All posts by Love Robin

<p>The problem with Korra's "feelings for Mako" is they have very little to zero foundations. </p><p>Mako was like, literally the 3rd to 5th guy Korra met (depending on if you count the park hobo and Triad thugs) who was not one of her teachers or guards at the South Pole camp she was sequestered at for most of her life. </p><p>She meets this guy for like, 5 minutes and blurts out her feelings, "I love yous" and "I think we're meant to be together." </p><p>Which is virtually the same reason why *Frozen's* Elsa told Anna she could not marry Hans after only 1 day. </p><p>In other words, Korra is crushing on Mako. She doesn't have even the limited "high school" equivalent of life experience to know what she doesn't even know she needs to know about "feelings" and "love". </p>

<p>Every ice fisher knows you cannot make a hole to fish through without first making a smaller drill hole. And sometimes if the conditions are harsh enough, you have to chip or crack the ice first so the point of your drill has *something* to catch on. Cutting through the rest to get the results you want may be work just as difficult, but you still needed that initial chip, that initial crack. </p><p>For LGBT representation, Korrasami was that chip, that crack in the ice of what *mainstream American youth oriented* shows would allow. I wish it had been Kigo to have been the crack, but it may have been the chip. </p><p>What helps *widen* these chips and cracks is how well they are received. How popular they are, and become. </p><p>While only a crasckship, my beloved Kigo proved highly popular, but never committed. Still that popularity was there. Noticed by some. Maybe even by Bryke. </p><p>Korrasami made a huge crack. Even with it's less than full commitment of no kiss, it was lauded by sources far and wide. Despite the objections of holdouts, Korrasami's praises could be found in reviews large and small, fan-based to legit publishers. It has done nothing less than grow stronger over the years. It gave franchises something to follow, it opened the eyes of executives to approve more like it. </p><p>Kigo and Korrasami paved the way for shows to go the distance and fully commit. Begrateful for what went before. </p><p>Other representations had similar uphill battles before this. Strong women leads did not exist when I was growing up. </p><p>Black characters used to be white actors in blackface before actual black actors were cast; they used to be joke characters scared of everything LONG before the roles became serious and the characters not the first to die. And Write, Produce, and Direct? Unheard of herasy during my childhood. Lt Uhura broke grounds: an officer standing shoulder to shoulder with men on a starship bridge ("There's a black woman on TV and she ain't no maid!"), Not in danger of being killed (despite being a redshirt!), and the first interracial kiss on TV. </p><p>At the risk of sounding like "All xxx matters", each type of representation had to take steps from chipping the ice to cutting through a serviceable access getting work done. </p><p>We all wanted more from the Korrasami finale, but hell, we *GOT* that finale instead of other possible results even the LGBT audience expected they would get. Where Kigo failed me, Korrasami did not. </p><p>And I, for one, was there to tearfully witness it. </p>

<p>I personally like the idea of Spirit Mischief™ causing a True Korrasami Kid™ between same-gender spouses. In scientific terms, it is known as Parthenogenesis. </p>

<p>Considering how long this thread is—almost 400 posts, almost at thread limit—it would probably better to start a new thread for it. </p>

<p>First, being awfully authoritative over something which is not only fictional, but a highly improbable situation. </p><p>One of the rules about decent fiction is to not only establish rules for the world being built, but to occasionally *break* at least one of those rules. </p><p>The Rule I'm talking about is not so much a spirit-induced pregnancy between two women, BUT a <i>possible ONE-OFF exception</i> to where Raava goes after Korra. </p><p>Hell, IF Korra were the birth-mother, there is the possibility for Raava to be forcibly transferred upon the birth of the child, leaving Korra no longer the Avatar. Before you say that could never happen, remember that Raava was forcibly removed from Korra once. By a spirit. Now, sure Vaatu is Raava's mirror counterpart, but who is to say there are no other spirits able to do the same. </p><p>WILL it happen? ::shrug:: who knows except whoever might write such a fic. Keep in mind none of us thought Raava could be forcibly separated from an Avatar—until it happened. Until then, we thought death was the only separator. </p><p>It certainly will not happen if no one is creative enough to see and seize the possibility. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Genso~No wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Love Robin wrote:
Being a spirit-induced child from two women—as I suggested as a special 1-off case—*just might* allow some bending of the Avatar Succession rules…</i></div>
<p>The avatar is Raava, holding the the four elements and letting the Avatar control them all at once. Nothing to do about two women. </p> </div> <p>Annnnd, you missed the entire point of the concept. </p>

<p>Being a spirit-induced child from two women—as I suggested as a special 1-off case—*just might* allow some bending of the Avatar Succession rules… </p>

<p>Yeah, I knew it was coming. But I said it anyway because… guess what? …posts I make on this and any other thread—even those in response to you—<i>are not just for you alone</i>. People other than you read them too. </p><p>And while *you* want to disbelieve my assertions about my career, not everyone will follow your lead. There will be people who will recognize the ring of truth about my words or at least recognize the way they are spoken as that of how therapists talk. At least one user already told you as much. </p><p>My advice is also not just about the show, but about how people think and how they <i>might</i> cause pain to friends or family IRL if they do not rethink them. Even Bryan admits to having had misconceptions and that he is still learning. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Neo Bahamut wrote: And like I said, thank goodness nobody <i>here</i> is that confused, or they might have seen your posts & walked away with the conclusion that orientation is just a matter of whom the person is dating. </p> </i></div>
<p>Funny, that is exactly the faulty reasoning I've been speaking out against. That people say "They are bisexual because they dated Mako" is exactly the conclusion that "orientation is a matter of whom the person (Korra and Asami) is dating," and I point out that it is not because of whom they dated, but despite the fact they dated him. </p><p>That what really will tell their orientation <i>within the confines of the franchise canon</i> will be whom they will willingly (without coercion) date in future stories. </p>

<p>As I've stated before, I deal with clients who are undergoing their sexual self-discovery and determination. At this often fragile phase of their life they often deal with pushback from family and friends and "corrections" of what they feel their orientations are. "You can't be gay/lesbian because you dated so-n-so/because you dated all these people, etc". </p><p>And you're right, it is <i>not</i> a blanket one-situation-covers-all sort of thing. There are nuances. Which is why even in discussing fictional characters fallacious reasoning needs to be challenged and educated. Because many people suddenly faced with the situation will not think of nuances right away, and unthinking words can cause very real pain. </p><p>And while a "go gay for" short list <i>might</i> be a joke for many (often celebrities on their list, so yes, thin chance of it ever happening), it is nonetheless a real thing. Some people really will engage in a same-gender affair if the person(s) on their short list (usually reachable people in their lives) provide an opportunity. </p>

<p>And before we lose sight of the point I'm truly making, my main issue, is educating those with the faulty reasoning of "they are bisexual '<i>because</i>…, because thinking that way IRL can cause RL issues and traumas especially in those at a fragile time of their self-identity. </p><p>My issue is not really with whether or not Korrasami are bi or lez… that will hopefully be resolved with future stories, content, and context. </p><p>But there is this tendency for people to correct the use of "lesbian" in conjunction with Korrasami by using that reasoning of who they dated in past. This one individual. </p><p>That is fallacious logic. Even saying "because Bryke said they are" is a better statement than that line of reasoning. </p><p>Sure the overall topic here is about fictional characters, but if you think this way here, you might carry that reasoning to Real Life interactions and cause real problems, even unintentionally. </p>

<p>I'm not arguing against the intent of the blog, I applaud it. </p><p>Considering that one incidence of the word "bisexual" is a parenthetical smack in the middle of Bryan <i>admitting</i> he is still in the process of changing his viewpoints and that he still has a lot to learn, yes, *I* reserve my doubt as to whether he/they fully understand what it means to label someone's sexuality, including their own creations, in the absence of additional content and context. </p><p>Look, if someone who feels attractions to the opposite sex yet due to being in a Committed Relationship with a Significant Other of the Same Gender they not only will never act upon such attraction but they label themselves as Gay/Lesbian. Does anyone have the right to argue that label with them? To tell them, "No, you're really bisexual"? </p><p>No. </p><p>So in the absence of Korra and Asami's future relationship details, for me at least, at this point, there is still a question which label(s) apply to them. If they will never date another person, of any gender, does it make any functional difference if they are bisexual or lesbians? </p><p>And keep in mind that there are many self-determined fully hetero individuals IRL who have short lists of those of the same gender they will "go gay for" given the opportunity. Doesn't make them bisexual, nor should anyone insist they are. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Neo Bahamut wrote: An aside is not a random statement, it is made because it is relevant to something that was being said. You made multiple parenthetical asides in that post, & look at that, ALL of them were directly related to preceding information, because that's what an aside fucking IS. It's extra information that clarifies a point already being made, it's not fucking brain surgery. </p> </i></div>
<p>Bold above and below, mine. </p> <dl><dd><i>"Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one’s own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from."</i> </dd></dl><p>Yes, it is an aside. It is an aside in the middle of making a point about fallacious reasoning and mindsets, which makes it even further from directly relating to Korra and Asami, and is the only time the word is used in both blog posts. </p> <dl><dt>Neo drives colorful cars. </dt><dd><i>Is that a slam dunk victory for colorful car representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with monochrome-phobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose </i>cars<i> and struggles are different from one’s own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, RED CARS are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know cars from all makes and models, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to drive in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone whose car has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from."</i> </dd></dl><p>Is that enough to say without a doubt that Neo's car is red? It does imply it, but is it a slam-dunk victory for red-car representation? I think it falls short of that…. </p>

<p>[sigh] </p><p>My major issue here is that people use the <i>reasoning</i> of "x is bisexual BECAUSE they dated y". When it is actually "x is bisexual DESPITE having dated y" <i>in the past</i>, before they made a self-determination as to who they are attracted to. It is faulty reasoning and can cause turmoil IRL situations. </p><p>If you determine after a series of dating experiences that you are Gay/Lesbian, how would you feel if those whose opinions carry weight with you, such as friends and family, were to insist "No! You <i>cannot</i> be gay/lesbian BECAUSE you USED to date y so you MUST BE this other label"? </p><p>"Erasure" has been constantly brought up. But is not an insistence of "gay erasure" for them to insist that <i>your decision is wrong</i> because that person(s), onlookers, INSISTS that is not the case because they <i>insist</i> that your past dating record is imperative to your decision? </p> <dl><dd>Yes, technically it *is* valid, because *you* (not everyone, just some, in this example *you*) needed to <i>try</i> hetero dating. </dd></dl><p>Gay/Lesbians who used to date hetero should not be pigeonholed into a specific label due to their experiences prior to deciding their orientation, and no else should tell them otherwise. </p><p>This is much like a coin-sorting bank, the type with ramps and slots. A coin is dropped in and it has to pass over several slots until it sorts itself. Is it a dime? A penny? A nickel? A quarter? Or do you say the coin is "bi-value" because it passed over other slots first? </p><p>Again, NOT saying EVERYONE MUST or can ONLY make determinations this way. But fact remains the <i>decision of orientation</i> is up to THEM to do, not for OTHERS to insist. </p><p>And I ALWAYS insisted this applies to certain specific individuals. Most notably Korra/Asami; not "they (K/A) are bisexual BECAUSE…" but "they (K/A) are bisexual DESPITE…", and neither statement invalidates Mako's part of it. </p><p>And I still maintain that between Bryke's two blog posts the word "bisexual" was only mentioned once and as a parenthetical aside. They did not say "Korra and Asami are bisexuals". What they said was "<i>(Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!)</i>" while the majority of their comments were about LGBT and queer representation. </p><p>Which is like in a conversation about the colors of cars you say as an aside (or <i>sotto voce</i>), "red cars are real" (and that is the only time you said "red" in the entire convo). It is a true statement, but the weight of it in the overall conversation is lessened by being an aside (and in the middle of discussing people's perception of queer representation more so than directly hinged upon Korra and Asami). And as words from writers, one has to presume they have a firm grasp on how sentences are structured. </p> <dl><dd>Considering Bryan said it after admitting to his past ignorances, I'd still like to hold a direct correspondence with him/them to ensure—for my own clarification—he/they do indeed understand the significance. </dd></dl><p>It would have had more weight had it been along the lines of "we developed Korra and Asami's relationship as we did because bisexual people are real!" That would have been directly attached to Korrasami and not have been an aside. </p><p>Which, considering Neo's penchant for dissecting sentence structures and word usage, escapes me why they elect to view it as <i>part of the post's overall message</i> THERE, but gets picayune with posts here. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: Ehhh... I'm not sure I follow the logic that you can only identify your orientation based on future relationships. </p> </i></div>
<p>Not ONLY. I never said ONLY. I consistently qualify with "some", "many", and even "most". All words which indicate <i>subsets of a whole</i>. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: Does that mean you are arguing that we don't know the orientation of Korra for sure because any subsequent relationship following Asami isn't shown and specifically stated? </p> </i></div>
<p>Exactly. The franchise canon does not specify. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: If so, I guess I can agree because it is possible to date someone outside of your sexual orientation at first to try. </p> </i></div>
<p>So long as we understand that "first try" could be more than one date and over a span of years. There have even been some who have tried to be heteronormal, doing "what is expected" of them, to the point of marriage and even children. For years. Look to the baseline plots Happily Divorced and Grace and Frankie; fictional TV shows, but also based upon varied true-life experiences. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: So hypothetically if Korra is bi, she will be attracted to both women and men. If Korra is lesbian, she will only date other women. However, we don't know which for sure because we don't have that information.</span></p> </p> </i></div>
Exactly. <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: </p> <p style="font-weight:normal;">But I don't know if I follow the argument that only future/present relationships can one determine one's orientation. While it is true that some people will date around to figure out what they're most comforatable with, other people know what their sexual orientation is without the need to try and date around.</p> </i></div>
As I said before, I never said "only", but qualified my statements using words which indicate subsets… some, many, etc. <p>Also bear in mind that only in recent years have most societies on Earth grown to a point of open acceptance. Still not <i>universally accepted</i>, but open enough more and more people are coming out without the same fear and dread which <i>used to</i> earmark doing so. </p><p>Thus some people are able to be aware and comfortable about their sexuality and orientation at younger and younger ages where older generations had to deal with expectations and pressures to be heteronormal. I'm of an age where there was a heavy stigma surrounding anything other than Het. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: </p> <p style="font-weight:normal;">If I understand it correctly, you're basically saying only after I have been in multiple relationships can I know my sexual orientation? </div>Again, not for everyone is it "only". If so, I find that line of thinking dangerous as t<span style="font-weight:normal;">hat's borderline arguing "sexual orientation is a choice". </span><span style="font-weight:normal;">Where you live is a choice (more or less), your sexual orientation is not.</span><span style="font-weight:normal;"> I also find issue with it because it implies that anyone without a relationship do not know their sexual orientation.</span> I can know my sexual orientation even if I decide to be celebate for the rest of my life and never date another human being because I know who I am and am not naturally attracted to. It's like telling a gay person "well how do you know you're not straight if you've never dated a (person of the opposite gender)?" See the problem there? That line of argument also runs into problems when it comes to bisexual identityy. For example, i<span style="font-weight:normal;">t is entirely possible for a bisexual woman to be in a committed relationship with only one guy but still be bisexual. A bisexual girl living out the rest of her life with a guy doesn't mean she's straight, she's still bisexual, she can still potentially find other women attractive. Relationship status does not, and should not, define someone's orientation.</span></p> </i></div>
<p>Keep in mind that people also have the right to establish their own labels. It is possible for two individuals with virtually identical circumstances to not elect to live with the same labels. One can self-identify as "bisexual" and the other as "gay/lesbian". </p><p>Also there is a difference between Sexual Identity and Sex. One is a function of love/attraction, the other is purely mechanical. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Synchrony wrote: </p> <p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;">Just to be clear, I agree that we cannot know Korra's sexual orientation for sure based on evidence provided in the show. However, I disagree with the analogy that sexual orientation is a "destination" like your living location.</span></p> </i></div>
<p>Thank you for acknowledging I have a point about what the show presents us. I repeat I was not saying "everyone ONLY" makes a determination after a journey and destination. </p><p>Finally, and once again, I am taking issue with the reasoning applied to Korra and Asami that "<i>they are bisexual BECAUSE they dated Mako.</i>" I reiterate that at best "they are bisexual DESPITE having dated Mako." </p><p>While there is no hint about Asami's dating experiences, we DO KNOW for a fact Korra had been sequestered at the bottom of the world all her life and that Mako was not only her first dating experience but only the 2nd friendly guy (3rd if counting the hobo) she ever met "out in the world". Certainly her actual relationship with Mako was fraught with the same sort of issues which earmark someone trying to be something they are not. (and if Wuko is to be "a thing", then even Mako was forcing himself with both Makorra and Masami… but I digress…) </p><p>And who were among her mentors? The widow of one of her past lives and Family Man Tenzin. Which <i>implies</i> she had heteronormal expectations if from nothing else other than what she saw about her. And until Korrasami happened, canon gave zero hints that same-gender was even a thing in their world. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>NervousShipper wrote: ... No. I don't think it's a good idea to discount an entire sexuality just because it makes it more difficult for you to pigeonhole them. </p> </i></div>
<p>I'm suggesting we restrict the discussion to Het vs Bi/Gay because those are the only sexualities <i>canon</i> gives us. Bringing up the <i>possibility</i> of Pan- and or Omni-, or any other part of the spectrum is useless when discussing Korra and Asami. It would only be unfounded speculation. </p><p>Might as well ask the possibility of them dating Kya. Or Lin. "Is it possible?" Already answered; yes it is <i>possible</i>, but since canon did not hint at anything other than the girls dating Mako, then might as well ask if it is possible for there to be air on their moon. </p>

<p>They <i>could be</i>. Sure. </p><p>The problem with such speculation is that the franchise really does not touch much on the sexual spectrum. Canon has only shown us het and bi/gay, and the latter ONLY with Korra and Asami. Any other examples of the spectrum come from either Word of God or fanon. And while the latter is unreliable, *I* am unaware (might be Bryke did mention, just that I've not seen it) of the former discussing those specific sexualities. </p><p>Fact is, until the finale there was no indication that same-gender relationships *existed* in canon, which is why early Camp Korrasami was in the realm of "crackship" even to those of us who wanted to see it happen. Cause, <i>yes</i>, the hints and indications of it, while there, <i>were</i> subtle as hell. Canon did not even give us any same-gendered couples in a domestic environment. Not even in the AtLA SWT where all the able-bodied men had gone to war did we catch a hint of two women <i>living</i> together. </p><p>But in this arc of the discussion, even Pan/Omnisexual suffers from the oft-stated reasoning "they are Bi *because* of Mako" and accusations of "bi-erasure". </p><p>But for the sake of KISS, I suggest we just restrict ourselves to Het vs Gay concerning Korra and Asami's sexualities. </p>

<p>When an individual finally self-determines their sexual identity, orientation, and preferences, it does not (should not) invalidate previous experiences. While some might, not everyone <i>knows</i> these things about themselves without some experiences under their belts. Many have to go on hetero dates in order to learn if that is for them. </p><p>Korra and Asami dated Mako. That is true, fact, and canon. But THAT is not what makes them bisexual. Repeating myself here, but what makes them bisexual is what they will be willing to date (without coercion) in the future. If there will ever be talk of guys, then yeah, bisexual. If there is never talk of guys and they remain committed to each-other-only then they could be lesbians, or simply, <i>the labeling is moot</i> as it will not matter what the gender of anyone other than their committed Significant Other is since there will be NO ONE ELSE. </p><p>Bisexual or Lesbian, that determination they (or anyone) makes about themselves is what is known as a "destination". All the dating experiences before that is known as a "journey". </p><p>I've presented the analogy of Shoes above (and elsewhere), but let's try a different one. </p><p>I was born in Boston, Mass, USA. </p><p>Currently I live in a shore town in NJ, USA and consider it my '<i>Hometown</i>. Does my NJ residence <i>invalidate</i> the place of my birth? No. But neither do I live there anymore. </p><p>Extending this, I hold a Citizenship in the US, the country of my birth. I could move to, seek, and gain citizenship in another country. I'd no longer be an American Citizen but instead that of my new country. It does not invalidate that I was born American, I'd just no longer be an American. (let's stick to the analogy and not argue the fact that IRL ppl would still peg my ethnicity as American by my looks, accent and such) </p><p>UNLESS I decide to <i>maintain dual citizenships</i>. One in both. Maintain a home in each. Then I'd be "bi-citizen" or "bi-country" and feel comfortable spending considerable time residing in each. </p><p>In neither of these analogies does my original condition become <i>invalidated</i> by my new condition. </p><p>So Korra, who had been sequestered away from the world dated literally the 2nd friendly guy she met (3rd if you count the hobo) and it did not work. That is part of her journey, and her deciding she is Bi or Lesbian does not invalidate the FACT she dated him. She is just not <i>defined</i> by that fact; that she <i>tried</i> hetero is not what makes her bisexual. She can only be defined as bisexual <i>if she will ever date a guy in the future</i>. </p><p>"Bisexual Erasure" would be if someone wishes to completely ignore, forget, and retcon their (or someone else's, like some parents concerning their children's sexuality) as if it never happened. Like being a LUG )or BUG) in college and not even admit to an "experimenting phase". That's erasure. There are times I wish I could "First Marriage Erasure", pretend I never married my jerko ex-husband, except it would mean I'd have to "erasure" the children I had by him and that's not right… </p>

<p>First, great job necroing this thread from a comment 230 posts ago. The convo really does not need to be refreshed. </p><p>I am not participating in "bisexual erasure". And I'm sorry everyone who thinks I am is missing the point. </p><p>I'm trying to advance understanding as to what exactly makes a person bisexual. It is NOT <i>who they dated in their past</i> prior to their orientation-self-determination. It is who they date from then on. </p><p>Look back over this and other threads and you'll consistently see the reasoning of "they are bisexual <i>because</i> they dated Mako". </p><p>NO. </p><p>They are bisexual <i>despite</i> having dated Mako. </p><p>As part of their past, before Korrasami deciding on their sexual orientation and dating preferences, having attempted hetero dating is not what makes them "bisexual". </p><p>The proof of their bisexuality can only be determined if in the future, without coercion ("date me or I'll have her killed"), they decide to date someone of the opposite gender. </p><p>I knew I was bisexual not because I used to serial-date guys, but because <i>after</i> dating a girl, I was equally comfortable dating guys *still*. That's what makes *me* bisexual. That's what makes *anyone* bisexual. </p><p>And, if they never date a guy or express an interest in possibly ever dating a guy, they are just as easily lesbians. If after having dated girls I never met a guy I was interested in dating, the label of "lesbian" would apply just as easily. And as long as I remain in a committed relationship with a girl, the issue of if I'm Bi or not is moot. </p><p>But no matter what, no one should try to *tell me* my sexual orientation and or preferences based upon who I *used* to date before I decided for myself what I am about. Before I made my own decision, no one has the right to say to me "You are Bi because you used to date hetero." </p><p>And my determination came late in my life. I had been married to a guy, had children, was about to marry another man, and had never once had any doubts to my sexual compass. Yet it was not who I *used* to be with, it was who I was willing to be with from that point forward. </p><p>Now, being their fictional creation, Bryke are about the only ones who *can* say if Korrasami are bisexuals or lesbians. But I still reserve doubt to if they understand the point I'm making unless I get the opportunity to discuss it with them directly, as opposed to them just making statements as they think they understand it. </p><p>However, in real life do not try to <i>force</i> upon people the reasoning of "you are bisexual *because* of who you used to date". 1) it is the future not the past which matters, and 2) let them determine for themselves their labels. </p>

<p>Agreed. When I write fics I love to <i>get</i> the opinions of my readers and fans. Especially <i>constructive</i> criticism. </p><p>Doesn't mean I <i>will accept</i> opinions presented to me. Especially concerning elements of the plots. My stories are <i>my stories</i>, not open-source collabs or crowd-committee projects. People don't like something about my stories, they can go read something else… </p><p>Bryke has the Right to ensure the visionary integrity of their stories. <i>They owe us nothing.</i> </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Philanahembree wrote: No problem with it, but it came out of nowhere. </p> </i></div>
<p>Then how is it an entire *camp* of the fandom saw it developing?? Some of us actually saw their chemistry as early as the racecar ride, but admittedly that early it was in the realm of "crackship"—mainly because we didn't think they'd ever canonize the ship—but we saw it develop steadily from/after there. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Philanahembree wrote: I call bullshit on that, you don't just go around banging a dozen guys and then your a lesbian all of a sudden. That's not how being sexually confused works. </p> </i></div>
<p>Uhm. Yes. It does. It most definitely can happen that way. </p><p>People <i>married for years and even with (biological) children</i> can one day decide they've been a "shoe on the wrong foot" far too long and make the adjustment, whether they openly Come Out or not. Sometimes it may require a triggering encounter with "just the right individual" to "open their eyes". </p>