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Changing the profile image (the image in the article's infobox, or the top image to the right of the introduction for a large majority of articles) is one of the most common proposed changes to articles on Avatar Wiki. Due to the regularity with which profile image changes are suggested, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures

The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/plot").
The proposer must then apply the {{PIC}} template to the top of the article for which a change is being proposed.
Discussion about the proposal can begin immediately. An administrator may, however, decide to retroactively reject the proposal if it is felt it does not meet the required standards.
If a discussion ensues and:
1. no general consensus appears to develop between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward among the supported proposals;
2. the people involved are all in agreement and after five days no one else voices their objections, then the image can be replaced without voting.
The consensus of the proposal is carried out after five days, starting from the last relevant comment in the discussion.
- In the case of proposals that regard the image of a newly created page (i.e. one less than a week old), the proposal is carried out after 24 hours if every participant is in agreement. If at least one user disagrees, the discussion will carry on for at least five days.

In order to speed up the process, it can be beneficial to withhold your comments when you agree with the majority. Adding your own comment will reset the "five days without comment" waiting period for consensus.

Current proposals

Energybending

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The current image, while very iconic, has something that isn't that good for an infobox image, the depiction it makes of the subject is very non-standard. The last time an image for energybending was proposed (archive 14), after Book One: Air had aired, the argument made was that the LoK image proposals lacked details, and the one of Aang energybending Ozai also showed the energy. The most consistently depicted aspect of energybending is the use to give/take another's bending. Since Book One: Air, we've seen more instances of this application, and most of them, even in the more stylised Beginnings episodes, show that the extra glow when the lion turtle energybent Aang, and Aang energybent Ozai are no longer the standard, more common look of that action. Aang energybending Yakone didn't look like that, Korra energybending Lin didn't look that, Aang energybending Korra didn't look like that. The two proposals I put forward have no non-standard elements in them. It's just the bender, the energy, and the bent. They lack the outlier glow from AtLA, there's no flashback filter from Aang bending Yakone, they don't have the different animation style from the Beginnings episodes, they don't have the different look from when Aang did as a spirit. I'm more partial to proposal 1, since that better depicts Korra as the bender, and while Lin is seen from the back, it's clear she the one being energybent, and she is recognizable enough even from behind. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I really like both Proposal #1 and #2. But if I have to pick one, I agree that #1 is better because it shows Korra as the energybender. Zacatero • (Wall) •

00:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't like any of the proposals. The reason is obvious, the current is iconic as it was a 'battle between two energies', the last resort to end Ozai's reign without killing him. But, as said by Omnibender, this technique has evolved, in terms of appearance, as seen in TLOK. So, a new profile image is needed. Hence, an image showing either taking away bending or restoring bending. In TLOK, restoring bending was the most prominent. The two proposals are just so different from the current, I don't like #2, since it doesn't show the one bending energy, i.e. Korra. Still, #1 is just shown, to me, from a different angle. Frankly speaking, both proposals just show the face of either the energybender or the one whose energy is being bent. Actually, for energybending, an image is needed showing both faces. So, I think the proposal I have added fits the bill. This one shows both Korra's and Aang's faces, though one-sided. Additionally, the glowing energy is seen, reprising the one shown in the current. Yohan Mavely talk

11:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Showing both faces isn't strictly necessary, proposal one depicts the two points one touches when energybending just fine. And as I mentioned, the glowing energy in Aang energybending Korra is a non-standard depiction, the main point why I'm suggestion a new one, not to mention a non-standard use since it's being used by a spirit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I had forgotten that Aang wasn't energybending Korra physically, but as a spirit. Yes, it's true that you can't show an image showing a spirit utilising the technique. So, I'm dropping my idea. But still, I can't understand why I still feel that the two proposals you made aren't convincing to me.Yohan Mavely talk

17:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the Aang vs Ozai was the FIRST time it happened, but that visual of energybending is rather outdated, considering in Korra they simply just go into the Avatar state to energybend, in all cases (Aang to Korra, Korra to Lin, Aang to Yakone). I still cast my vote to Proposal #1. Zacatero • (Wall) • 17:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Cavehopper

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Shows the anatomy and detail of the creature. We can hardly see anything about the Cave Hoppers in the current image - the image should be of the Cave Hopper, not Toph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TophPaw (wall • contribs) 13:06, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Support per the reasons given. In the current image, they are so small it is almost impossible to distinguish any details. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 15:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Mae Whitman

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The current image for Mae Whitman reflects a much younger version of herself, and as we have replaced outdated pictures for Jessie Flower and Zach Tyler Eisen, we ought to do so for her. The proposal is also a much more flattering photo of her.Kassilon (wall • contribs) 17:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Support, per the reasons given. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 17:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal. Zacatero • (Wall) •

18:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree too. Yohan Mavely talk

18:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

John O'Bryan

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Pretty straightforward. No text on screen and a better facial expression from O'Bryan. – Tech Filmer🍍 15:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Support. Both have the downside that he looks to be in the middle of speaking, so the lack of text in the proposal is what swings it for me. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 17:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the change. Dcasawang1 • wall 22:10, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yung

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I am bringing up another profile image proposal, this time, for one of the new airbenders, Yung. The reason is obvious - the current image shows Yung in his prisoner clothes, showing his fearful side, prior to his rescue by Team Avatar. The proposed image shows Yung in his airbender clothes, participating in Jinora's anointment ceremony, with a smile on his face. This is the only proper image I could find of this airbender, since he appeared in just four episodes, in person, and all of them being in Book Three. So it makes sense that the proposal fits the bill as the new profile image. Yohan Mavely talk 18:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I like the proposal. I think it checks all the boxes. My only concern is that it looks lower quality than the current. Is there any way that image could be a better quality image? Zacatero • (Wall) •

19:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

As usual, lower quality. The problem is that whenever I edit pics to be 300px, either by cropping or re-sizing, the quality is lowered. I even try to make the screen bigger and get a better quality picture, but it needs resizing, hence the same problem. I take pics from HD videos, but they end up being of lower quality than HD. Do you have any ideas of taking pics properly without much editing? Yohan Mavely talk

19:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I have replaced the proposed image with a better quality image. Is it actually better? If not, then I'll revert this pic back to original. Yohan Mavely talk

20:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it does look better now. Zacatero • (Wall) •

20:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I supporting changing the image per the reasons given. I would add however that the new version at 218px width is too small; generally it should be at least 300px, particular if intended to be used for an infobox. I think the quality of the previous version was fine, so would suggest changing it back to that. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Not again! As expected, one will not agree if the image isn't at least 300 px. I did this because I thought that resizing below 300 px, in case of images taken while full screen (in this case, YouTube), would give a better quality image. Yung was looking small in the normal screen anyways, so I can't help it. By resizing to a large extent means lowering the quality a lot. So I cropped the image at full screen, while making sure that the screen isn't zoomed either. This proves that if a good picture is found, but is of lower quality, it's rejected. That's what usually happens in PIC. This is my most recurring problem. Yohan Mavely talk

20:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

And yes, if both you and Zacatero agree, then I'll revert it. Otherwise, it will be my decision whether to change or not, as per your thoughts. Yohan Mavely talk

20:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

As I said, I don't believe the original version was of a low quality. The difference for this proposal to others is that the image is not so small to be unusable; a minor adjustment and it will be fine. But to be clear, 218px is not an acceptable size for an infobox image. The options are to either revert back to the original, or the proposal will be retroactively rejected. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 21:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I tried to get a higher quality image of the same scene with a similar size. What do you think? Dcasawang1 • wall 22:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The one you (DC) proposed is kind of distracting, some part of the airbender adjacent to Yung is shown. I put up proposals that showed zero distraction, but in the process, the quality decreased to some extent. So, I have put up two more proposals that look almost same, difference is the extent of clothing shown. I have even uploaded a new version of proposal #1. Yohan Mavely talk

19:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dumpling weed

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The proposed image shows a clearer picture of the plant and is the main focus of it, while the current one could be used for the history section. Dcasawang1 • wall 15:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I support this change as it is a clear improvement from the previous image. Hanabi-chan (wall • contribs) 02:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I support the change too. Yohan Mavely talk

21:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Sizzle-crisps

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Recently the final previews for Avatar: The Last Airbender Cookbook: Official Recipes from the Four Nations have been released, showing pages as they will appear in the published book. These previews showcase what the author Jenny Dorsey has stated previously: The book is written to adhere to the canon, and presents the dishes in an in-universe perspective.
In this regard, this proposal serves as a precedent: Do we accept the photos from the book as also being canon, and if so, do we use them for foods which have been not well presented in other media. One such example are sizzle-crisps. The current image shows almost nothing of the food, whereas the photo from the cookbook presents it clearly. Of course, it seems kinda odd to have photos being canonical, but from an image prespective, this photo is clearly the better alternative. What do you think? DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 11:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I am surprised by this, since every image related to Avatar, save for real-life people, is from the series. I am also surprised to see that the sizzle-crisps in real life look like this, in the proposal. True, this eatable is not clearly shown in the current image and that it is clear in the proposal. But the problem is that this is the first time ever, probably in the whole wiki, that a real life version of soemthing related to the series is being proposed to be a profile image. Now, I am, as of now, confused, but I think the proposal will be better, but only if the admins agree with this - to put up pics of real-life version of Avatar related stuff as profile images. Yohan Mavely talk

11:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

~~I agree with the proposal Zacatero • (Wall) • 11:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)~~

@YM - it is not for the admins to decide whether this should or should not happen, that is not what community consensus means. Their opinion has no more weight than any other user, and you shouldn't quantify your opinion based on what they think. If you have an opinion, you should commit to it regardless of how anyone else feels. If someone's argument changes your perspective that is fine, but you shouldn't state that you agree with something only if another user or users agree as well.

Regardless of the improved photo quality, I do not agree with this change, as the proposal is not the same as the current image but rather a real world recreation of the food. The information and recipes presented in the cookbook may be canon, but the food created from it is still not in-universe. Maybe this distinction is small, but I think it is still important. The real-world food shown in that photo has never been served in the Fire Nation, so how can we say it is an accurate reflection of the article. I think it sets a bad precedent to start using real world photos which are "the same" to represent in-universe articles. There are many objects and weapons, for example, that have identical IRL counterparts, but it would similarly not be appropriate to replace those images in the same way. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 12:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

That is actually a very good point which I had not thought about. None of the real-world counterparts would be the exact same as the original. I actually tend to agree with your oppose. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 13:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with the proposal per Thor. The cookbook photo is of the the food based on the recipe, which is canon, but the food itself isn’t from Avatar (clearly). I hope that makes sense, but yeah, basically what HoT said. Aang on a sec 13:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I hadn't considered that either. I agree with HoT, oppose the proposal. Zacatero • (Wall) •

14:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

While I believe that Thor's reason is the main argument against this change, I think it's also important to consider that the book is written in an in-universe style, sure, but that applies to the characters' dialogues aka the introductions to the recipes, such as Aang's story about how and when he tried each dish. However, the recipes and the ingredients themselves (and so the pictures too) are only "inspired" by the show, as the description of the book says and Chef Dorsey have said. Dcasawang1 • wall 14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, we can add as trivia that this food was featured in the book, etc. and add this picture next to it. There's enough space in the article. Dcasawang1 • wall 14:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@HammerOfThor I didn't mean to say that votes of the admins are higher than those of the normal community members, I'm aware of the fact that all community members have equal vote, after you told me about this in one of the previous PIC discussions. I meant to say that they decide whether such a policy - a pic of the real life version of a dish is allowed to become a profile image.

Now, looking at the images, I am confused, as usual, considering that almost all, including DFT, are opposing to this proposal. But if a real-world version of this dish isn't allowed, why can't we have both images in the infobox, like how several characters have in their respective pages. If this isn't suitable, then we have to find a way to put this image of sizzle-crisps somewhere outside the infobox. If this also isn't going to work, then this image can't be used as PI.

P.S Before I could put up this idea, DC put it up instead. Regardless, I support this idea. Yohan Mavely talk

14:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Biyu

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The current image was intended as placeholder until the comic's full release. It is now released, and we know a fair bit about Biyu's character. She is relatively self-confident (unless threatened), self-centered, opportunistic and sarcastic. The two proposals express this fairly well, I think. However, both are flawed. Proposal 1 includes a somewhat strange smile, whereas proposal 2 has a better expression, but much worse lighting. Which one would you prefer? DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 22:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 1 fits that description of the character and has better lighting. Dcasawang1 • wall 22:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I definitely like proposal #1. Zacatero • (Wall) •

22:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I support proposal #1, since it shows her mocking smile, after she betrayed Suki, showing how opportunistic she is, and willingly breaks her friendship with the Kyoshi Warrior when she gets the chance. Yohan Mavely talk

17:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Faith Erin Hicks

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The current image of Faith is from in or before February 2014 and I think it should be replaced by a more up to date image of Faith that looks more like she currently does - —Preceding unsigned comment added by LieutenantATLA (wall • contribs) 12:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

While I agree with your reason to replace the current image, I have a doubt, this image shows her without her smile. Normally, profile images show the smile of the respective characters. In the proposed image, she doesn't have that, despite the quality of the image. If the others agree with this image, then I am fine with it. Yohan Mavely talk

13:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I disagree that someone having updated their hairdo is sufficient reason for a profile picture update, especially if other aspects of the image are not ideal (such as her now glancing to the side as opposed to the camera). Support to keep the current. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 16:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Lostris. I don't really see any big difference, and her age is practically the same. Dcasawang1 • wall 19:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

In the past we've updated actor's photos because they were children before and now they're adults. But adults still tend to look the same, even after 10 years. So it wouldn't make as much of the same difference for Faith. So I agree with Lostris and DC, it doesn't make much of a different so I'd vote to keep it how it is. Zacatero • (Wall) •

22:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I, now, agree with the reasons above. Sure, the picture looks outdated, but the proposal looks bad in several aspects, Erin Hicks not facing towards camera and no smile. Yohan Mavely talk

11:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Jessie Flower

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I am, once again, proposing a profile image, this time of Jessie Flower. Now I know that the actress' profile image was recently changed, and that this proposal is coming just a few months after the change. But after watching a video featuring her and Jack DeSena, reacting to the fan-made Avatar game Fanon:Four Seasons, her appearance and the outfit she wore, made her more appealing than the current image. The current image shows her in a modern-era ladies clothing, which to me looks rather unappealing, to me. However, in the proposals, she is shown wearing a green t-shirt with Earth Kingdom decals, which suits her role as Toph. Moreover, instead of being in a promotional event, the video was made from her house, hence her normal appearance in the proposals. I personally favour #1 since her face is at the center, but I also like #2 too. Yohan Mavely talk 18:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think any of these images are good choices for a profile picture. Her attire is atypical, and in each she looks to be in the middle of speaking, which makes them bad choices. The current is a better, neutral perspective, and thus I support keeping it as is. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 18:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree with HoT. The new images don't bring anything more to the table, and look less professional than the current image. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 10:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Map of the World of Avatar

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The current map is missing few key locations from Korra Books Two through Four. As the administrator of Polish Avatar Wiki I felt the need to update it, so I made some changes. These are easily reversible. I've gone through every episode and I've added these known places as follows: 70. Southern Spirit Portal, 71. Northern Spirit Portal (never visited by Korra, hence the lack of colour, but I can change that easily), 72. Bhanti Island, 73. Zaofu(!), 74. Laghima's Peak and/or Air Nomad caves. Also, I've moved 31. Si Wong Desert to match the location of Misty Palms Oasis. Additionally, I've changed Korra Book 1 colours to match the orange theme that is used on the Wiki. Book 2 is yellow, just because grey is too similar to white markers and yellow is not used by any other book. Book 3 is purple to match Wiki theme. There are few new Book 4 places and their location has never been revealed, hence the lack of the last season.

Now, to save myself some work and also save space on this page, I'm uploading only one version of the map – the one which includes all changes. If people voice their concerns, I can upload modified versions to match these issues. Possible issues I expect: 1. The location of Bhanti Island has possibly never been revealed; 2. Changing 31. Si Wong Desert makes the map lack the actual desert, so either we add "(Si Wong Desert)" into the article after Wan Shi Tong's Library and Misty Palms Oasis or I'll have to add a new marker and move every consecutive one up a number, either way I'm game; 3. I'm unsure whether 74. Laghima's Peak is actually needed to be marked. To show how simple these changes are, replacement #2 reverts all changes but leaves Zaofu, colourless to match the other "misc" places.

Regarding Zaofu, I'll just copy my explanation from my comment under the map page: In episode "Enemy at the Gates" of Book 4, at 1:38 (Netflix version, might differ) when Baatar Jr. fastens his cuffs, you can clearly see the last missing piece of map of Earth Kingdom, which is the Metal Clan. Yet, Zaofu still hasn't been added, years after the show ended. So I'm sure enough to put it there without hesitation. ~ Matik7 ^{(talk · edits)} 23:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I love this!!! Also, if you look at the Zaofu article, there's a map on the infobox! I think that's in the same location as you put it! Zacatero • (Wall) •

23:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Great work. If I may suggest two adjustments: Per the Kyoshi novels, the Eastern Sea actually covers the entire (south)eastern coast of the Earth Kingdom. Accordingly, the "57" could perhaps be moved down a bit. In addition, you could add a marker for the Northern Sea. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 09:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I moved the Eastern Sea to the South, and added Northern Sea as "70". Changes are included in replacement #3. ~ Matik7 ^{(talk · edits)} 13:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Zach Tyler Eisen

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Zach Tyler Eisen, the voice actor of Aang in Avatar: The Last Airbender, never showed himself publicly ever since his retirement from voice-acting in 2008, the year when the last episode of ATLA (Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang) aired. It wasn't until last year, 2020, a decade later, when he had his first public interview. Later, he was present for a reunion rewatch with the other Team Avatar voice actors, hosted by Dante Basco, the voice actor of Zuko. The current image shows Zach during his voice-acting years. The proposed shows the current Zach (27 years old). This image is one of the rare confirmed images of the adult Zach. I think the current one must be replaced by the proposed one like all the voice actors of Team Avatar, the latest profile image change was of Jessie Flower's, the voice-actress of Toph. The problem is that this image is slightly blurred (of less quality), it was cropped. Yohan Mavely talk 18:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. We made Jessie Flower more modern too. Makes more sense. Zacatero • (Wall) •

19:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed as well for the same reasons. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 10:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Apart from opposing for the same reasons per Jessie Flower, the suggested image is rather low quality, seems to lack sharpness. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 13:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Opal

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The current image shows Opal prior to her leave for her airbending training. These clothes were only visible in just two episodes before she changed to the normal airbender clothes and, later, into a wingsuit. Thus, the current image needs to change because she never wore those Zaofu clothes ever again and she's gained a wingsuit as well. I like all the three proposals since they depict her innocence, just like the current image. Plus, the background is natural and bright. However, I would majorly vote for #1 and #3.
Yohan Mavely talk 22:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

~~I agree with the change. I think her in the wingsuit makes more sense to her character as it is currently. I'm pretty indifferent on the proposals, I see pros for them all, but I do like #4 the best.~~ Zacatero • (Wall) •

22:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree with the reasons to change, oppose to the actually proposed images, as they're all low quality and they depict Opal to have this very weird, sad expression when that's not her at all. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 22:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Per Lostris. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I have added proposals #4 and #5. My favorite is #5 for the reasons that have been explained. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:59, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with #5. Zacatero • (Wall) •

03:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Not again! How come the proposals which I originally thought of proposing but withdrew because of several reasons are put up by the other community members! This is the third time such a coincidence had happened whenever I made a proposal, the others being Senna and Noren. However, I still stand for #1 and #3 because as mentioned in my proposal message, they have a natural background along with her smile (the smile was because she was grateful to the farmer, though it looks strange for others). #4 and #5 also have such. So why did I refrain myself from uploading the latter two? The reason was that the picture looked strange. It's as if Opal looked alienatic, her body was facing towards the left and she was looking towards the front (or I say, to the audience), a rare instance for a profile image. I am not criticizing the proposals Dcasawang1 brought up, but the reasons of not bringing up those proposals myself prompted me to not upload them. So, I still stand for #1 and #3. But like as I said, I originally thought #5 would be a good profile image, but the reasons I have refrain me from giving much support to it. Sorry if it looked like an offense, but I never mean to do so. Yohan Mavely talk

07:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Per DC, I can support #4 and #5, as either depict her with an actual smile and for the rest neutral expression, with perhaps a slight preference for #4. The problem I have with the "smile" in proposals 1 to 3 is that it looks awkward due to the slant in her eyes, which makes it nearly pleading, sort of "puppy dog" like, and that is not representative of her character at all. Lady Lostris / SOAP 09:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Out of the current, proposal #5 is my preference. I prefer it over #4 because the direction of her gaze makes her seem slightly more centered, considering her body is slightly turned to the side. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

[Sigh], looks like I'm left with no option, I think I prefer either #4 or #5, though I'm not sure which one to choose. #4 is alright considering her position of her gaze but looking at the picture, it looks strange because most profile images show characters indirectly looking towards the audience and no where else. Still, there are exceptions like Aang, Katara, Sokka , Mako, Bolin, etc. But #5 still makes me feel that Opal looks alienatic, but yes there are few profile images almost having that same gaze, like Jinora. So I'm stuck between them. Yohan Mavely talk

18:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Zuko

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I never really liked Zuko's picture partly because it shows his bad side and that his facial features seem so bland. The proposed pictures have better details, although they're from the comics. He's also frowning, which isn't a feature he uses that often anymore. He is a good person now, and he should have a smile on his face. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheesyDolphins (wall • contribs) 18:46, April 22, 2021

Jinora

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I actually don't have complaint against the current image, but I think the proposals do have her better smile (without the teeth). I am more inclined to proposals 1 and 2, since the background looks natural and as mentioned in the previous line - her smile. Proposal 3 is slightly distracting, though I added this image too. The first and second proposals also show a close-up of her with a proper size, unlike the current that is wider. As I said, I don't have any problem with the current. I just thought the proposals would make it better. So even if they are not chosen, I am fine with it. Yohan Mavely talk 21:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

While I understand with the reason to want to change the current one, I don't think any of the proposals really stack up. The one I like the most is #1, but the quality just isn't there to justify changing to that. Based on these proposals, I vote we keep the current image. Zacatero • (Wall) •

21:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I am fine with it, but I am still voting for proposals 1 and 2. Well, it was obvious to me, that such reasons for opposition would be coming, the proposals don't have the quality compared to that of the current, despite zooming the video and taking the photo and cropping. But I can't help but upload slightly lower quality images in the process, I took these photos (1&2) from a video that involved reviewing the episode, in which the episode was minimized. Yohan Mavely talk

22:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Even if the proposals were replaced with higher resolution images, I still think the current one is the best. The proposals are too zoomed in, and #1 and #2 also cut off the top of her head, which should generally be avoided. I will note that a profile image doesn't have to be such a close up on the head, it can be a more centred view of the face like the current image is. Zooming and/or cropping the image can be great for removing unnecessary background elements that might be distracting, but this shouldn't be done at the expense of everything else. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 22:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I am honestly not in favor of any proposal. I say it should stay as it is. I'm not the biggest fan of the current image, but considering we did not get a lot of Jinora in Book 4, I think it makes sense. Tono555 03:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I have uploaded new, high resolution pics of the first two proposals. Also, I added two more proposals with the same high resolution. Actaully, proposals 1,2,4,5 have Jinora smiling, however, proposals 1&2 show most part of her hair bun, and proposal 4 shows the entire hair bun. Yohan Mavely talk

11:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the current image or anything that the proposals have that makes them better than the current one. Dcasawang1 • wall 18:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I also support keeping the current image, either the resolution, clarity or brightness are detractors that the current is perfectly fine over. The Snowbold (wall • contribs) 08:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hiroshi Sato

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The current image of Hiroshi is pretty outdated. His appearance at the time of his death has fundamentally changed, as his hair has turned fully white, and this should be reflected in his profile image. While not absolutely perfect, I do find that the image is also of a similar quality and arguably exceeds the current image. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 00:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I support the change for the same reasons. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Totally agree with the proposal. Zacatero • (Wall) •

00:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I too, agree with the proposal. Yohan Mavely talk

16:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Mmm, I don't agree actually. Yes, his last appearance was vastly different, Hiroshi is most known for his B1 story line and corresponding appearance. The 5 scenes (randomly picked number, I didn't actually count) he has in B4 shouldn't overrule that imo. He's also in his prison outfit. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 08:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

This was actually proposed seven years ago and I think the same argument stands. Hiroshi was far more recognizable as the Book 1 antagonist; it's the same reason Zaheer's picture is not him from Book 4. – Srijay K • TechFilmer 17:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ha, let me indeed reiterate what I said 7 years ago: the infobox is about displaying the "most character defining appearance". This docile, about to cry, wearing a prison outfit Hiroshi is not that. While this version deserves to be on the page--and he is in the body of the text--it shouldn't be his number 1 defining image, as it does not follow our own standard of what a good infobox image is supposed to be. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 11:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

By that logic, I would have to disagree with you both. Yes, obviously, Hiroshi Sato's Book 1 plot was a series of "character-defining" moments, but I would argue that his radical bender-ism(?) was second to the fact that he truly believed what he was doing was the right thing to protect his family, to say the least, so his return in Book 4 is even more "character-defining" because the lad sacrificed his life to give his daughter and her allies a fighting chance, showing the massive growth he underwent between the seasons. If that's not "character-defining", then I don't know what is. My vote is to change the profile image. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 17:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Noren

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The current image is of a flashback and shows a younger Noren (Actually, Ikem before his face change). However, since Noren didn't look like this (the current image) after the face change, it is better to replace the current with a photo that shows the current Noren. So this proposal is better in terms of color and quality. Also, this image has Noren showing his cheerfulness which makes it better than the current. Regardless, the current must be changed because we can't show Noren with his original face. Yohan Mavely talk 18:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I support the proposal for the reasons given. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 20:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the change for the same reasons, but I uploaded a second proposal that is the same scene but with better quality in my opinon. Dcasawang1 • wall 20:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the reasons for the change, but isn't there a better image? He looks slightly deranged to me. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 21:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Added two new options from The Search Part Two, the first from the same page as Yohan Mavely's first two proposals, showing Noren with a more amused face, and the second from later in the comic in his home, showing Noren with a more neutral face. Not quite sure which one I prefer, but at least they don't depict Noren as "slightly deranged". SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Scratch that indecision, I personally prefer #4. Most head-on and has a decent compromise between facial expression and lighting. If #3 wasn't from a scene at sunset and showing Noren at an over-the-shoulder angle, I would prefer it, but alas... SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Proposal #4. I really don't like the way his face looks in proposals #1, #2, and #3. Zacatero • (Wall) •

04:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

None of the proposals are ideal, but I think #4 seems the least objectionable. His expression in #1 and #2 is odd, and for #3 the angle of his head is strange and the background elements are somewhat distracting. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 11:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Just added a new proposal (#5) from Smoke and Shadow. Also not without problems, but also seems better than #1, #2, and #3 for, though of course, #4 would be nice, too. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 14:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I would support #5 if Kiyi wasn't so prominent in the picture. Seems more like something you would find in the text body than the infobox portrait, so my vote is still on #4. HammerOfThor put it well. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 18:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 4 is the most neutral expression and with least distracting elements. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I still prefer #1 or #2, as #3 is distracting while #4 and #5 seem less successful in reflecting his warm and outgoing side which is a defining trait of his. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I still prefer proposal 1, but also support proposal 4, once again, I was planning to upload this as well before (I don't understand how other community members are uploading the ones I initially intended to upload).

Senna

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The current image shows a younger Senna, four years after her marriage to Tonraq. However, by the time of The Legend of Korra, she has become slightly older. I managed to find an episode where her face is better shown, though by cropping them, the quality of the pictures is slightly lower than that of the current image. I am not saying that it is necessary to replace the current but having an image of her in her older years is better to some extent. However, all three proposals are taken at the same part of the episode, the latter two being almost identical but the last one shows a little more of her winter wear. I am supporting all the proposals, though I think proposals 1 and 2 are better. Yohan Mavely talk 18:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

~~I vote we keep the current one.~~ Here's the issue: Ideals don't win over quality. Ideally, we would show Senna later in life than the 23 seconds that she's that age, but if there's no quality image to fit that ideal, then it makes little sense to use it. The ones you have, don't have the level of detail that the current one does, so it makes more sense to stick with the quality one. Zacatero • (Wall) •

19:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I actually agree with your reasons, I knew such answers would come. I am aware that they are of slightly less quality. I'll just wait for others' responses. I will agree to the community consensus whether it is yes or no. Yohan Mavely talk

19:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The quality of the current image is significantly better than the proposals, and her change in appearance is so minor that I don't think a change is needed. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 20:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

While I agree about the current proposals being poor quality, how about this new one I've added (proposal #4)? Although she looks slightly anxious, the expression is relatively neutral, and the quality's a bit better than the current one in my opinion (her face was taking up half the screen in the new shot), plus, as was intended by the original 3 proposals, it shows her when Korra is grown up. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 13:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with what has been said about the first 3 proposals. I don't see anything wrong with the current picture, so if it was to be changed, I would do it only because of the clothes. I have added an alternative to proposal 4 to have more options to choose from, where she is also wearing a more current outfit. Dcasawang1 • wall 15:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I am placing my vote for proposal #4. Zacatero • (Wall) • 17:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Neutral — - I am actually neutral about the current image, proposal 4 and proposal 5. To be truthful, I myself was planning to add the latter two proposals, but both of them show an anxious Senna, which was the reason I refrained myself from uploading these pics. I like the current image but the other proposals show a current Senna, proposal 4 shows a better close-up of Senna's face and proposal 5 shows her with recent clothing but the image doesn't have a good close-up of Senna's face. Tonraq's profile image is perfect because he is well known for his hot-headed and serious nature, while Senna has a motherly nature but in most scenes depicting her, she is always anxious. But being a parent, she is anxious about her daughter. Nevertheless, the current image depicts her happiness. Regardless, to me, I am confused to choose which. Yohan Mavely talk 19:09, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Voting

No consensus was reached, so a community vote will be held below to determine the result. The options will be: Current image, Proposal #4, and Proposal #5, since they received votes above.

The vote will close after two weeks or 5 days with no vote made.

Current image

Support — Even with the addition of #4 and #5, I still think the current image is the best. The expression in both looks very odd (she seems anxious or upset about something, and I don't think that suits her all that well) and the angle of #5 also isn't great and I don't think it works well as a profile image. Additionally, the change in her appearance (either in her clothes or her face) is so minor and barely noticeable that I don't see a change is needed, and certainly not to overcome the problems of the other proposals. HAMMEROFTHØR (wall) • 21:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Support — Agree with Thor. Don't care for the first three as they are far too zoomed-in on her face, not a fan of her expression in #4, and #5 is at this really weird angle, so unless another alternative is added without these problems, I think keeping the current is the best way to go. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 02:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal #4

Support — Zacatero • (Wall) • 00:24, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Support — Kassilon (wall • contribs) 00:29, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Support — Aang on a sec 19:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposal #5

Support — Dcasawang1 • wall 00:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Support — This image gives a more clear view of Senna so I support it more. Hanabi-chan (wall • contribs) 02:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Kiyi

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While this proposal isn't perfect due to Noren in the background and the speech bubble, it's a lot better than what we have now, where the image is very low poly, and certainly warrants being replaced by a higher resolution image. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 03:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree, I think the proposal is far better than the current one which very much lacks quality. Zacatero • (Wall) •

03:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I just added a second proposal just in case people find it better. Personally I do like proposal #1 a bit better, but proposal #2 would be nice; we just definitely need to get rid of the current one. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 03:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Definitely. None are ideal, but since they all have issues, the quality of #1 is most appealing to me. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 09:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I am supporting proposal #2, simply because proposal 1 doesn't properly show her attire and the dialogue bubble is just blocking her hair, while proposal 2 better shows her attire and the smile on her face makes Kiyi adorable in this proposal. But in this proposal, Zuko's scar is simply distracting at the same time and how it is depicted makes me want to have the proposal cropped to just show Kiyi. Yohan Mavely talk

18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I support #2 as well, as I think that her expression in #1 is distracting. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 20:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Just added #3. Also not ideal, but the expression is more muted than #1, and the quality is higher than the current image and #2.Kassilon (wall • contribs) 14:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Suyin Beifong

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This was initially asked on Discord by a different user, but it never made it's way here. I think the proposed image overall fits better with Suyin and her personality. Zacatero • (Wall) • 02:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't like that she isn't wearing her full Metal Clan outfit, but she does look evil in the current picture. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't find the proposal to reflect her personality at all. I feel like she's a but demure in the proposal, which is not how she is at all. She's also not wearing her signature clothing, so I support the current image (I don't think she looks evil at all). Lady Lostris /

SOAP 09:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with LL, personally. I never got "evil" vibes from her current picture, but instead more along the lines of "sarcastic"/"flippant" (if that makes sense), which is more in line with her character, especially in Su's younger years, so my vote is to keep the current. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 04:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Ho Tun

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I have never liked Ho Tun's current profile picture because it shows half of the other characters' heard. And now that TBMA is out and we know how much Ho Tun has changed, I believe that the current "doom face" picture does not represent him anymore. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

My only qualm with the proposal is that he's not looking toward the "camera" but it's still leagues better than the current one so I agree. Zacatero • (Wall) •

04:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Dave Scheidt

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Same with this one. Their cartoonish portrait for their actual face. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this one as well Zacatero • (Wall) •

04:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Little Corvus

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Simple reasoning: their Twitter/Instagram profile picture (possibly their logo) for their actual face. Dcasawang1 • wall 03:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree Zacatero • (Wall) •

03:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)