All posts by OrderedComa

<div class="quote"><i>Thebridge14 wrote:
Agreed but am I the only one that thought book 4 had a lot of problems and was rushed even for a 13 episode season.</i></div>
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No you're definitely not. Out of all the seasons for Korra I definitely think that Season 4 overall was the worst one out of the bunch >_> I could probably fill a whole page with everything that I considered wrong or otherwise handled poorly in Season 4... </p>

<p>As a concept and just the idea in general, I don't like or hate Korrasami and I really, honestly, couldn't care less about it. It's not my preference, but I really don't care one way or the other...the only solid reaction it evokes in me is a resounding "meh". It doesn't interest me and I don't see any reason to care about it. </p><p>In <i>execution</i> though, hoo-boy, that's a whole other ball game. The way it actually came about and was written, I literally can't stand the pairing. It was so horribly written and developed (or rather it's decided <i>lack</i> of development, IE, none at all) and was extremely rushed. The whole entire reason the pairing bothers me so much is because of the poor writing, that's something I really can't stand in general, so it's only natural that Korrasami as written would bug me so much. As rushed and poorly developed as Makorra was at times, in comparison to Korrasami and it's decided lack of development it winds up looking like it was written by someone like Shakespearre or one of the other literary greats. If Korrasami had been better written and actually <i>had</i> development and foreshadowing, I wouldn't have any problem with it and couldn't have cared less. </p>

<p><i>@Weltall8000:</i> </p><p>The argument that one didn't see much of a romantic relationship's development, I can at least somewhat see some merit to. Much of it was ambiguous. But to say there wasn't much development toward them being close friends is just blindness. Since Book 3 they had quite a bit of on screen interaction and were shown spending alot of time together, whether on a mission or while on their off time. We have Korra confiding in her, and only her, while remaining completely incognito toward her other friends. </p><p>In regards to a lack of development for their friendship I was speaking strictly about <i>prior</i> to Books 3 and 4, we certainly saw them develop a close friendship over those two books, but prior to that, the two of them had barely any interaction with each other and nothing to really indicate anything like a sisterly bond or extremely close frienship with each other. In all of both Book 1 and 2, the only moment that really comes to mind for me where Korra and Asami had any significant interaction was the racing scene, and a little bit when Asami was moving onto Air Temple Island. I don't remember when the scene with Asami trying to teach Korra how to drive was, but for some reason I seem to remember it happening in Book 3 >_> I will of course happily stand corrected if I'm wrong, but that's when I seem to remember it happening... </p><p>In any case, at the very beginning of Book 3, it was rather jarring and felt kind of forced having them interact like rather close friends because Korra and Asami hadn't had the screen-time and interactions that Korra had had with Mako and Bolin up to that point. Yes, you can say they got closer off-screen, but that kind of thing is rather poor development and writing when it's characters who have only met over the course of the story. When it's characters who have only met over the course of the story (as opposed to being depicted as knowing each other from long before, like Korra and Tenzin, or being related like Mako and Bolin where the writing and development can be a little bit more flexible), the audience needs to see the friendships and relationships actually develop on-screen in order for them to really be believable. </p><p>Seeing as they didn't depict it as such, I fail to see how this applies to them. </p><p>Korra and Asami walked to the portal after deciding to go on a vacation with just the two of them and held hands. Word of God claims they are an item now. That's it. As far as their relationship goes, it seems to have followed a fairly natural progression of being friends, being better friends, now trying out dating. They didn't say that Korra and Asami got married when they walked into the portal, they didn't declare undying love for one another. Maybe such feelings will develop, but that's not what we're shown at this point. Why is it being treated like this came from nowhere, and is them going from 0 to 100 when it's really more like they were at 80 and went to 81? </p><p>And I wasn't talking specifically about Korra and Asami at that point but more how writing relationships in a story should be handled or what would be an example of bad writing when it comes to one. I was talking about relationship more in general terms than anything specific (like Korrasami or any of the pairings that were listed in the post I responded to) in the early/beginning paragraph of that post. </p><p>Sure, there were the building blocks from meeting each other to becoming friends, and then better friends, but there wasn't anything to directly show that they had a romantic interest in each other or any attraction, which is a pretty big prerequisite for having two characters start dating each other. Obviously Bryke intended for their to be the natural steps to build up to them dating, but if your steps are so subtle that pretty much <i>only</i> the people that are shipping or supportive of the Korrasami pairing see it, and it has to be officially confirmed via Word of God in order for people to actually believe it happened, then you were either too subtle, or there wasn't any appropriate development for the pairing at all. For a very large portion of the audience Korrasami pretty much <i>did</i> come from nowhere. To use your numbers/counting analogy, sure, them becoming close friends for the most part was counting naturally (IE, going from 80-81), but the actual Korrasami pairing is making a pretty big jump and skip counting (like from going from 5-15). </p><p>More that he liked Korra more/had more in common with her and Korra was persistent. Korra and Mako wasn't bad writing, it was just a bad pairing, which seemed intentional, like you say. But it totally makes sense for them to have tried dating, both are attractive, have something interesting about them, and the way it all happened makes it seem like fate. I'd definitely be interested if I were either party in that scenario. The angle Korra was working takes a little more time to develop. </p><p>Well, if Mako didn't really like Korra and vica versa, maybe Mako and Asami would have actually worked out or lasted longer. </p><p>Dating someone right after meeting them doesn't make a relationship fail. Sometimes it works very well, sometimes it doesn't, but it's not an inherently flawed way to start a romantic relationship. </p><p>Whether Makorra is a bad pairing or not is actually <i>extremely</i> subjective, and as such, I'm really not going to get into that argument/open <i>that</i> can of worms. Suffice to say, everything that you said about Masami applies just as much to Makorra. Both Masami <i>and</i> Makorra could have worked out just fine in the end if they'd been willing to put in the work. Relationships take work in order to succeed, and it felt to me like both Masami and Makorra ultimately failed in the end because they decided to just give up in the end rather than work to keep the relationship successful. </p><p>You're right, dating (dating and a relationship are kind of a different standard to me >_> For me, it's you start dating someone, and then a relationship comes later with more time) someone pretty much right after meeting them isn't inherently flawed or a bad way to start off (it is how an awful lot of successful couples start afterall), I do think though that jumping right up to full relationship level right after meeting someone <i>is</i> going to be problematic more often than not, and that's what I feel like Mako and Asami's whole relationship was, kind of just blowing past the whole dating thing and jumping into a full relationship/couple-hood right away. That sort of thing doesn't guarentee a relationship is going to fall apart like Masami did, but it <i>does</i> typically mean that there are going to be problems that come up. </p><p>Nick just went through and put together a top five Korrasami moments, four of which were prior to the final scene, and those are just a handful of their interactions in their developing relationship. They did show, just they didn't tell us what they were showing us until after the fact. Some of us picked up on this vibe, speculated that it was a reasonable conclusion, we were mocked, then in the end it turned out we were right. Now, I don't hold it against others that didn't see it, if they were holding out for more definitive proof, fair enough, I cannot fault that, but at this point, with the ending, with the Word of God on the subject, it really establishes the context in which all of that occurred. </p><p>This goes back to what I was talking about a little earlier on in this post (and in some of my other ones too). I'm not going to be as presumptuous as to say that <i>only</i> people who read hints of Korrasami coming or the two of them being into other were shippers, however, Korrasami shippers were the only people that I've <i>personally</i> seen saying that the pairing was coming or that the hints were there. Which just stinks/smacks of confirmation bias, if the <i>shippers</i> of a specific relationship are the most prevailent ones seeing evidence for something, the pairing really needs work. As I said earlier in the post, it means the development was either <i>far</i> too subtle, or there just really wasn't any development spent on the relationship or not nearly enough. </p><p>For an example of shippers seeing what they want to see and exhibiting their confirmation bias...just look around at the Makorra shippers who were convinced that Mako and Korra were going to get back together in the end and the "evidence" of it that they picked up on. Shippers really aren't a reliable source of evidence because they just see what they want to see, regardless of what actually is. Yes, in the case of Korrasami they proved to be right in the end, but my point still stands that if shippers of a specific pairing are pretty much the only ones or the vast majority of people claiming the pairing, then that pairing has a pretty significant issue from a technical standpoint. </p><p>Why do they need to show this huge attraction before they consider starting a romantic relationship? Asami and Mako started with her hitting him with the moped, and within a minute asking him to go to dinner with her, ie, a date. Korra and Asami are clearly close (and if you don't see that, that's your failing) and Korra basically asks Asami out. Varrick and Zhu'Li were in a non romantic relationship for three seasons and suddenly decide to get marrried. Where's the outrage about that? "But that's different!" Well, how? "They were closely working with each other and spending alot of time together so they develop romantic feelings toward each other, duh!" Hmm, you don't say... </p><p>It was obvious from that first scene between Mako and Asami that he at least <i>was</i> attracted to her from the start..well, at least as soon as he knew he'd gotten "run over" by a fairly attractive woman :P And I'm not really sure that I'd call it a date since it was supposed to be making up for her hitting him with her moped :/ </p><p>For a lot of people Varrick and Zhu'Li having romantic feelings for each other was something very sudden or even out of the blue as well. Both pairings might make sense to you or you migth see the needed development was given to them, but for a lot of people that just isn't the case and it's especially true for Korra and Asami getting together. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Hanabi-chan wrote:
<div class="quote">Lerkin wrote:
do they have this "bad development" with bopal and kai and jinora..? <p>somehow, i get the feeling that they don't. "love at first sight" is ok and relationship growing over 4 years - rushed... talking about double standarts... </p> </i></div>
You actually have great point. Since people feel the need to compare Korrasami to other pairings...
<p>Masami: Asami hits Mako with her moped, then immediately invites him out on a date. They hit it off right away. </p><p>Borra: Though this one was one-sided, Bolin seemed to take an interest in her right away. </p><p>Makorra: Korra also seems to take an immediate interest in him. He was rather cold (a male tsundere?) to her the first two times they met yet Korra still smiles fangirlishly at his direction from across Yue Bay. Plenty of fans complained that it was rushed in book 1, which was originally supposed to be all there was in LoK. </p><p>Boleska: Bolin introduces himself, flirts with Eska, and she decides to make him "hers". They hit it off, even if it was weird. </p><p>Kainora: Jinora seems to take an immediate interest in Kai. As soon as she kisses him on the cheek, he seems to return these feelings. </p><p>Bopal: Opal takes an immediate in Bolin. After a brief talk with Mako, he decides to go for it. They also seemingly hit it off. </p><p>Yet Korrasami was the relationship with bad development? Okay then. </p> </div> <p>Characters taking an interest in each other almost as soon as they meet or very early on isn't bad writing or poor development (that's actually fairly realistic and very much like how things like crushes and attraction play out in real life). There's nothing wrong with a character expressing initial interest or attraction to another, the problem with a relationship between would arise if the jump is made instantly from being attracted to each other to jumping into things like declaring love for each other or depicting it as a serious and deep relationship from tht point.
</p><p>All of these relationships actually <i>had</i> at least <i>some</i> fairly significant development to them and all of them started off as well with it being clear that the two characters involved were interested in/attracted to each other. As a pairing Masami <i>was</i> rather rushed and fairly shallow, but that was actually something intentional on the writer's part (at least that's how it felt to me) and one of the reasons why Mako and Asami ultimately didn't work out together in the first season. You could argue whether it was actually bad writing or not, but Mako and Asami were <i>supposed</i> to get together fairly quickly because they both rushed into it and didn't even really get to know each other very well, and thus leading to their relationship to fall apart in the end. </p><p>There really isn't even much you can really compare between all of these pairings and Korrasami in the end, one of the primary differences being that we actually saw the relationships developing from the very start. Korrasami is pretty much one of the defining examples of not following the principle of "show, don't tell" when it comes to writing. They go from barely even interacting with each other in the first two seasons to really close friends in Book 3 without seeing any of the development of their friendship. Which leads to their romance not being developed and rather forced as well. One of the key differences between Korrasami and the other relationships and one of the flaws with Korrasami is the lack of showing to the audience that the two were even attracted to each other like was done with all of the other pairings you mentioned. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Weltall8000 wrote:
Such as?</i></div>
<p>I'm assuming this is directed to me?
</p><p>Well first and foremost being (as I said) the lack of development, and not just for a romance either, there really wasn't any development toward them being really close friends either. Things like a relationship (romantic <i>or</i> platonic) isn't something that you can really have "develop" offscreen, it has to be something that the audience can <i>see </i>happening (the oft cited mantra of writers everywhere, "show, don't tell"), if two characters meet for the first time in the story, how long they've known each other in-universe over the course of the story is ultimately meaningless and irrelevant if we don't <i>see</i> their relationship (regardless of what kind it is) develop. When it comes to a romantic relationship, if <i>all</i> of the blocks that are supposed to be building it up to a romance are almost exclusively gestures that occur between people who are nothing but friends and you need "shipping goggles" and to be a fan of that particular pairing in order to interpret them as romantic gestures or hints toward a romance....then it's bad development/writing. Excluding the end scene of LoK, absolutely none of the interactions between Korra and Asami are implicitly romantic or contain even an undertone of romance. </p><p>The development of Korrasami as a romantic pairing is badly/poorly written because it was all far too subtle and ambiguous. Bryke might have intended the interactions between the two to be romantic or be building up their romance, but they failed in the execution because there was no actual hint of romance or anything to make it clear that the two were interested in each other. If you need to be shipping that pairing to "see it", then the development/writing on that pairing is bad. </p><p>And the other big one kind of ties into and sort of extends from the first point about a lack of development. The whole entire friendship between Korra and Asami is pretty forced in general because the two never had any significant interactions with each other. Come Book 3 they're just suddenly really close friends without any development to reach that point. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>AvatarKatar wrote:
<div class="quote">MerlinTheFairyFox wrote:
If the creators of the Avatar world must have a bisexual couple in the TV show, can they, at least do it with ANOTHER new set of characters?</i></div>
What's so wrong with Korra and Asami hooking up? </div> <p>Form an objective standpoint and just that pairing as an idea in general, absolutely nothing.
</p><p>But in terms of how it actually was depicted on the show and the development (or rather lack thereoff), there's plenty wrong with it from a writing/quality/technical standpoint. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>FireFerret wrote: <p>ALL OF THAT SAID, Korrasami is still canon. Mike has posted a link to an article on his facebook here. The article has the world "gay" in the URL, and spends a good portion talking about the impact of canon Korrasami. </p><p>Further, Mike rebogged a post specifically about how Korrasami affected tumblr user avatar-mom (who also runs the "Fan Legacy" panel at SDCC) as a mother with a gay son. Bryan liked this post. </p> </i></div>
<p>It most certainly is <i>not</i> canon, until such time as Bryan and Mike give some kind of official statement themselves, Korrasami being canon is nothing but wishful thinking on the part of those who subscribe to the ship.
</p><p>Linking or reblogging something does not equate to agreement or endorsement. Hell, I'm <i>quoting</i> you right now and obviously don't agree with a thing you're saying. Why you're even bringing up the letter that got reblogged I have no idea as all Mike said about it was thanking the woman for appreciation/support of the show and thanking her for sharing her story. That is not confirming anything as canon. You have more ground to stand on with Mike linking to the Vanity Fair article but even that ultimately doesn't mean anything as Mike did not actually <i>say</i> anything. <i><u>IF</u></i> they meant for Korrasami to be canon they would not be beating around the bush, they would come right out and say it, even if they couldn't obviously depict it on the show, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from coming out and stating to the fans that it was their intention for Korrasami to be true. Until such time as either of them actually comes out and concretely states it to be fact Korrasami is no more canon than the idea of Mako and Korra getting back together eventually. The assumption that Korra and Asami are nothing but close BFFs and the assumption that they're now lovers and in a relationship are both equally valid interpretations at this and neither one is confirmed or denied. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Weltall8000 wrote:
We've only seen either involved with one boy, almost four years ago, and I know plenty of gay people that have dated the opposite gender prior to coming out of the closet. <p>I don't generally see straight men or women act this way. (and why the double standard?) </p><p>Korra clearly confides in Asami, Asami rushed over to Korra and held her while she was poisoned. Asami wanted to go home with her. When not on missions in their off time, Korra is seen just hanging out with Asami while everyone is off doing their own thing. Even when on missions, considering Asami not being a bender, she still spends a very substantial amount of time with Korra despite her limitations. Then we have the final scene which is really a stretch to say they're not into each other. Who does that and isn't interested in the other party? </p> </i></div>
<p>With a work of fiction (TV show, movei, book, comic, video game, oral story, etc.) you can <i>only</i> go off of what the writers directly reveal to the audience (whether within the work itself or in an interview), anything else is nothing but pure speculation. When bringing up things like pairings, previously relationships and the like are entirely relevant to figuring out things like sexuality, Korra and Asami have <i>both</i> only been shown to date Mako and express and interest in men, there has been nothing stating or indicating and attraction to the same gender. Nothing that Korra and Asami have done conclusively indicates anything other than a close friendship, and as I previously outline the <i>only</i> on-screen depiction of relationship related things and all we have to go on have been heterosexual for the both of them. Any relationship deeper than friendship/sisterly is nothing but pure speculation at this point.
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<div class="quote"><i>BobLogical wrote:
Totes canon, kids. Check DiMartino's Facebook.</i></div>
<p>Linking to or quote something does not denote the person doing the linking considering it true or stating it to be true. There has been absolutely no official confirmation or even official statement regarding the ending, you're grasping at straws. Until such time as either half of Bryke (or both) comes out and says "Korrasi is canon, they're in a relationship now", the pairing isn't canon and isn't and trying to say it is is nothing more than wishful thinking and/or fanon on the shippers' part.
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<div class="quote"><i>Swagbender wrote:
http://republiccitydispatch.com/post/105611245583/lets-talk-about-legend-of-korra-book-4s-day-of <p>here is the link, yall </p> </i></div>
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You do know that's not really evidence right, than <i>anyone</i> can pretend to be Bryan and Mike? There is nothing to prove that's really either of them, and <i><u>especially</u></i> damning in terms of evidence is the fact that it's not an actual account and is just a guest/anonymous post as there's no profile linked to it (that's what the grey names mean on Disqus, an anoymous/guest user). </p><p>There's no official confirmation of any kind to support either of the two opinions regarding the ending...not <i>yet</i> anyway. If Bryke were to confirm it, it would be through an official source (an interview, one of their Tumblrs, etc.) and not through the comments section on an official fan blog/site. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>TSteve123 wrote:
ATLA/LOK romantic pairing patterns.  Written and set by the Co-Creators(Mike and Bryan). <p>ATLA: Series Finale scene> Romantic interest [left] -facing- Avatar [right]...Music/Roll Credits </p><p>Katara + Aang </p><p>LOK was originally written as a single mini-series with no follow up.  </p><p>LOK-B1: Series Finale scene> Romantic interest [left] -facing- Avatar [right]...Music/Roll Credits </p><p>Mako + Korra </p><p>LOK-B4: Series Finale scene> Romantic interest [left] -facing- Avatar [right]...Music/Roll Credits </p><p>Asami + Korra </p><p>Its following a pattern because the Creators (Mike and Bryan) wrote it that way. </p><p>Its character arc staging. Its intentional and planned down to the last frame. Not theory. Not implied. Not opinion.  </p><p>Word of god:   http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/ </p><p>A post by MDM on his personal tumblr page of a letter from a mom who is ecstatic that her son finally has a gay animated character/pair he can identify with.  Don't take my word for it...read it for yourself.   </p><p>That letter, http://avatar-mom.tumblr.com/post/105659602917/i-have-cried-about-so-many-things-in-the-last-day, was also "liked" by @BryanKonietzko. </p><p>See the link below for a very good stage placement and character priority, gumby style, break-down.  Really clarifies the scene in terms of character importance to the story not just gender.  </p><p>http://heartlighting.tumblr.com/post/105606009782/final-bows-or-korrasami-is-canon-because </p> </i></div>
<p>Mike reposting a specific Tumblr entry is not confirming it as canon or even agreeing with it or endorsing it. I'm quoting you (essentially the same exact thing), that does not mean I'm confirming what you say or agreeing with your post. </p><p>In that reblogging Mike did not say one single thing about the canonity of Korrasami or whether the woman who wrote the letter was right in assuming that it was a fact, all he said was thanking the woman for writing her response and for her support/appreciation of the show. There is <i>no</i> official confirmation of any kind that Korra and Asami are a couple now or even that either of them are gay/bi. Nor is there any conclusive evidence of any kind, this whole scene is about as open-ended as it gets and the assumptions about it (either the "just friends" or "they're lesbo lovers now") will never be canon until either or both Bryan and Mike come right out and say "yeah, this interpretation here is the way it is and the way we intended things to be". </p>

<div class="quote"><i>LM3014 wrote:
<div class="quote">OrderedComa wrote:
Given that Legend of Korra has pretty much averted showing <i>any</i> massibe scale fighting altogether, we really have no idea what the URN or any other nation has available to it for use, honestly,</i></div>
The rest of your post is perfectly correct, but that... We have seen what the URN had available to fight Unavaatu, the Equalists and Kuvira, and if they couldn't show any decent long range firepower in these occasions, truth is they simply don't have it available.
<p>I suppose from now on they will stop forming ranks against huge cannons. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't learn the lesson, though. </p> </div> <p>No we really didn't, we saw ships in the harbor with Unavaatu and that's it, we weren't given a full tour or rundown of Republic City's defenses, and the same with Kuvira. We were only shown the ships that got destroyed by the spirit weapon and the detachment of troops and Mecha Tanks that they had outside the city. There was't any kind of rundown on the defenses or even any fighting and thus the chance to see everything at their disposal or that they'd use, Kuvira just destroyed a bunch of ships and then they surrendered. We don't have any idea how fighting and warfare really works in the modern Avatar setting because Brye really haven't shown any kind of warfare at all in LoK, it's been something they've pretty much completely averted, unlike in AtLA.
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<p>Given that Legend of Korra has pretty much averted showing <i>any</i> massibe scale fighting altogether, we really have no idea what the URN or any other nation has available to it for use, honestly, I think the biggest fight we've seen in the series and the only one that can really be considered close to a large-scale battle would be when the Equalists ambushed General Iroh's fleet witht he biplanes in the first season. Every other fight has just been the protagonists vs infantry mooks or the main/major villains in a bending battle. </p><p>And granted it's been a while since I watched AtLA, but I don't remember the Fire Nation ever having anything like a howitzer in the series, the only things I remember are their bombs they dropped from the airships, the defensive crossbow-things they had in the Fire Nation and were being used during the Day of Black (I'm assuming that's what you mean by the ballista), and the catapults they had on their ships...and that's it...aside from their tanks, which even then was basically just the "firebending tube" that you're complaining about being on the ships put into an armored, mobile platform. </p><p>Having formed up ranks might not work in a modern military setting with firearms and everything, but that's because we actually have weapons that can take out large numbers of troops organized in such a way. Tell me, what does the Avatar world have that can accomplish the same thing? The tactics only change when the advances in technology require them to change...obviously the Avatar world has not yet encountered any such technology that would cause massive slaughter of troops in tight formations. So tell me, how exactly is it retarded when there's nothing to produce massive slaughter on such formations or any technology that would have required the change from what we would consider outdated military tactics due to the technology in our world? </p><p>Most of your complaints seem to be grounded in real world thinking and expecting everything in fiction to be completely accurate to our current understanding of physics or the laws or nature, if you go into a series expecting it to one-hundred percent conform to reality and be exactly like our world, then you're only going to have complaints like this. You can't expect a fictional world to conform exactly to our way of life and everything we know. In a world where people can essentially control the elements around them, they're going to radically depart from the way our world progressed in terms of technology, the rate it developed at, and just in plain terms of what's possible or impossible. </p>

<p>I never really viewed Kuvira in any kind of comparison with Hitler, the historical dictator that I typically jump to when comparing her to anyone is to Napoleon with maybe a little authoritarian flavor thrown in from the Soviet union (read: the labor/reeducation/concentration camps). I actually really don't think Hitler or Nazi comparisons are very apt or accurate at all honestly. I fail to really see many, if any, connections there. </p>

<p>The giant mech really wouldn't be that hard to take down from the outside period. All you really have to do is attack the legs and that thing is a goner. Even if the canon would still be operable from the mech toppling over the arm wouldn't have a very effective range of motion...but the likelihood of the gun surviving intact or any number of the other intricate systems used to control the whole thing remaining undamaged and the robot combat ready/effective is pretty small. It pretty much is game over if you take out the legs or otherwise knock it down, <i>especially</i> if the gun arm is what it falls on...I can't imagine the whole weight of that mech crashing down on it would do the weapon very much good :P </p><p>Of course, the easiest way to bring it down would be to get inside it, but failing that, going for the legs would be the best way to take it out of the picture. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Deist Zealot wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that Zaheer knew about Unalaq's Dark Avatar plot; it was pretty clear that he didn't. <p>It's just a bit weird that he seemed to be under the impression that, intent be damned, setting loose an omnicidal elder god would be anything short of <i>the worst idea ever</i>.  (Was he really sufficiently misled as to think that Vaatu was the embodiment of the Red Lotus ideology as <i>opposed</i> to omnicidal, or <i>what</i>?) </p> </i></div>
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It's entirely possible that the original plan as far as Zaheer and the others knew was putting Vaatu and Raava back into their perpetual stalemate. I mean they <i>did</i> try to capture Korra too, they might have planned on removing Raava from Korra as well as freeing Vaatu and then having the two spirits duke it out again, and then when Korra killed UnaVaatu that plan changed into "hey, let's kill the Avatar and break the cycle completely" *shrug* Either that or they knew full-well what Vaatu was but were going to release him anyway to try and restore the world to what they perceived to be the natural balance, seeing as Raava would have "died"/faded-away if Wan hadn't fused with her during Harmonic Convergence and it would have been 10,000 years of Vaatu, they could perceive Vaatu being imprisoned and Raava living on through being bonded with the Avatar as a perversion of the natural order that needs to be set right. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Avatar Steve wrote:
<div class="quote">Lady Apsalar wrote: <p>People got mad at them for Spongebob. </p> </i></div>
Spongebob Squarepants has a same-sex couple? Are you serious?
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No, there hasn't been, but some people feel like Spongebob and Patrick are gay for each other *shrug* I've never felt like that's anything actually hinted at, but that's what some people have read into their friendship...at least that's what I'd assume that Lady Apsalar meant, it's the only two characters I can think of that had that kind of controversy pop up around them at one point anyway... </p>

<p>Honestly it doesn't matter to me at all what people personally ship or what characters they think would make good pairings with each other.....but actually expecting these pairings to happen on the show that is very quickly drawing to its close and has <i>never</i> had any kind of development toward or hints indicating to that pairing, no, just no. It's someone wants to make Korrasami their own fanon ship or pair both of them up in their fanfics or whatever, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's never going to happen on the show for a multitude of different reasons. Aside from the inherent controversy that would be provoked, the main reason being that there's absolutely no development or hints toward Korra and Asami being gay or even bi-sexual, not even a little bit, both characters have been portrayed strictly as heterosexual thus far...there simply aren't enough episodes left to introduce or properly develop such a rather extreme shift in character, not without distracting from the rest of the story or causing it to suffer in terms of quality. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Fireshadowz wrote:
considering she lost in the first episode she starred into (unless you count the swamp) to Aang Im pretty sure there is something in Kuvira's army that could do the same light fighting.</i></div>
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Lost to something she couldn't see, and that was when she first met/encountered Aang, not to mention not having 73+ years of experience since then. I definitely don't think that Toph will win, but I <i>very</i> highly doubt that she is going to lose either. Realistically I woul see it turning out the same way that the episode "The Deserter" in AtLA did, Toph probably going on the run, but only after having done a good deal of stomping all over Kuvira and her cronies. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Poet Laghima wrote: <p>She probably left Republic City alive because of plot requirements lol...but it would have been most logical to arrest/kill Kuvira. Heck, since Republic City is so large, get some random United Forces generals, dress them up as gang leaders, and just plant a bomb and assassinate her on the streets would be a good plan. It gets the job done AND it does not risk any diplomatic upheaval with the Earth Empire. Bataar Jr. would just assume his fiance died from some random explosion. </p> </i></div>
<p>And also probably why the writers didn't have anyone even try to stop her on screen or mention Kuvira and her cronies having to sneak/fight their way out. It's always been kind of annoying to me when writers don't have the characters even attempt the logical thing that people actually <i>would</i> at least try in real life. A lot of times people outside the shows reality naturally think of things that someone in the situation necessarily wouldn't due to stress or other such factors, but stuff like trying to apprehend Kuvira before she gets out of town and their reach is not something that they wouldn't have thought of or not acted on in some way. And you're exactly right, even if they <i>couldn't</i> legally arrest her for some reason, there would have most likely been an attempt to remove her some other way, like assassination as you mentioned.
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