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Changing the profile image (the image in the article's infobox, or the top image to the right of the introduction for a large majority of articles) is one of the most common proposed changes to articles on Avatar Wiki. Due to the regularity with which profile image changes are suggested, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures

1. The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/plot").
2. The proposer must then apply the {{PIC}} template to the top of the article for which a change is being proposed.
3. Discussion about the proposal can begin immediately. An administrator may, however, decide to retroactively reject the proposal if it is felt it does not meet the required standards.
4. If a discussion ensues and:
   1. no general consensus appears to develop between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward among the supported proposals;
   2. the people involved are all in agreement and after five days no one else voices their objections, then the image can be replaced without voting.
5. The consensus of the proposal is carried out after five days, starting from the last relevant comment in the discussion.
   • In the case of proposals that regard the image of a newly created page (i.e. one less than a week old), the proposal is carried out after 24 hours if every participant is in agreement. If at least one user disagrees, the discussion will carry on for at least five days.

In order to speed up the process, it can be beneficial to withhold your comments when you agree with the majority. Adding your own comment will reset the "five days without comment" waiting period for consensus.

Current proposals

Hiroshi Sato

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Current image

Hiroshi proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

The current image of Hiroshi is pretty outdated. His appearance at the time of his death has fundamentally changed, as his hair has turned fully white, and this should be reflected in his profile image. While not absolutely perfect, I do find that the image is also of a similar quality and arguably exceeds the current image. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 00:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I support the change for the same reasons. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Totally agree with the proposal. Zacatero • (Wall) •      00:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I too, agree with the proposal. Yohan Mavely talk 16:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Mmm, I don't agree actually. Yes, his last appearance was vastly different, Hiroshi is most known for his B1 story line and corresponding appearance. The 5 scenes (randomly picked number, I didn't actually count) he has in B4 shouldn't overrule that imo. He's also in his prison outfit. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 08:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

This was actually proposed seven years ago and I think the same argument stands. Hiroshi was far more recognizable as the Book 1 antagonist; it's the same reason Zaheer's picture is not him from Book 4. – Srijay K • TechFilmer 17:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ha, let me indeed reiterate what I said 7 years ago: the infobox is about displaying the "most character defining appearance". This docile, about to cry, wearing a prison outfit Hiroshi is not that. While this version deserves to be on the page--and he is in the body of the text--it shouldn't be his number 1 defining image, as it does not follow our own standard of what a good infobox image is supposed to be. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 11:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

By that logic, I would have to disagree with you both. Yes, obviously, Hiroshi Sato's Book 1 plot was a series of "character-defining" moments, but I would argue that his radical bender-ism(?) was second to the fact that he truly believed what he was doing was the right thing to protect his family, to say the least, so his return in Book 4 is even more "character-defining" because the lad sacrificed his life to give his daughter and her allies a fighting chance, showing the massive growth he underwent between the seasons. If that's not "character-defining", then I don't know what is. My vote is to change the profile image. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 17:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Noren

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Ikem.png

Current image

Noren Proposal1.jpg

Proposed replacement #1

Noren proposal 2.png

Proposed replacement #2

Noren proposal 3.png

Proposed replacement #3

Noren proposal 4.png

Proposed replacement #4

Noren proposal 5.png

Proposed replacement #5

The current image is of a flashback and shows a younger Noren (Actually, Ikem before his face change). However, since Noren didn't look like this (the current image) after the face change, it is better to replace the current with a photo that shows the current Noren. So this proposal is better in terms of color and quality. Also, this image has Noren showing his cheerfulness which makes it better than the current. Regardless, the current must be changed because we can't show Noren with his original face. Yohan Mavely talk 18:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I support the proposal for the reasons given. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 20:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the change for the same reasons, but I uploaded a second proposal that is the same scene but with better quality in my opinon. Dcasawang1 • wall 20:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the reasons for the change, but isn't there a better image? He looks slightly deranged to me. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Added two new options from The Search Part Two, the first from the same page as Yohan Mavely's first two proposals, showing Noren with a more amused face, and the second from later in the comic in his home, showing Noren with a more neutral face. Not quite sure which one I prefer, but at least they don't depict Noren as "slightly deranged". SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Scratch that indecision, I personally prefer #4. Most head-on and has a decent compromise between facial expression and lighting. If #3 wasn't from a scene at sunset and showing Noren at an over-the-shoulder angle, I would prefer it, but alas... SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Proposal #4. I really don't like the way his face looks in proposals #1, #2, and #3. Zacatero • (Wall) •      04:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

None of the proposals are ideal, but I think #4 seems the least objectionable. His expression in #1 and #2 is odd, and for #3 the angle of his head is strange and the background elements are somewhat distracting. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 11:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Just added a new proposal (#5) from Smoke and Shadow. Also not without problems, but also seems better than #1, #2, and #3 for, though of course, #4 would be nice, too. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 14:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I would support #5 if Kiyi wasn't so prominent in the picture. Seems more like something you would find in the text body than the infobox portrait, so my vote is still on #4. HammerOfThor put it well. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 18:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 4 is the most neutral expression and with least distracting elements. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I still prefer #1 or #2, as #3 is distracting while #4 and #5 seem less successful in reflecting his warm and outgoing side which is a defining trait of his. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I still prefer proposal 1, but also support proposal 4, once again, I was planning to upload this as well before (I don't understand how other community members are uploading the ones I initially intended to upload).

Senna

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Current image

Senna Proposal1.png

Proposed replacement #1

Senna Proposal2.png

Proposed replacement #2

Senna Proposal3.png

Proposed replacement #3

Senna proposal 4.png

Proposed replacement #4

Senna proposal 5.png

Proposed replacement #5

The current image shows a younger Senna, four years after her marriage to Tonraq. However, by the time of The Legend of Korra, she has become slightly older. I managed to find an episode where her face is better shown, though by cropping them, the quality of the pictures is slightly lower than that of the current image. I am not saying that it is necessary to replace the current but having an image of her in her older years is better to some extent. However, all three proposals are taken at the same part of the episode, the latter two being almost identical but the last one shows a little more of her winter wear. I am supporting all the proposals, though I think proposals 1 and 2 are better. Yohan Mavely talk 18:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I vote we keep the current one. Here's the issue: Ideals don't win over quality. Ideally, we would show Senna later in life than the 23 seconds that she's that age, but if there's no quality image to fit that ideal, then it makes little sense to use it. The ones you have, don't have the level of detail that the current one does, so it makes more sense to stick with the quality one. Zacatero • (Wall) •      19:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I actually agree with your reasons, I knew such answers would come. I am aware that they are of slightly less quality. I'll just wait for others' responses. I will agree to the community consensus whether it is yes or no. Yohan Mavely talk 19:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The quality of the current image is significantly better than the proposals, and her change in appearance is so minor that I don't think a change is needed. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

While I agree about the current proposals being poor quality, how about this new one I've added (proposal #4)? Although she looks slightly anxious, the expression is relatively neutral, and the quality's a bit better than the current one in my opinion (her face was taking up half the screen in the new shot), plus, as was intended by the original 3 proposals, it shows her when Korra is grown up. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 13:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with what has been said about the first 3 proposals. I don't see anything wrong with the current picture, so if it was to be changed, I would do it only because of the clothes. I have added an alternative to proposal 4 to have more options to choose from, where she is also wearing a more current outfit. Dcasawang1 • wall 15:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I am placing my vote for proposal #4. Zacatero • (Wall) •      17:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Neutral — - I am actually neutral about the current image, proposal 4 and proposal 5. To be truthful, I myself was planning to add the latter two proposals, but both of them show an anxious Senna, which was the reason I refrained myself from uploading these pics. I like the current image but the other proposals show a current Senna, proposal 4 shows a better close-up of Senna's face and proposal 5 shows her with recent clothing but the image doesn't have a good close-up of Senna's face. Tonraq's profile image is perfefct because he is well known for his hot-headed and serious nature, while Senna has a motherly nature but in most scenes depicting her, she is always anxious. But being a parent, she is anxious about her daughter. Nevertheless, the current image depicts her happiness. Regardless, to me, I am confused to choose which. Yohan Mavely talk 19:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Voting

No consensus was reached, so a community vote will be held below to determine the result. The options will be: Current image, Proposal #4, and Proposal #5, since they received votes above.

The vote will close after two weeks or 5 days with no vote made.

Current image

1. Support — Even with the addition of #4 and #5, I still think the current image is the best. The expression in both looks very odd (she seems anxious or upset about something, and I don't think that suits her all that well) and the angle of #5 also isn't great and I don't think it works well as a profile image. Additionally, the change in her appearance (either in her clothes or her face) is so minor and barely noticeable that I don't see a change is needed, and certainly not to overcome the problems of the other proposals. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 21:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Support — Agree with Thor. Don't care for the first three as they are far too zoomed-in on her face, not a fan of her expression in #4, and #5 is at this really weird angle, so unless another alternative is added without these problems, I think keeping the current is the best way to go. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 02:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal #4

1. Support — Zacatero • (Wall) •      00:24, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Support — Kassilon (wall • contribs) 00:29, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
3. Support — Aang on a sec 19:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal #5

1. Support — Dcasawang1 • wall 00:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
2. Support — This image gives a more clear view of Senna so I support it more. Hanabi-chan (wall • contribs) 02:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Kiyi

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #2 will be used
Please do not edit this discussion.

Current image

Kiyi proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

Kiyi proposal 2.png

Proposed replacement #2

Kiyi proposal 3.png

Proposed replacement #3

While this proposal isn't perfect due to Noren in the background and the speech bubble, it's a lot better than what we have now, where the image is very low poly, and certainly warrants being replaced by a higher resolution image. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 03:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree, I think the proposal is far better than the current one which very much lacks quality. Zacatero • (Wall) •      03:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I just added a second proposal just in case people find it better. Personally I do like proposal #1 a bit better, but proposal #2 would be nice; we just definitely need to get rid of the current one. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 03:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Definitely. None are ideal, but since they all have issues, the quality of #1 is most appealing to me. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 09:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I am supporting proposal #2, simply because proposal 1 doesn't properly show her attire and the dialogue bubble is just blocking her hair, while proposal 2 better shows her attire and the smile on her face makes Kiyi adorable in this proposal. But in this proposal, Zuko's scar is simply distracting at the same time and how it is depicted makes me want to have the proposal cropped to just show Kiyi. Yohan Mavely talk 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I support #2 as well, as I think that her expression in #1 is distracting. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 20:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Just added #3. Also not ideal, but the expression is more muted than #1, and the quality is higher than the current image and #2.Kassilon (wall • contribs) 14:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Suyin Beifong

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be kept
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Current image

Suyin proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

This was initially asked on Discord by a different user, but it never made it's way here. I think the proposed image overall fits better with Suyin and her personality. Zacatero • (Wall) •      02:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't like that she isn't wearing her full Metal Clan outfit, but she does look evil in the current picture. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't find the proposal to reflect her personality at all. I feel like she's a but demure in the proposal, which is not how she is at all. She's also not wearing her signature clothing, so I support the current image (I don't think she looks evil at all). Lady Lostris /  SOAP 09:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with LL, personally. I never got "evil" vibes from her current picture, but instead more along the lines of "sarcastic"/"flippant" (if that makes sense), which is more in line with her character, especially in Su's younger years, so my vote is to keep the current. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Ho Tun

Current image

Ho Tun proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 will be the new picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

I have never liked Ho Tun's current profile picture because it shows half of the other characters' heard. And now that TBMA is out and we know how much Ho Tun has changed, I believe that the current "doom face" picture does not represent him anymore. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

My only qualm with the proposal is that he's not looking toward the "camera" but it's still leagues better than the current one so I agree. Zacatero • (Wall) •      04:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Dave Scheidt

Current image

Dave Scheidt proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 will be the new picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Same with this one. Their cartoonish portrait for their actual face. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this one as well Zacatero • (Wall) •      04:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Little Corvus

Current image

Little Corvus proposal.png

Proposed replacement #1

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 will be the new picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Simple reasoning: their Twitter/Instagram profile picture (possibly their logo) for their actual face. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree Zacatero • (Wall) •      03:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)