jianzhu at the pass; the novel can be interpreted as him fighting alone, with his private army or with the Earth Kingdom military. None of this is certain. That was the main reason why I myself opted not to create an article about the battle. --[[User:DyingFlameTsui|DyingFlameTsui]] <small>([[Message Wall:DyingFlameTsui|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingFlameTsui|contribs]])</small> 09:48, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} What's the point in having it if it's not going to be used anymore? {{User:Tono555/Sandbox A}} 22:54, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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+{{Vote merge}} Per DFT: if there is no relevant new info that goes beyond the scope of the uprising article, all content should be merged with that page. Just a random remark as I still haven't read the novel (shame on me), but perhaps we could create a "Battles" page, which would basically be an overview of all known battles, akin to how we have a [[Duels]] page with all its sub pages (which we probably ought to update at some point with the comic duels, but whatever). {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 10:02, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
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+I don't think there is enough information about Salai to have an article about them. We only know their name and that they existed some time between Wan and Yanchen's predecessor. I removed almost all of the article's information as it was mostly speculation. {{User:Dcasawang1/Signature}} 10:51, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} No need for this page, but I wasn't certain whether it constituted speedy deletion. All the information is essentially a repeat of what is already detailed in the [[spirit portal]] page, and the rest is extraneous history that is already noted in the appropriate pages. [[File:Waterbending_emblem.png|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] [[User talk:Water Spout|<font color="royalblue">'''Water'''</font>]] [[User blog:Water Spout|<font color="royalblue">'''Spout'''</font>]] 04:31, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Per Water Spout. --{{User:AvatarRokusGhost/Sig2}} 04:45, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
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-{{Vote delete}} Considering we have and have had similar pages, I reckon it's best to put this through a community vote. I propose to delete the newly created platinum page for the simple reason that it doesn't bring any new information to the wiki. All relevance to platinum, namely it being unbendable metal, is already covered on the metalbending page. The only other relevant information, the extended history section, is also covered already where necessary. As such, this page fall under the same usefulness as pages such as "apple" and "bamboo" we had in the past. I reckon someone may draw a parallel between the existence of this page and the [[mercury]] page, but then I'd like to point out that the latter exists because of its plot relevance, namely Korra's poisoning and subsequent inability to access the Avatar State properly for the larger part of book 4. Platinum had a similar use, with it being the substance the enormous mecha tank was built from, but that is already covered on that page. {{User:Lady Lostris/Signature}} 20:27, June 11, 2017 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} Per LL. --{{User:AvatarRokusGhost/Sig2}} 21:53, June 11, 2017 (UTC)
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+{{Vote delete}} Not enough information. {{User:Tono555/Sig}} 16:38, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
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+{{Vote delete}} The single mention is not enough to warrant an article, and the information we do have is already noted on the Avatar page. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 18:50, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} In [https://freenode.net/news/services-database-purge">https://freenode.net/news/services-database-purge</a>">https://freenode.net/news/services-database-purge">https://freenode.net/news/services-database-purge</a></a> September, 2015] Freenode conducted a purge of all nicks not used within the last 120 days by the owner of the nick. Given that, most if not all nicks listed on that page are deregistered and belonging to no one, making the page inaccurate and out of date. Additionally, the arbitrary High/Medium/Low levels are no longer accurate given the majority of people who own those nicks are no longer on IRC daily. This page is inaccurate, obsolete, and irrelevant in a time where literally nobody uses IRC. [[User:TechFilmer|<b><span style="color:black">Srijay K</span></b>]] - [[User talk:TechFilmer|<span style="color:black">TechFilmer</span>]]  03:10, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} Even though there is not much information about Salai, I think that they will give us more information in "The Shadow of Kyoshi", so the article will be able to be expanded later on. If [[Yangchen's predecessor]] has his own article, then I think Salai should too. [[User:KrazyKarma|KrazyKarma]] <small>([[Message Wall:KrazyKarma|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/KrazyKarma|contribs]])</small> 19:08, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} The IRC isn't used anymore and the article no longer applies per the reasons stated. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 02:26, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
+:If sufficiently more information on Salai is released in ''The Shadow of Kyoshi'', then the article can be recreated and expanded as is appropriate. However, based on the single mention we have right now, there is not enough to warrant an article. It is also not because another Avatar has an article that ''every'' Avatar should; decisions for whether an article should be kept are based on the subject of the article. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 19:15, March 30, 2020 (UTC)
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+{{Vote delete}} I believe that this article should be deleted because there is just not enough information to justify it being kept. Almost all of the information contained in the article is covered in the [[United Forces]] article and the island is only mentioned twice in The Legend of Korra. There is a possibility that we will learn more about Red Sand Island in ''[[The Shadow of Kyoshi]]'', but the book’s release is still over two months away and there is no guarantee that we will learn more about the island in the novel anyway. If more information about Red Sand Island is released in the future, we can recreate the article, but for now, I think it should be deleted. [[User:Aang on a sec|Aang on a sec]] <small> ([[User talk:Aang on a sec|Need help with discussions?]]) </small> 09:41, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} All of the relevant information here is already posted on the Red Lotus's article, this article is unnecessary and unappealing. In the past, articles without any real information other than their existence being known (such as General Shu or Ilah) have been deleted, and I feel like this article should be deleted as well. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 02:32, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
+{{Vote keep}} My opinion on this matter has not changed. I just think that we should keep the article until ''The Shadow of Kyoshi'' is released (two months is not much time); what harm is done by waiting until then? I simply see no reason to delete it and then recreate it if we could just wait a bit and then just keep / delete it. [[User:DyingFlameTsui|DyingFlameTsui]] <small>([[Message Wall:DyingFlameTsui|wall]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingFlameTsui|contribs]])</small> 10:02, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} Aang on a sec pretty much covered my views on this. The criteria for keeping or deleting an article is based on how it is now, not how it might potentially be expanded in the future. Otherwise, that argument could be used to justify keeping any article that is too short. As is stands, the article is not long enough and I support deletion. {{User:HammerOfThor/Signature}} 10:11, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} I agree, for the reasons stated. --{{User:AvatarRokusGhost/Sig2}} 16:44, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
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-{{Vote delete}} I propose that the mango article be deleted for similar reasons that the apple article was deleted. Nothing on the page is unique to the Avatar world or in any significant way noteworthy. The only things on the page are that it can be made into a drink and that team Avatar saw it a couple of times. Over all a generally pointless article. {{User:FireFerret/Signature}} 02:26, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
+{{Vote delete}} Per Aang on a sec and HoT. There is just not enough information. We can keep what we have in a sandbox if there is a need to recreate it in the future. {{User:Dcasawang1/Signature}} 11:12, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
-{{Vote delete}} I agree. --{{User:AvatarRokusGhost/Sig2}} 16:45, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
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