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Changing the profile image (the image in the article's infobox, or the top image to the right of the introduction for a large majority of articles) is one of the most common proposed changes to articles on Avatar Wiki. Due to the regularity with which profile image changes are suggested, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures

The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/plot").
Discussion about the proposal can begin immediately. An administrator may, however, decide to retroactively reject the proposal if it is felt it does not meet the required standards.
If a discussion ensues and:
1. no general consensus appears to develop between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward among the supported proposals;
2. the people involved are all in agreement and after five days no one else voices their objections, then the image can be replaced without voting.
The consensus of the proposal is carried out after five days, starting from the last relevant comment in the discussion.
- In the case of proposals that regard the image of a newly created page (i.e. one less than a week old), the proposal is carried out after 24 hours if every participant is in agreement. If at least one user disagrees, the discussion will carry on for at least five days.

In order to speed up the process, it can be beneficial to withhold your comments when you agree with the majority. Adding your own comment will reset the "five days without comment" waiting period for consensus.

Current proposals

Raava

I think the current image gives a far view of Raava, these proposed images have a close-up view of Raava. Both are of HD resolution. However, I think that proposal 1 can be mostly considered, since proposal 2 shows both Raava and Wan in a close-up view with some size difference while the first one shows Raava in close-up view and Wan appears much smaller than her, which can also be seen in the current image. So I think for a close-up of a character, I mostly recommend having proposal 1 as the profile image. Still, you are free to choose Proposal 2 as well if it meets the conditions. Thanks. (Yohan Mavely (wall • contribs) 05:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC))

I still like the current image better because it shows Raava as the center and most important character in the picture and its whole body is visible. Part of it is blocked by Wan in the first proposal and, in the second proposal, Wan and Raava take half of the picture each. Dcasawang1 • wall 06:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I also prefer the current per DC. Additionally, I like how it's a mirror of Vaatu's image. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 10:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Wan

Explanation as to why you think this image is better - I think this image best represents his latest attire and personality. The current image is of the time when Wan had not become the Avatar yet. The image I'm proposing shows him in his latest attire as I said, after he sealed Vaatu in the Tree of Time. I know this is showing a more serious Wan unlike the upbeat Wan seen in the current image, but what about Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar Kuruk, they too look serious in their infobox images. Except the background, I think this image best represents Wan after he became the Avatar, as all the other Avatars having their infobox pics have their latest attire during their Avavtarhood. But I think the background looks cool as well. Thus, I'm proposing this image as Wan's infobox image. If any changes, please let me know through reply. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohan Mavely (wall • contribs) 17:12, November 19, 2020 (UTC)

Oppose the change. The proposal is a low-quality image with subpar lighting that casts this blue-greenish hue over Wan's features. Additionally, his serious expression doesn't really capture his general more upbeat persona. The only thing different about this outfit in relation to the current infobox image is the scarf, so that's really a moot point to change. The current image is superior on all points. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 18:21, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

While I agree with the reasons why you would want to change it, I do agree with Lostris. The proposed image is not of an equal or higher quality than the first so it makes little sense to change it. Zacatero • (Wall)

20:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Update: I have replaced the low quality image to an image of HD resolution, the image is now clearer. Still, you are free to either support or oppose the image - (Yohan Mavely (wall • contribs) 05:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC))

This image quality is indeed way better and acceptable, though it doesn't change any of my other misgivings about the image. I still prefer the current. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 10:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Laghima

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 2 will be the new profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The current profile image for Laghima is a locket with a very small image of him, plus the hand is distracting. I believe the statues in the proposal give a clearer image of his face and clothes. The first proposal is from the show itself, the second proposal is the same picture but a little brighter. The third proposal is the same statue but taken from the artbook. Dcasawang1 • wall 23:46, October 24, 2020 (UTC)

I support proposal number 2 because it has better lighting and I agree that his statue provides a better image of what he really looked like. --Hanabi-chan (wall • contribs) 02:07, October 25, 2020 (UTC)

I agree that proposal #2 shows Laghima most clearly and it should be changed to that. IᖇOᕼ'ᔕ ᒍᗩᔕᗰIᑎE TEᗩ (wall • contribs) 05:14, October 25, 2020 (UTC)

Per IJT and Hanabi. The proposals are much bigger and clearer depictions of him and I think that the second one is the most suitable due to better lighting. Gligo's in love with Azula 07:45, October 25, 2020 (UTC)

Korra

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #1 will be the new infobox image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

I've always found the current image to be rather dark for Korra, both literally (as the lighting is pretty bad in that image, even after being altered already) and figuratively speaking, as she is looking really serious seconds prior to her confrontation with Zaheer. While Korra really has grown a lot as a character, she still has a certain lightheartedness about her as well, which I do think is reflected better in the proposal. Lady Lostris / SOAP 00:24, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Support! I find the current image quite dark and moody for Korra as well, and I think the proposal does a much better job at capturing her personality. Flameo, hotman -GlacyGlace 00:35, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Totally support. I've also felt that about that image of Korra. Zacatero • (Wall)

00:44, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Adding a second proposal. I do prefer Lostris's proposal to the current should it come down to that, but I think it looks little washed out and it's a little low-quality due to the fact that it's very zoomed in. I also think my proposal better reflects Korra's emotional maturity and compassion in addition to her lightheartedness, and better reflects a more 'neutral' state of being. The downside is that Asami is a little distracting, and I completely understand if that bothers people more to the point where they prefer proposal 1. Fire

Ferret 02:44, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

I had also considered #2 years ago, but never suggested it due to indeed finding Asami to be too distracting for an infobox image, as well as not being a fan of the side-glance, awkward slant of the eyebrows, and smile Korra's sporting. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 05:31, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

The quality of #2 is definitely better, but the fact it has Asami in the foreground does make it unsuitable for a profile image. I agree with FF that the colouring on proposal #1 looks a little washed out, but of the three I think it is the best. HAMMEROF THØR (wall) • 09:28, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

That coloring can be fixed if necessary, though I think that the feeling also just comes from the lighting that scene was taken from, which is in general very bright. Though I'm not contesting the fact that it is a heavily cropped image. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 09:48, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion the first proposal is the best one. I agree that the current image makes her look too serious. She is serious, but I think her cheerfulness is a more dominant trait of hers. As Lostris and Thor said, I think Asami is distracting in the second proposal. Gligo's in love with Azula 10:33, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't sure about proposal #1 at first, but now that it has been reuploaded with better lighting, I support it. Dcasawang1 • wall 21:32, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Female prison guard

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #2 flipped horizontally will be the new profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

I don't think either of these images are ideal for a profile picture but it is what we got from this very minor character. I'm proposing a change to a picture that shows her whole face and her body from a better angle. I could add a zoom to the proposal if you think that's necessary. Dcasawang1 • wall 21:02, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Support. It's a better framed image than the current. Zacatero • (Wall)

21:22, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Support. I also think that the angle of the proposal is fine as it is. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 10:34, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

Support, although I think a tad amount of zoom could improve it. Just to remove some of the table and items on it, etc. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 15:57, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

Added 2 more proposals (misnumbered them; meant to name the former the latter and vice versa, but I don't have user permissions to change image names, so...); the first is an different angle of her with, in my opinion, a better facial expression, since it's not a snapshot of her in the middle of speaking. The latter is simply a cropped, higher quality version of the original proposal. Personally, I prefer proposal #2, even if it is at a three-quarters angle instead of an ideal front-ish shot. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 01:19, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 1 is a bit awkward with that it's a shot mid lunch, so her mouth is open.

Proposal 2 seems to display her general attitude better, though the angle is really off-putting, as it guides the reader's attention to the right while the "action" is all happening to the left of the infobox. The image proportions also aren't ideal, though those can be remedied. Perhaps we can also flip the image around, to suit the needs of the infobox better, as that could fall under an accepted alteration of the image.

Proposal 3 suffers from the same issues as #1 (also a big misconception about a larger image supposedly being of better quality. It's not).

So all in all, I support #2 under the conditions I listed above. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 12:37, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Support for #2 per Lady Lostris' reasoning. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:52, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

If proposal #2 is reflected vertically, I support. if that's not allowed, I support #3 for being less distracting than the less cropped version imo That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 03:48, August 22, 2020 (UTC)

Map of the World of Avatar

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will be the new map!
Please do not edit this discussion.

I've spent a while working on this, and here's a proposal for a new way of doing the Map of the World of Avatar image/page. I've re-numbered the locations to be based on order in which the group visited the locations in question, and I've changed the original background to one that is higher quality and less saturated. The numbers are now visible without having to pull open a new window or tab, and have been recolored based on the Book the group visits them. In addition I've included an editable version in the description for the file so that anybody can edit the map in the future. I think that for all of these reasons the map is superior to the one we originally have. I have a current version of a draft of what the new page would look like (sans the notes and missing locations sections) available in my sandbox Fire Ferret 21:33, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

No-brainer; support. The new map is better in basically every conceivable way. I love it. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 22:32, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Full support. New map looks fantastic. Zacatero • (Wall)

22:43, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Same as above - incredible work! That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 03:00, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Just wanted to add I added a small minimap with Republic City locations to the map-- there are still some locations that are missing I'll continue to add but it is still in enough of a finished state I'm comfortable having it replace the current. Fire Ferret 06:46, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Mak

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The current image was the best one available of Mak at the time of his first appearance, but we have a better view of him since the publication of Smoke and Shadow. The proposed replacement is a frontal view and better in basically every regard. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 18:10, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Support for obvious reasons. Fire

Ferret 19:57, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Support per above. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 22:32, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Support Zacatero • (Wall)

13:06, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Momo

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal will be the new profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Proposal is more centered, has better lighting, and includes more of Momo's body. It also has his ears sticking up instead of folded in, which is how he most commonly appears in the series. Fire Ferret 08:01, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it should be changed to feature Momo's hair and body. Irohsjasminetea August 2, 2020

Seems good to me as well. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 20:17, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

Support — Zacatero • (Wall)

22:56, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

Camelephant

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 will be the new picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

I believe this new image should be used (if a better screenshot is needed, this is the best we got from the Avatar Instagram page, although I believe it is possible to get a slightly larger image, but not as large as the one currently used). It is a colorized version and better represents the creature. Mr Star Wars AminoRepublic (wall • contribs) 17:41, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I Support this proposal Zacatero • (Wall)

19:35, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

The picture was too small for an infobox so I have reuploaded it in better quality and size. Dcasawang1 • wall 19:42, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

Much better. Thanks, Dcasawang! Mr Star Wars AminoRepublic (wall • contribs)20:35, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

To help establish majority, I support proposal as well. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 23:01, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

Sokka ATLA Profile

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Voting was 4-1-0; the profile image will not be changed.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Effectively, the profile image is meant to best represent the character's overall appearance. In Sokka's case, this means sporting his Warrior's wolf tail hairstyle. He is shown reverting to this immediately following the conclusion of their time in the Fire Nation, literally by the time of the Jasmine Dragon closing scene and throughout the comics. Using the current profile picture is akin to portraying Katara without her hair loopies, to quote Sokka himself. This image of Sokka is with the style he seems to wear for the rest of the foreseeable in-world future. The expression, in my opinion, is relatively calm without the usual beaming grin. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 04:01, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

I have cleared some of my above text, which was image-specific and has been corrected, so that the discussion is more prominent. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 16:38, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

I don't love the proposal, I think that it's a little too zoomed in for an infobox. I think that even without it being shaved it still counts as a warrior's wolf tail, and I'm not super concerned about the clothes characters are wearing (after all Aang only wears his profile outfit once in the series). All that being said... I've hated Sokka's profile pic for as long as I can remember. I think a version of the proposal that's less zoomed in and is higher quality would be a better option than the current, because it doesn't have the weird angle and expression the current have. Fire

Ferret 04:56, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

I resized the image, and now I think it's a more suitable candidate. Fire

Ferret 05:32, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Full support. – Srijay K • TechFilmer 07:21, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Mmm, while I see the reasoning for wanting to change, I don't think the proposal is the best representation of Sokka as a whole. It fails completely to represent his character. The current, while it doesn't highlight his warrior wolftail by lack of side-shaving, it does a way better job at portraying his confident, more sassy side. The proposal portrays him as very subdued, which doesn't suit him at all. I'm not against changing the image, but I don't think this proposal is better than the current. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 08:46, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Eh, the current reads more "zany" ala Bumi than confident/sassy. I think I'll look around and see if I can find an image that suits Sokka's personality better. Fire

Ferret 09:30, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with FireFerret here. The proposal expression isn't perfect, but I don't think the current is much better in that regard either. In every other aspect, from lighting to framing to angle to accurate depiction, I believe the proposal is superior. As it currently stands, I prefer the proposal over current - although if an image of similar (qualitative) quality is found with a different expression, that would be ideal. If nothing else is found though within a week or so, I'd be in favour of changing it, while continuing the search for another. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 15:35, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what it is about that proposal but I don't like it. I'd take the current one over "needing" a wolf tail. The proposal has his ears and eyes all weird. It doesn't even look like him if I'm being honest. Zacatero • (Wall)

16:19, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Just want to take a second to state this, and this doesn't pertain specifically to the proposal. It's not a question of the warrior's wolf tail being similar to the hairstyle in the existing picture, it's that it doesn't accurately represent a character. Without resorting to hyperbole, it's most analogous to consider a picture of Katara adopted from while they were in the Fire Nation. Yes, her hairstyle would be 95% identical. Without her hair loopies, however, it's an inaccurate overall representation of Katara. Both of them specifically opt for these features as distinguishing features of being of the Water Tribe, as Sokka directly states. These aspects are fundamental to their on-screen identity and also differentiate them from others - there are no Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom citizens with the shaved sides of Sokka's hairstyle - the hairstyle we see in every representation of Sokka apart from when they are forced to adopt these styles while incognito.

Hence, I don't think the notion that the hairstyle doesn't matter holds true in this case, because it's an inaccurate depiction of the character. Especially considering a photo of a character arguably shows more about their physical features (being the very reason for a profile picture) than their personality, the current picture is untenable. This is not an argument in favour of the proposal, simply that if the proposal is not adopted, then there should be an immediate replacement of the current with a different photo that actually accurately shows his appearance. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 22:10, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

I don't remember if this one has been proposed before, but I tried adding a second proposal that represents Sokka's character and his personality and also shows him wearing the classic wolftail. I don't like, however, that the clothes he's wearing there are not his usual even though they are from the Water Tribe. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:04, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I just really think that having the wolf tail only matters if the picture itself is suitable. I don't think either of those pictures is better than the current one, wolf tail or not. I don't think it makes the picture better suited just because it has a wolf tail vs not having one Zacatero • (Wall)

00:54, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I think the second proposal is quite good; I'd prefer either of the proposals over the current, especially to fix that weird angle it has. As you said, not eager about the clothes, especially since he literally wears the same thing throughout the series and comics, unlike Aang and Zuko. I still think, though, that having the head of the character as close to the typical representation is optimal, so I'd consider proposal 2 an improvement over current. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 03:43, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't really feeling proposal two-- I don't really like that it has Sokka's mouth open. So I went and grabbed a few more. None of them are ideal, but I spent all day combing through screenshot archives and this was the best I could find for the time being, might go through again tomorrow. Here's the issues with the new proposals

- has a full of himself attitude, but is from a far back shot and was manually zoomed in
- same pic as 1, but full size image, it has Katara's hand distracting in the shot though
- Sokka doesn't have a wolftail and there's a really distracting apple in the pic, but the lighting is great and the expression is good too
- Lighting isn't great, Sokka doesn't have the wolftail, and he's in different clothes. However, it's a pretty good capture of the mood with no distracting objects

My vote is for three. Fire Ferret 11:31, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I'm in favour of Proposal #3. In the gallery, it's hard to see how far down the picture extends, but when I opened it, it's much better. I think he's framed well, has a much better expression than current, has the correct appearance, and has solid lighting. Strongly in favour of that option. The more options I see, the more I think the current has to change. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 17:18, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I like #5. Yes I know he's got an apple but in all honesty I feel like that's the best one out of that group. Zacatero • (Wall)

19:31, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

Out of all those, the current one still strikes me as the best representation for Sokka's overall character and appearance. Lady Lostris /

SOAP 19:48, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

I am also going to stick with the current profile picture. Tono555

04:51, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

I like #6.It's more HD than the rest,it's also has a nice angle.User:Pvzhfan2011 19:46, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

The current profile image is not amazing, but I think compared to the proposals it is still the best representation. HAMMEROF THØR (wall) • 11:31, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Voting

There was no clear consensus from the discussion on whether to change the profile image at all or what to change it to, and so given the extent of the discussion the community will vote to determine the result. The two most popular proposals were to keep the current image or to change it to proposal #3, and thus the vote will be between these two.

The vote will close after two weeks or 5 days with no vote made.

EDIT: since there was disagreement on which proposals some users had supported, I have amended this to also include proposal #5.

Current image

Support — Based on my comment above, compared to the proposed change the current profile image is still the best representation. HAMMEROF THØR (wall) • 20:20, August 25, 2020 (UTC)
Support — The angle of the current image was the main problem for which some proposals have been suggested, but I don't see a big difference of angle in proposal #3. The current picture also shows Sokka's most representative expression. Dcasawang1 • wall 20:32, August 25, 2020 (UTC)
Support — In my opinion, the current image is the most suitable one because I think it does the best job of portraying his character, showing that he is confident, but also that he is more mature now and has evolved through the show. Gligo's in love with Azula 20:38, August 25, 2020 (UTC)
Support — Per my initial reasoning above Zacatero • (Wall) 21:08, August 25, 2020 (UTC)

Proposal #3

Support — Assertive and with a bit of sass; think this best encapsulates his overall character and demeanour. Superior framing, angle, and lighting than current, and with an actually accurate depiction. For some reason, seems to be more HD as well. That's rough, buddy. markus1423 (talk) 05:22, August 30, 2020 (UTC)

Proposal #5

Avatar Wiki wordmark

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The wiki's workdmark will be changed to proposal #2.
Please do not edit this discussion.

In light of Avatar Wiki turning 15 years old this month, I wanted to propose we change our wordmark to reflect that. I saw this done on Wookiepedia, and thought it would be a nice idea for us as well, especially since I am personally very proud that the wiki is now 15 years old! My first train of thought was proposal #1, but as Lostris mentioned, it does make our logo look small, so I made the second one as well. Thoughts? Tono555 19:10, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

I like the second proposal better just because the actual logo at the top isn't big to begin with, and #2 matches the size better. Zacatero • (Wall)

19:17, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Zacatero, the second one is slightly better in my opinion, though they are both great! Aang on a sec 19:21, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

I don't really have a preference for either design, but I do think that the second logo's size is more adequate. Dcasawang1 • wall 00:44, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Proposal #2 for the reasons given by everyone else; the Chinese characters are not a necessary part, so removing them to get a better size shouldn't be an issue. HAMMEROF THØR (wall) • 18:25, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Jennie Kwan

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 will be the new picture.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Higher quality, less distractingly bright, and half the image is not unused negative space (though the gallery preview only shows half the image). SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 17:45, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

I agree, the proposed image is much higher quality. My only question is where you got it from? I see several images on her IMDB page but that isn't one of them. I have added a 2nd proposal from her IMDB page with a neutral background. I would personally be in favor of option #2 Zacatero • (Wall)

18:53, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Origin of Proposal 1, which I listed on the image's infobox(?). On that note, additionally, I still prefer Proposal 1 simply because it is less distractingly touched up. SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 01:41, July 15, 2020 (UTC)

No other opinions? SorcererSupreme21 (wall • contribs) 03:09, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Option 1 is better imo mostly because her head is less angled. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 03:28, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Though not perfect, I would be in favour of proposal one as well. As Fruipit noted, proposal two has her head at a weird angle that looks odd in the infobox. HAMMEROF THØR (wall) • 08:10, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

Sokka

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The image will not be changed.
Please do not edit this discussion.

(For replacing his TLOK image) I think that the current image is rather dark, and the proposed image is just as high quality, but is lighter Zacatero (wall • contribs) 23:18, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

I think the proposal has a few disadvantages, namely that it appears somewhat off-center. While there are issues with the first image (as it is a flashback with a particular color filter), I don't think the second is much better. Kassilon (wall • contribs) 00:50, June 25, 2020 (UTC)

They're both flashbacks (from the same scene even, I believe). The proposal has just been altered more than the current one, which is an unaltered screenshot. Taking that into account, I'm in favor of the current (which can possibly be enhanced in a similar fashion) due to its more favorable positioning. Lady Lostris /

09:57, June 26, 2020 (UTC)

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