Avatar Wiki:Profile quote change

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Changing the profile quote (the colored box at the top of a large majority of articles) is something people can often debate about. For that reason, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures

1. The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/his or her role in the series").
2. The proposer must then apply the {{PQC}} template to the top of the article for which a change is being proposed.
3. Discussion about the proposal can begin immediately. An administrator may, however, decide to retroactively reject the proposal if it is felt it does not meet the required standards.
4. If a discussion ensues and:
   1. no general consensus appears to develop between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward among the supported proposals;
   2. the people involved are all in agreement, and after five days no one else voices their objections, then the quote can be replaced without voting.
5. If #3 does not apply and, after five days, no one replies, then the quote can be replaced without discussion or voting.

In order to speed up the process, it can be beneficial to withhold your comments when you agree with the majority. Adding your own comment will reset the "five days without comment" waiting period for consensus.

Current proposals

Template:Images

Agree with the majority? Speed up consensus by not commenting. Discussion ends three days after the last post.

Current

Appa? What? Where? This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.

Proposed replacement #1

I haven't seem him in a while, okay? This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.

Proposed replacement #2

It looks just like him to me! This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.

Proposed replacement #3

You think I can't put up posters on my own?! This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.

I've never been a fan of the quote used on {{Images}}, as, unlike other notice templates, the current quote is not relevant to the notice's message for the need for more images. Hell, the original scene the quote and picture are from consists of Aang asking Old Sweepy about Appa's location, and the quote itself is "What island? Where's Appa?", not "Appa? What? Where?". I can't tell if the quote came from a different episode, the template's creator misremembered it, or wanted to make a knockoff version of Wookieepedia's template. Either way, the quote is completely irrelevant.

The three replacement proposals are all from the same episode as the original template's image, "Lake Laogai". The first two are from the scene where Katara criticizes Sokka's custom Appa drawings and Toph teases him about it, and the third is from soon after when a peeved Toph tries to put up a "Missing Appa" poster (albeit with the "Why? Because [...]" part omitted). I believe all of these are much better suited for the template's message, as the first two directly relate to not having good illustration of a subject, while the third directly relates to the act of putting up images. (Minor note: I switched the proposals' images from the original to one also better suited for the template's message, but I am not sure if that requires its own PIQ post or if that can be discussed here as well.)

Personally, my vote is for either #2 or #3. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 09:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

The current line is still the most appropriate to describe the purpose of the template, but I definitely concede to the fact that it doesn't seem to be a real quote of the series. As such, the first proposal would make the most sense as a replacement, as it is the only one actually alluding to a lack of visual representation. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 09:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Chit Sang

Current

None

Proposed replacement #1

"You're lucky I didn't rat you out, but my generosity comes with a price. I know you're planning another escape attempt, and I want in."

— Chit Sang to Sokka.

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
A proposal is not needed.
Please do not edit this discussion.

In the two-episode Boiling Rock arc, Chit Sang was one of the main characters. A prisoner who always claimed that he didn't do nothing wrong, he was an opportunistic person who wanted to escape the high-security prison. He did so by blackmailing Sokka, Zuko and Suki. After failing in the first attempt, he saved Sokka from being caught, knowing that he was planning another escape attempt. So, the proposal correctly depicts him as an opportunist. Yohan Mavely talk 08:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I have closed the discussion because you don't need to make a change proposal if there is no quote in the article. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Healing

Current

None

Proposed replacement #1

"You have healing abilities. The great benders of the Water Tribe sometimes have this ability."

— Jeong Jeong to Katara about her ability to heal.

Proposed replacement #2

"Any idiot can punch someone with water. I punch dying people's energy pathways with water such that they live for another handful of decades."

— Atuat to Kyoshi.

Proposed replacement #3

"Water brings healing and life."

— Jeong Jeong to Katara.

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #1 will be the new profile quote.
Please do not edit this discussion.

This quote was recently added to the page, which does not have a current quote, but then subsequently removed. I disagree with the reason for its removal, but to avoid an edit war I figured I would do it through PQC instead.

The reason I support adding this quote is that I think it encompasses many points on the healing ability, namely that those that can heal are considered "great benders" and it only appears "sometimes", and therefore serves as a good profile quote. There might be another quote that would work better, but I don't think this one is so poor that it should be removed. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 15:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose, as it probably conveys false information/impressions for the same reason HammerOfThor thinks that it is a good quote. As a matter of fact, healing has been repeatedly shown be a relatively widespread skill among waterbenders. Both LoK and the Kyoshi novels have pointed out that low-level healing (comparable to first aid) is practised by people who have little training in this regard; Kirima is a good example. In addition, all female waterbenders of the Northern Water Tribe were trained in healing before ATLA's time. That's already have of all benders of an entire people, making it a non-rare / non-master-level ability. Simply put, the information we have suggests that "healing abilities" are about as common as basic knowledge in medicine or first aid among waterbenders; what is rare are highly-skilled healers (just as in our world). Jeong Jeong's comment probably stemmed from his own limited information and biases in regards to admiring waterbending in general. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 15:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree, per reasons given. TophPaw Wall

I don't agree with DFT's conclusion. I would argue that Jeong Jeong's quote could be taken to be more like Roku's quote (coincidentally from the same episode) about having mastered the elements a thousand times, that even though we know that's factually false we also do agree to a point that it's just general hyperbole. I don't think Jeong Jeong would necessarily know how rare of a skill it is and I also don't think he's speaking factually to that. I support the quote. Zacatero • (Wall) •      17:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose, per DFT. I'm adding a second proposal. It's a shortened version of Atuat's current profile quote. It gets the point across of what healing can do, specially when performed by a proper master, and has a bit of how it's done as well by mentioning energy pathways. I dropped the teaching segregation part of the quote because while that was the case during Atuat's lifetime, it's no longer true during LoK. Roku's quote while accepted as hyperbole, isn't used as a profile quote anywhere as far as I know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I oppose both these quotes. Because if you think about the first, it's just plain. While yes, healing can be seen done by female waterbenders, it also says Water Tribe members. However, let's not forget that there are waterbenders who weren't born in any of the three major Water Tribe territories, but do belong to that tribe, mostly during the post-ATLA era. I may be wrong, so you can correct me. For the second, it isn't guaranteed that by using healing one can live for a few more decades, even if it is said to. Healing can be used to heal injuries which can save people, but how can it extend one's life? Simply put, if an injury is grave, then the person can't be saved, unless the spirit water is used, as seen in ATLA, during Jet's last moments, Katara tried to save him but couldn't heal his internal injuries, while Aang was revived with the help of spirit water. Additionally, scars can't be healed, unless, once again, spirit water is used, though it wasn't confirmed physically or guaranteed. Also, let's not forget water can also be used to spiritually heal a person. However, in TLOK, fire was also used for some sort of healing, but generally it was used to detect dark spirits inside one's body and detect chi paths. So, firebenders who know healing (the Bhanti) play a part too. So, both quotes just tell us about waterbenders. We, either have to find a quote that credits both waterbending and firebending healers, or one that doesn't involve mentioning a particular type of people. So, probably, the one I have picked does makes sense. Water brings healing and life just tells that water can heal and save people, either physically or spiritually. But if there is objection, then I'm fine with it. Yohan Mavely talk 08:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose proposal 3. It has the same generic, bland quality of the first quote. Your arguments also fall short. Even if one isn't born in a Water Tribe, to be a waterbender, one would need to be at least partially of Water Tribe ethnicity, so in a way, they're still from the Water Tribes. You're also not getting the point of what Atuat is saying, she's saying that she's so good a healer that people get to carry on living full lives after she brings them back from the brink of death. It's not an artificial lifespan expansion. In no way it implies that healing will always work either, it's an example of the best case scenario. And the healing being mentioned here, the one that is the point of the article is waterbending healing. The firebending technique is irrelevant to this topic. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think either of proposals #2 or 3 are good choices. The second is a quote about a character and one very specific aspect of healing, whereas the profile quote should be about healing as a skill more generally. The third says nothing about healing itself, and is more a quote about how water is perceived in the Avatar world. My support is still for proposal #1. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)