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Changing the profile quote (the colored box at the top of a large majority of articles) is something people can often debate about. For that reason, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures[]

  1. The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/his or her role in the series").
  2. The proposer must then apply the {{PQC}} template to the top of the article for which a change is being proposed.
  3. Discussion about the proposal can begin immediately. An administrator may, however, decide to retroactively reject the proposal if it is felt it does not meet the required standards.
  4. If a discussion ensues and:
    1. there is unanimous agreement among all commenters, then the quote can be replaced three days after the proposal was made
    2. there is a majority consensus in favour of one proposal and no comment has been made for three days, then the quote can be replaced
    3. there is no clear consensus between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward among the supported proposals
  5. If the proposal is not rejected and, after three days, no one replies, then the quote can be replaced without discussion or voting.

In order to speed up the process, it can be beneficial to withhold your comments when you agree with the majority. Adding your own comment will reset the "three days without comment" waiting period for consensus.

Current proposals[]

Netflix:Masks[]

Current
Proposed replacement #1
Proposed replacement #2
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This may be the longest quote of Iroh narrated almost at the end of the episode, but I think this may be suitable based on the episode title. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 08:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not against the quote perse, but I'm a bit put off by the length, especially as the first thing readers will see at the top of the page. Lady Lostris / 9?cb=20210808202057 SOAP 08:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Given the name of the episode, a quote that includes the work "masks" would be good, but I also agree with Lostris that the proposed quote is too long. I have included a second proposal pulling specific sentences from the quote to make it a better length while still giving the same intention. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 10:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm fine with the second proposal as long as there's no any dialogue pause or longer quote. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Tyro[]

Current
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I think this is better suggestion Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 08:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a reason as to why you think it is better. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 11:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
The reason I think it's better because after Tyro inspired the earthbender even being impriosned before Katara persuaded to fight back the Fire Nation. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 07:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
That seems like a better argument for the current quote though. Tyro was imprisoned because he fought back when Fire Nation first invaded. Your proposal is something Tyro only says after they win the rebellion at the rig, therefore something he did after Katara inspired them, not before. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 07:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I feel like both quotes pretty much convey the same sentiment, it's just a matter of "do we want a direct or indirect indication of Tyro being a courageous fighter?" Personally a prefer the current one more cause while the proposed has the benefit of being said by Tyro, the current conveys the same sentiment more eloquently and it's a partial quote. Lady Lostris / 9?cb=20210808202057 SOAP 13:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Omashu (episode)[]

Current
Proposed replacement #1
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I think this is a better detail about what happened to Omashu over 100 year during the war prior to the takeover by Azula at the end of season finale. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 19:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hiroshi Sato[]

Current
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There's no need to change quote but to add a reference. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 07:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

This would be consistent with the format we use for reference so it can just be changed, it doesn't need to go through PQC. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 12:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
yeah when I tried to change the edit with the ref on the quote template but it won't let me. so i thought i should put this in case. Kunoichi101 (wallcontribs) 20:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Mai[]

Current
"You broke my heart, Zuko! Twice! And the stupid thing is, I let you! Like a complete moron, I let you. Kei Lo likes me. A lot. Probably more than I like him. And that's exactly how I need it to be, because I won't ever let myself get hurt like that again."
— Mai to Zuko.[2].
Proposed replacement #1
"You know what they say, love hurts."
— Mai, referring to Zuko, while talking to Kei Lo.[3].
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The reason for this is the following. The previous quote takes place in Smoke and Shadow Part 2, which does not reflect the more recent developments in Smoke and Shadow Part 3. It does not reflect that Mai breaks up with Kei Lo, which is in contradiction to the statement "And that is exactly how I need it to be." The acknowledgement of her saying love hurts in the succeeding comic also is in opposition to "I won't let myself get hurt like that again." After reading through archive 9, Omni's comments, and the previous comments on the first proposed quote, I firmly believe that the profile quote should reflect the most recent and up to date fundamental developments in the character. Using a snippet from Smoke and Shadow Part 2 insinuates Mai is still with Kei Lo, and doesn't reflect her actions and conversations in the final S and S comic, where she acknowledges her vulnerability in love. Happy to discuss further and present more arguments given examples of other character profile quote changes that were approved. 66.30.232.44 15:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The SS2 quote does not contradict events of SS3 though. Mai having broken up with Kei Lo does not invalidate her "he needs to like me more than I like him" mindset. Mai having broken up with him is in fact consist with it, and one can break up with a significant other while still having feelings for them, that's exactly what Zuko did in ATLA to Mai. The proposal removes the nuance of her explanation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: I am not sure about the appropriate formatting here for a response to a proposal response. Please let me know how I can edit it so it is formatted correctly.

"Mai having broken up with Kei Lo does not invalidate her "he needs to like me more than I like him" mindset. Mai having broken up with him is in fact consist with it."

I do not understand your point here. Where does it explicitly say, in the canonical material, that Mai broke up with Kei Lo because he stopped liking her more than she liked him? I fail to see the correlation here.

Furthermore, according to the other profile quote changes I have observed, nuance in explanation is important while maintaining the current state of the character. This quote is not any more indicative of Mai's current state of character than "Love hurts." In the case of further contention, I have a few more recent quotes from the comics that highlight Mai's current character that I can bring forward, that don't solely focus on her love life.66.30.232.44 00:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC),

The point is that Mai liking Kei Lo less than he likes her makes sense with her being the one who broke up with him. I didn't say it was the cause, I said it's consistent with it, as in, it does not contradict or invalidate the quote, per your original argument. The current quote is more specific to Mai's attitude towards love because explains the why and how of it more than just "love hurts". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Netflix:Avatar: The Last Airbender[]

Current
"Time. Time is a funny thing. The past... the future... it all gets mixed up. There's only one way... to keep it straight. Always remember who you are."
— Monk Gyatso.[4][5]
Proposed replacement #1
"Master your element."
— Tagline for Avatar: The Last Airbender
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The current quote came from the first teaser trailer, and was at the time the only wording we really had from the show. The proposal, "Master your element", is a tagline that has appeared repeatedly within the marketing for the show, and for a quote that is intended the represent the whole series I think it works much better. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Support. This is what they've been using everywhere. Dcasawang1wall 21:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Zirin[]

Current
Proposed replacement #1
Proposed replacement #2
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Since the new comic has been published, we have gotten a better idea of Zirin's personality. The current quote does not reflect anything about her aside of being annoyed with Azula. In contrast, proposal 1 showcases Zirin's strong sense of camaraderie with her fellow Fire Warriors, and also provides some background on her life. Proposal 2 reflects Zirin's desire for the Fire Warriors to become a force of (as she sees it) social justice as well her unwillingness to put her comrades into harm's way. Which quote do you think most fitting? DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 17:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with either one, but having to pick one over the other, I'd go with #1. That comes across as more narrowly tailored to Zirin the person, where #2 feels like it's more about the group's purpose, despite both quotes being about the Fire Warriors. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Gun (Avatar)[]

Current
Proposed replacement #1
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Though we do not learn much new about Avatar Gun in The Legacy of Yangchen, the book does provide more quotes by them. I would argue that the proposal is better than the current quote for several reasons: It better reflects Gun's personality, contains their own words (albeit spoken by Yangchen), and it also seems to be a good overview of their struggles - as Gun having a poor view of humanity and their duties also partially explains why they disappeared after their main companion died, arguably the one thing Gun is currently best known for. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 09:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Support. This quote alone makes me wish for a Gun duology. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:16, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Jet[]

Current
Proposed replacement #1
Proposed replacement #2
Proposed replacement #3
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A character introducing themselves is the lamest quote to pick for the article possible. Although it mentions him being the Freedom Fighters leader, it's still is too vague.

I'd note that in the first proposal he is being a little delusional about his personal change and the third is from the point when he is sort of in the wrong, but they still fit better than just the verbal introduction.

I personally prefer the second one as it portraits Jet being more likeable than most people tend to give him credit for. It also hints on the reason he founded the rebel group in the first place. FelElia (wallcontribs) 15:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the current quote needs to be changed. Personally, I like both proposal 2 and 3, but I lean more toward 3. FelElia is correct regarding the fact that Jet's charisma and likeable side are often overseen, yet we must consider that his hatred of the Fire Nation always remained his main driving force. After all, even though he initially took a liking to Zuko, Jet turned on the refugee prince the minute he suspected he was of FN origin. Quote 2 might suggest that Jet was able to overlook people's origins, even though he was never able to do so. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 19:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Proposal 3 is more complete than proposal 2. Dcasawang1wall 03:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Support for proposal 3, per DFT's rationale. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yu Dao[]

Current
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This one a perfect summation of the city's history and its important role in the story. It also mentions it being the first colony, the only information provided by the current quote. I cut the next sentence ("Yu Dao now makes the finest metalwork ever produced, using both Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom expertise.") as it isn't that important and Zuko already did refer to the city's culture and population being mixed and I don't want a quote to be too long. FelElia (wallcontribs) 15:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 19:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Haru[]

Current
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Recently, an update was released for Avatar: Generations which -as one Youtuber put it- provided a more thorough characterization of Haru than even the show originally did. In this vein, the old quote has become outdated, as we now have numerous alternatives which give a much better perspective on Haru the person instead of Haru the plot device (which the original quote was arguably more reflective of, putting more focus on Katara than Haru).
Overall, I think that of all the new quotes, the proposal gives us the best overview. It showcases both Haru's perception of his own journey, but also his fears and aspirations. However, it is quite lengthy, even though I already cut out some parts. It also does not show us his usual, more upbeat attitude (though the quotes which would show this side of him are sadly all quite short or a bit cheesy, and would make him appear as superficial individual). DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 21:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. Don't mind the length at all. Having skimmed through the Prison Rig transcript, don't really see another viable alternative. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Taliriktug[]

Current
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The current quote, though reflecting Taliriktug's nature as a proudful warrior, does little to emphasize his arguably most important trait: Fanatical, familial loyalty to the Fifth Nation. The proposed quote would highlight this trait, while also providing more insighting into his self-view and line of thinking. The current quote also includes his lie about being a trader which can be confusing for readers. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 09:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

It's much more complete. I was about to make the same proposal. Dcasawang1wall 11:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Kyoshi[]

Current
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Current quote, despite being by Kyoshi herself, isn't very informative about Kyoshi herself. It's a very short summation of her opinion about Aang's complex query. Lao Ge's warning to Zoryu more clearly gets across the idea of how implacable Kyoshi is, how she is perceived by those who primarily know her as the Avatar. It mentions both how she's not one for politics, and stresses how strongly she'll wreck you for crossing her. I believe this alone suffices, but it could be extended with Lao Ge's next sentence, "Some people in my country like to believe Avatar Yangchen watches over them. But you, Fire Lord. I can assure you that Avatar Kyoshi watches over you." to underline the power dynamic. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Support. Dcasawang1wall 02:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Mai[]

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I think this is a better quote for Mai because it really shows her transformation over the course of the series, while at the same time, highlighting her loyalty to her friends and her love for Zuko. The previous quote only highlights her struggles and dramas in her relationship to Zuko, but I think Mai is much more than a simple love interest for Zuko for the mere purposes of adding a non-necessary love triangle. This quote, in my opinion, encapsulates many arcs: first, it shows how ultimately, Mai did not let Azula control her and did not let fear motivate her as it did all those years; in the end, she persevered and chose to stand up to Azula to save Zuko. This also shows how much courage and bravery she has, as despite knowing that such an act would be considered treachery by Azula and the rest of the Fire Nation, she chose to do it anyway knowing full well the consequences that would be involved. This also shows how much love she has for Zuko, but on a more positive and definitive note rather than the mixed feelings and ambiguity conveyed in the previous quote. This is also, in my opinion, one of Mai's most badass lines and probably her best line in the entire show, so I think it would be fitting to include it here. Most importantly, this quote is the start of Mai's redemption, and it really shows that when it came down to it, she chose the correct side and did not let her fear of Azula cloud her judgment. kyle11067 (wallcontribs) 15:18, 08 January 2023 (CST)

Disagree. This has been previously suggested, and rejected, and was in fact the quote the current one was changed from. My rationale remains the same that was suggested before, and can be looked up in archive 9. There have been no new developments to Mai's character that would require changing the quote either. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Spirit World[]

Current
"In the Spirit World, your emotions become your reality—especially for the Avatar, because you are the bridge between the two worlds."
Iroh to Korra.
Proposed replacement #1
"We don't do anything. There is no use to the Spirit World, and therein lies the great lesson. Here, you don't take. You don't anticipate or plan; you don't struggle. You don't worry about value gained and lost. You just exist. Like a spirit."
— Jetsun says this to Yangchen in response to Yangchen asking what do they do here in the Spirit World in "The First Step".
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I think this explains the spirit world a lot better than just talking about how emotions effect the world. This explains the purpose of this mysterious world. The vagueness of it further illuminates that. This shows the spirit world as a neutral body different than physical happenings. Sierra.queer (wallcontribs) 21:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Against it. This is a quote from a work that has not even been published yet, from a character we know very little, who we don't know if even holds the same views by the end of the book. It's also not quite accurate, as we've seen others doing exactly what Jetsun says they don't do in the spirit world. Current quote in turn is much more succinct, and from a character who's much more an authority on account of actually having become one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Per Omni, changing to a quote from an unpublished work is premature before we can see the full context the quote was made in, and so for that reason I will oppose the change. That said, taking the quote at face value, I do think it would serve as a better profile quote overall, since it focuses more on the Spirit World and gives greater depth, whereas the current is quite short and half of it is discussing the role of the Avatar. While there is value in being succinct, I think the current quote is too much so. Once the work is published and assuming the context makes it still applicable as a profile quote, I think it would be fine to re-propose this change. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 22:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Dragon[]

Current
""[Sozin] started the tradition of hunting dragons for glory. They were the ultimate firebenders. And if you could conquer one, your firebending talents would become legendary and you'd earn the honorary title, Dragon. The last great dragon was conquered long before I was born, by my uncle.""
— Zuko to Aang in "The Firebending Masters".
Proposed replacement #1
""I can't believe there are still living dragons. My uncle Iroh said he faced the last dragon and killed it.""
— Zuko to Aang and the Sun Warriors in "The Firebending Masters".
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With the new Dragon Hunts page and the original quote for dragons also being used there, I'd say that this is a more fitting quote for the new overall dragons. Especially as while the first quote explains the decline of dragons in detail, Zuko is in fact mistaken. The second quote encapsulates that many thought the dragons are dead, but that they're actually still alive in the "present day" of ATLA/LoK's main story. Kassilon (wallcontribs) 22:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the current is good, it talks more about the power of the dragons, where as the proposal is more about Iroh's view on dragons. Mako-probend-c890 degree Wall ContribsKorra-probendersprite 18:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I agree with the change. Dcasawang1wall 21:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle at Wulong Forest[]

Current
"Please listen to me. We don't have to fight. You have the power to end it here and stop what you're doing."
Avatar Aang to Phoenix King Ozai
Proposed replacement #1
"I do have the power. I have all the power in the world!"
Phoenix King Ozai to Avatar Aang
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I don't want the quote for the Battle at Wulong forest coming from Aang anymore. I want the quote to be from Ozai so badly as he was dangerously close to Fire Nation victory in the war. Had Ozai won, democracy would die out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiromichi (wallcontribs) 15:22, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

That the quote should be changed just because you don't want it to be attributed to Aang is not really a valid reason for replacement. Could you please amend your original proposal to include a sensible reason for why it should be replaced, for example why the original is not a good choice or the proposal is better. Otherwise, I will close this proposal. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 15:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to the quote to be from Ozai, because he was inches from winning the Hundred Year War for the Fire Nation. His quote I'm proposing is powerful and symbolic. Aang's quote on the page is too anemic and ineffectual and wouldn't be heard out anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiromichi (wallcontribs) 15:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I disagree with the change. The proposal only shows Ozai's power, while the current quote depicts both sides: how Aang prefers a peaceful solution and also how he acknowledges Ozai's power. Dcasawang1wall 16:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm so far the only one who opposes Aang's quote. Someone has to agree with Ozai's quote being on the page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiromichi (wallcontribs) This note was added on 17:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC).

I also disagree with the proposal. I don't think it adds any value for it to just be Ozai instead of Aang. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 17:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Disagree with proposal. Very lacking rationale. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Disagree too. Sure, Ozai was inches away from conquering the Earth Kingdom. But the current proposal has Aang requesting Ozai to end this chaotic plan as he was the only person who could stop it, which is, obviously, rejected by him since it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for him to conquer the world through the comet. The proposal is such that it seems like Ozai said this just once in ATLA. He could have possibly told this multiple times off screen, given his personality. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 20:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Your proposal is more to do with Ozai winning the war and less to do with the fight, so the current one is fine. Mako-probend-c890 degree Wall ContribsKorra-probendersprite 19:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Toph Beifong[]

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I think that this shows off how brash and rude she can be, how confident she is in her earthbending abilities, along with this line being far more iconic. Her former quote shows very little about her personality, and is also much less well-known or quoted. 🌿Jellybean Jade🌿Can you fix me? 12:30, 26 January 2022 (EST)

I like the proposal, as I agree that it shows of her more brash and confident personality, as well as showing that she's an outstanding Earth Bender, where as the current quote doesn't show off her personality very well. Mako-probend-c890 degree Wall ContribsKorra-probendersprite 18:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to ask, why hasn't this proposal been acted upon? Mako-probend-c890 degree Wall ContribsKorra-probendersprite 15:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Now that's a very good question. It's because normally when a proposal is made, the name of the page whose proposal is being made appears in the right list box. But, this time, for fanon and quote nominations, the names aren't appearing. There has to be some problem to the box. Another reason may be due to lesser no. of the wikians frequenting these days. But now that I have found it, as of now, I think the proposal suits more well, because this shows her naturally rude and proud side, which goes all the way to TLOK too. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 15:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
This proposal was likely not acted upon beacuse Jellybean Jade did not properly follow the directions in setting up this proposal. Part of the instructions clearly states adding {{PQC}} to the top of the article in question, which was not done. That being said, I disagree with this proposal. I think the current suits her overall character better. She's more than just a brash fighter. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 17:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Exactly, I think so as well, which is why I’d like the quote changed. The first quote shows less personality whereas the second shows stubbornness, pride, confidence, her ability to nickname, etc. 🌿Jellybean Jade🌿Can you fix me? 01:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the second is the best option, but looking on it now, the first is no better. It shows nothing more about Toph. I'd say we need a different one, personally. Support for neither. 🌀 Tibhod 🌀 2:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Tea[]

Current
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I think that my proposals show how tea is a very important thing to the speaker in a less comedic way, which also shows off the more love oriented culture many (such as Iroh) assosciate it with. Mako-probend-c890 degree Wall ContribsKorra-probendersprite 17:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Honestly I don't think the two proposals are "better" than the current. Like I can't see the benefit of either of those proposals brings that we don't get from the current. I vote to stay the same. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 05:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Template:Images[]

Current
Aang excited Appa? What? Where?
This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.
Proposed replacement #1
Aang's flyers I haven't seen him in a while, okay?
This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.
Proposed replacement #2
Aang's flyers It looks just like him to me!
This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.
Proposed replacement #3
Aang's flyers You think I can't put up posters on my own?!
This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.
Proposed replacement #4
Team Avatar discovers secret room He's not home. Or he's hiding in there. Or he's invisible!
This page lacks visual representations and needs one or more relevant images.
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I've never been a fan of the quote used on {{Images}}, as, unlike other notice templates, the current quote is not relevant to the notice's message for the need for more images. Hell, the original scene the quote and picture are from consists of Aang asking Old Sweepy about Appa's location, and the quote itself is "What island? Where's Appa?", not "Appa? What? Where?". I can't tell if the quote came from a different episode, the template's creator misremembered it, or wanted to make a knockoff version of Wookieepedia's template. Either way, the quote is completely irrelevant.

The three replacement proposals are all from the same episode as the original template's image, "Lake Laogai". The first two are from the scene where Katara criticizes Sokka's custom Appa drawings and Toph teases him about it, and the third is from soon after when a peeved Toph tries to put up a "Missing Appa" poster (albeit with the "Why? Because [...]" part omitted). I believe all of these are much better suited for the template's message, as the first two directly relate to not having good illustration of a subject, while the third directly relates to the act of putting up images. (Minor note: I switched the proposals' images from the original to one also better suited for the template's message, but I am not sure if that requires its own PIQ post or if that can be discussed here as well.)

Personally, my vote is for either #2 or #3. SorcererSupreme21 (wallcontribs) 09:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

The current line is still the most appropriate to describe the purpose of the template, but I definitely concede to the fact that it doesn't seem to be a real quote of the series. As such, the first proposal would make the most sense as a replacement, as it is the only one actually alluding to a lack of visual representation. Lady Lostris / 9?cb=20210808202057 SOAP 09:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
No other thoughts or opinions? If not then for the sake of discussion I will change my vote to #1 as well. SorcererSupreme21 (wallcontribs) 20:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Support for Proposal #1. The second proposal doesn't really convey the idea of images being "missing", and while I don't see anything really wrong with proposal #3 I think the intent is better served by proposal #1. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
The quote from Proposal #2 is already used in {{PIC}}. Also, if given a choice between keeping it the same or voting for #1, #2, or #3, I'd vote to keep it the same because quite honestly, I don't think any of the 3 proposed quotes actually make sense. Like yes, they're related to seeing things but I don't think they convey the same message as the current one (even if it is not a real quote). I added Proposal #4, I think this one fits more with the message of the original, while still being a real quote. (We may want to cut the quote down a little though, if we do go with #4) Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 21:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Proposal #4 works for me. Good find. I don't think that the quote's length is an issue as long as it remains in one line. SorcererSupreme21 (wallcontribs) 23:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I like Proposal #4. It conveys well that there aren't images. ...or that they're invisible. One or the other. Tibhod (wallcontribs) 3:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I like #1, because it serves to make a wikian realise that a particular page that's supposed to have an image doesn't have one, for longer time than it's supposed to be. #2 and #3 don't make sense to me, while #4, though correct, gives another meaning, especially for pages that don't have an image from any source, like some characters from the Kysohi Novels. So, I prefer #1. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 11:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Yohan Your concern about the ones that have no images doesn't really track here, given that the template has to be added manually. We wouldn't add that template to pages like the Kyoshi characters that have no visual references to begin with. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 15:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to say that #4 was to be used as a template for pages having no visual references. I meant to say that #4 looked like such, I wasn't proposing #4 to be used as such. I was trying to explain why I didn't favour #4. That's all. Sorry again if anybody didn't understand what I mean to say in my previous comment.Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 18:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I know which one you were referring to. I was saying that if it was a Kyoshi novel character, or somebody who already has no images to add, we wouldn't add that template in the first place to those pages. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 19:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
How will we reach a decision? Tibhod (wallcontribs) 3:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Personally, I dislike the image in Proposal #4, I know it's small, but it kind of makes as little sense as the current, it's not related to the quote nor does it have to do with images (I guess there's an empty space? So 'invisible' might work?). I think the image of Aang holding up posters works perfectly, and I like the quote on Proposal #1, it conveys the idea that in the article, something needs to be seen that isn't present. (Added Lady Lostris & HammerOfThor to the vote section also, hope this is OK).RubbleRubble (wallcontribs) 09:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Please don't add votes for other users without their permission. Even if they have been part of the discussion and expressed a particular view, it is for them to add their own vote. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 10:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Alrighty, didn't know 'voting' was considered seperate, thought you 'expressive your particular view' earlier was you voting, Apologies. RubbleRubble (wallcontribs) 11:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Voting[]

The current standing is a tie between Proposal #1 and Proposal #4. Please vote below by adding # ~~~~ beneath the proposal you would like to vote for. Voting will end after two weeks, or five days with no new vote.

Proposal #1[]
  1. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 08:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  2. RubbleRubble (wallcontribs) 09:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  3. Even with the addition of proposal #4, I stand by my original view that this is the better option. I think it does a good job on conveying the idea that visual representation is missing, which is what the template is intended for, whereas proposal #4 seems to just suggest something more generally is missing. Therefore, I think it is better to go with the option that is more specific to the intent of the template, than one that is more general. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 10:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  4. The quote fits the purpose better. Dcasawang1wall 15:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
  5. Clearly superior. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 00:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Proposal #4[]
  1. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 22:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
  2. SorcererSupreme21 (wallcontribs) 20:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
  3. 🌀 Tibhod 🌀 4:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Chit Sang[]

Current

None

Proposed replacement #1
"You're lucky I didn't rat you out, but my generosity comes with a price. I know you're planning another escape attempt, and I want in."
— Chit Sang to Sokka.
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:

A proposal is not needed.

Please do not edit this discussion.


In the two-episode Boiling Rock arc, Chit Sang was one of the main characters. A prisoner who always claimed that he didn't do nothing wrong, he was an opportunistic person who wanted to escape the high-security prison. He did so by blackmailing Sokka, Zuko and Suki. After failing in the first attempt, he saved Sokka from being caught, knowing that he was planning another escape attempt. So, the proposal correctly depicts him as an opportunist. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 08:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I have closed the discussion because you don't need to make a change proposal if there is no quote in the article. Dcasawang1wall 00:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Healing[]

Current

None

Proposed replacement #1
"You have healing abilities. The great benders of the Water Tribe sometimes have this ability."
Jeong Jeong to Katara about her ability to heal.
Proposed replacement #2
"Any idiot can punch someone with water. I punch dying people's energy pathways with water such that they live for another handful of decades."
— Atuat to Kyoshi.
Proposed replacement #3
"Water brings healing and life."
Jeong Jeong to Katara.
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:

Proposal #1 will be the new profile quote.

Please do not edit this discussion.


This quote was recently added to the page, which does not have a current quote, but then subsequently removed. I disagree with the reason for its removal, but to avoid an edit war I figured I would do it through PQC instead.

The reason I support adding this quote is that I think it encompasses many points on the healing ability, namely that those that can heal are considered "great benders" and it only appears "sometimes", and therefore serves as a good profile quote. There might be another quote that would work better, but I don't think this one is so poor that it should be removed. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 15:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose, as it probably conveys false information/impressions for the same reason HammerOfThor thinks that it is a good quote. As a matter of fact, healing has been repeatedly shown be a relatively widespread skill among waterbenders. Both LoK and the Kyoshi novels have pointed out that low-level healing (comparable to first aid) is practised by people who have little training in this regard; Kirima is a good example. In addition, all female waterbenders of the Northern Water Tribe were trained in healing before ATLA's time. That's already have of all benders of an entire people, making it a non-rare / non-master-level ability. Simply put, the information we have suggests that "healing abilities" are about as common as basic knowledge in medicine or first aid among waterbenders; what is rare are highly-skilled healers (just as in our world). Jeong Jeong's comment probably stemmed from his own limited information and biases in regards to admiring waterbending in general. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 15:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I agree, per reasons given. TophPaw Wall
I don't agree with DFT's conclusion. I would argue that Jeong Jeong's quote could be taken to be more like Roku's quote (coincidentally from the same episode) about having mastered the elements a thousand times, that even though we know that's factually false we also do agree to a point that it's just general hyperbole. I don't think Jeong Jeong would necessarily know how rare of a skill it is and I also don't think he's speaking factually to that. I support the quote. Zacatero • (Wall) • 15  20  15 17:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Oppose, per DFT. I'm adding a second proposal. It's a shortened version of Atuat's current profile quote. It gets the point across of what healing can do, specially when performed by a proper master, and has a bit of how it's done as well by mentioning energy pathways. I dropped the teaching segregation part of the quote because while that was the case during Atuat's lifetime, it's no longer true during LoK. Roku's quote while accepted as hyperbole, isn't used as a profile quote anywhere as far as I know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I oppose both these quotes. Because if you think about the first, it's just plain. While yes, healing can be seen done by female waterbenders, it also says Water Tribe members. However, let's not forget that there are waterbenders who weren't born in any of the three major Water Tribe territories, but do belong to that tribe, mostly during the post-ATLA era. I may be wrong, so you can correct me. For the second, it isn't guaranteed that by using healing one can live for a few more decades, even if it is said to. Healing can be used to heal injuries which can save people, but how can it extend one's life? Simply put, if an injury is grave, then the person can't be saved, unless the spirit water is used, as seen in ATLA, during Jet's last moments, Katara tried to save him but couldn't heal his internal injuries, while Aang was revived with the help of spirit water. Additionally, scars can't be healed, unless, once again, spirit water is used, though it wasn't confirmed physically or guaranteed. Also, let's not forget water can also be used to spiritually heal a person. However, in TLOK, fire was also used for some sort of healing, but generally it was used to detect dark spirits inside one's body and detect chi paths. So, firebenders who know healing (the Bhanti) play a part too. So, both quotes just tell us about waterbenders. We, either have to find a quote that credits both waterbending and firebending healers, or one that doesn't involve mentioning a particular type of people. So, probably, the one I have picked does makes sense. Water brings healing and life just tells that water can heal and save people, either physically or spiritually. But if there is objection, then I'm fine with it. Yohan Mavely talkAppa Face (Signature Use) 08:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Oppose proposal 3. It has the same generic, bland quality of the first quote. Your arguments also fall short. Even if one isn't born in a Water Tribe, to be a waterbender, one would need to be at least partially of Water Tribe ethnicity, so in a way, they're still from the Water Tribes. You're also not getting the point of what Atuat is saying, she's saying that she's so good a healer that people get to carry on living full lives after she brings them back from the brink of death. It's not an artificial lifespan expansion. In no way it implies that healing will always work either, it's an example of the best case scenario. And the healing being mentioned here, the one that is the point of the article is waterbending healing. The firebending technique is irrelevant to this topic. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think either of proposals #2 or 3 are good choices. The second is a quote about a character and one very specific aspect of healing, whereas the profile quote should be about healing as a skill more generally. The third says nothing about healing itself, and is more a quote about how water is perceived in the Avatar world. My support is still for proposal #1. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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