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<div class="quote"><i>AirMasterParker wrote:
It's not like Mary Jane wasn't insufferably clichéd in the entire trilogy (though it's fine since she wasn't really the main focus). <p>To be honest, I could relate with the characters, I specially did with Mako because he made similar mistakes like me, and the same with Book One Korra. </p><p>I guess I could give you the "Why would anyone stay around until the end". I particularly didn't like the characters in Dragon Prince after watching season 1 and part of 2 cause I thought they were incredibly annoying, literally every single one of them; that and the animation made me drop the show. </p> </i></div>
<p>I mean its a realization a lot of us need to have. We all don't like the same things. Some people love Korra some can't stand her. Everybody doesnt necessarily relate or see the same things when we look at the same character. We tend to get in petty circle jerks ove arguing. When in reality you aren't going to probably sway anyones opinion. </p><p>Anyways as far as I original discussion gender doesnt matter to me. I more concerned with the personality. We had a pacifist avatar, and a cocky avatar. I wonder what would be the ideal next one. Personally either want to see a selfish borderline "evil" one or a coward. Both would offer interesting character journeys. </p>
It's not like Mary Jane wasn't insufferably clichéd in the entire trilogy (though it's fine since she wasn't really the main focus). <p>To be honest, I could relate with the characters, I specially did with Mako because he made similar mistakes like me, and the same with Book One Korra. </p><p>I guess I could give you the "Why would anyone stay around until the end". I particularly didn't like the characters in Dragon Prince after watching season 1 and part of 2 cause I thought they were incredibly annoying, literally every single one of them; that and the animation made me drop the show. </p> </i></div>
<p>I mean its a realization a lot of us need to have. We all don't like the same things. Some people love Korra some can't stand her. Everybody doesnt necessarily relate or see the same things when we look at the same character. We tend to get in petty circle jerks ove arguing. When in reality you aren't going to probably sway anyones opinion. </p><p>Anyways as far as I original discussion gender doesnt matter to me. I more concerned with the personality. We had a pacifist avatar, and a cocky avatar. I wonder what would be the ideal next one. Personally either want to see a selfish borderline "evil" one or a coward. Both would offer interesting character journeys. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AirMasterParker wrote:<div class="quote">
<p>Nah 1 and 2 pacing was terrible. Korra stayed like a brat longer than she showed character growth. She didn't become a more balanced character until 3 and 4 imo. I was one of the ones who left the series and came back because I heard season 3 was great.
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I'm not denying that the pacing of Book One and Two wasn't great, what I'm saying is, if someone only watched half of a movie or show without getting to the end, they can't have a valid opinion on the overall story or character, cause they've literally seen just half of it. It's like someone saying that Raimi's Spider-man Trilogy is bad, but only saw Spider-man 3. </div> <p>Nah not the same principal. If you have a dislike for a character for two seasons. What makes you think everyone wants to stay around until the end. It wasn't just Korra most of the group wasnt that appetizing. Fans clearly hated Makko because of those first two seasons. (Which is weird because they forgave Korra who was extremely similar lol). Then there is Asami who didn't do anything of worth those first two seasons. Bolin was the only somewhat interesting but he was just a dumber Sokka. I mean Amon saved the first season. He was the fan favorite. </p>
I'm not denying that the pacing of Book One and Two wasn't great, what I'm saying is, if someone only watched half of a movie or show without getting to the end, they can't have a valid opinion on the overall story or character, cause they've literally seen just half of it. It's like someone saying that Raimi's Spider-man Trilogy is bad, but only saw Spider-man 3. </div> <p>Nah not the same principal. If you have a dislike for a character for two seasons. What makes you think everyone wants to stay around until the end. It wasn't just Korra most of the group wasnt that appetizing. Fans clearly hated Makko because of those first two seasons. (Which is weird because they forgave Korra who was extremely similar lol). Then there is Asami who didn't do anything of worth those first two seasons. Bolin was the only somewhat interesting but he was just a dumber Sokka. I mean Amon saved the first season. He was the fan favorite. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AirMasterParker wrote:
On the other hand, there's no denying there's great female characters like Sarah Connor, Leia, probably Xena as you said (even though I have no idea where is she from, I'm going to take your word), that don't need to show how preachy they're. <p>The thing with Korra is, she's an actual character (as well, not like the others are less), she has develpment, hardships, weaknesses, strengths. She's three-dimensional; part on the reason on why she's shown she's strong is, first because you can literally see she's BUFF and JACKED than a typical woman, in Book One: Air, it was literally a part of her personality to demonstrate the need to be strong, because she used to have a big ego and a big image of herself, fast forward to the second half of Book One, she starts to have doubts of herself, she is scared for the first time, she was overpowered, something she believed impossible. There was an undeniable development there. Of course then she got the Avatar State and regained her confidence, but that doesn't erase her trauma or experience, as you can see in Book Three and Four. </p> </i></div>
<p>There is no doubt korra is a character was her official ending turned political yes it was. But I don't want to debate that beaten horse. I rather stay on the conversation of proper female character development. Korra whether you like her or hate her is a well written character. She just suffered badly from pacing in the first two seasons to me is. Meaning they are talented enough to write great female characters. They have already anyways Katara was a great character long before her. However if they just follow the trends of current writers I'm going to take a hard pass. Fiction used to be a neutral ground for politics where all types of ideas coexist. Now it seems like a toxic battleground for extremist to get their ideas off. Well Im open for whatever. But my expectation of a good character coming out is low. The writing trends for female character right now is crappy. </p>
On the other hand, there's no denying there's great female characters like Sarah Connor, Leia, probably Xena as you said (even though I have no idea where is she from, I'm going to take your word), that don't need to show how preachy they're. <p>The thing with Korra is, she's an actual character (as well, not like the others are less), she has develpment, hardships, weaknesses, strengths. She's three-dimensional; part on the reason on why she's shown she's strong is, first because you can literally see she's BUFF and JACKED than a typical woman, in Book One: Air, it was literally a part of her personality to demonstrate the need to be strong, because she used to have a big ego and a big image of herself, fast forward to the second half of Book One, she starts to have doubts of herself, she is scared for the first time, she was overpowered, something she believed impossible. There was an undeniable development there. Of course then she got the Avatar State and regained her confidence, but that doesn't erase her trauma or experience, as you can see in Book Three and Four. </p> </i></div>
<p>There is no doubt korra is a character was her official ending turned political yes it was. But I don't want to debate that beaten horse. I rather stay on the conversation of proper female character development. Korra whether you like her or hate her is a well written character. She just suffered badly from pacing in the first two seasons to me is. Meaning they are talented enough to write great female characters. They have already anyways Katara was a great character long before her. However if they just follow the trends of current writers I'm going to take a hard pass. Fiction used to be a neutral ground for politics where all types of ideas coexist. Now it seems like a toxic battleground for extremist to get their ideas off. Well Im open for whatever. But my expectation of a good character coming out is low. The writing trends for female character right now is crappy. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AirMasterParker wrote:<div class="quote">
<p>Korra was a mixed reaction. You have her hardcore fans but there is more than a sizable amount of fans that disliked her. Disliked her so much they didn't even watch season 3 and 4.
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<p>If they didn't saw an essential part of the story of a character's development it's literally their problem, not the character's. </p> </div> <p>Nah 1 and 2 pacing was terrible. Korra stayed like a brat longer than she showed character growth. She didn't become a more balanced character until 3 and 4 imo. I was one of the ones who left the series and came back because I heard season 3 was great. </p>
<p>If they didn't saw an essential part of the story of a character's development it's literally their problem, not the character's. </p> </div> <p>Nah 1 and 2 pacing was terrible. Korra stayed like a brat longer than she showed character growth. She didn't become a more balanced character until 3 and 4 imo. I was one of the ones who left the series and came back because I heard season 3 was great. </p>
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<p>Most popular heroes are male because they don't know how to write female protagonist. Not even female writers know how to. All they know how to create is ironically the ones you name rey and capt marvel. Why because they go in with an agenda instead of thinking about the story itself. The girl ends up a mary sue with no personality that can do anything. Most of them don't go through any real hardships. That right there is why arguements in the fandoms pop up the writing quality. I don't care if the avatar is male or female if the writing is good.
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Korra was an overpowered female protagonist too, yet she managed to have much more character than Carol and Rey combined, and actually went through real hardships (especially in Books 3 & 4). And I haven't watched it but I've heard good things about Adora in She-Ra, another female protagonist who's the most powerful or something (?) (again, it's what I've heard, I haven0t watched the show myself yet, and Idk if it's worth it). <p>Instead of just sticking around with going for the male protagonist first because it's a safe choice and easier to write, we have to challenge ourselves to write good female protagonists. Or protagonists that don't rely on their gender to be a good character. </p> </div> <p>Korra was a mixed reaction You have her hardcore fans but there is more than a sizable amount of fans that disliked her. Disliked her so much they didn't even watch season 3 and 4. I am sure you have heard that in avatar discussions. Granted I will say it had nothing to do with her being female more to do with people not liking her personality lol. Shera I know nothing about her. I don't like the concept of the show. </p><p>The problem with female characters they are always written with a political mindframe. They gotta emphasize feminism or if she is too awesome to be with a man she needs a girlfriend. Those elements are not introduced naturally they are manufactured with preachy messages. You don't engage in a story like avatar to be preached at or constatntly reminded of the nonsensical real world arguements. You go for escapism. An awesome female character doesn't need to say she is strong she just is. That is why all these female characters are failing and creating backlash. </p><p>Lets use Xena as an example she was just awesome. She had girlfriends and boyfriends. She hit everything. She was just written to be awesome. They didn't go in with any of that in mind they just wrote great stories for her. In fact she was just a spin off character/former villain from another show when she started. Nowadays strong female characters are shallow duplications of her. People should watch blindpsot another great example of a dope female character. Hell look at Kill bill a female dominated movie.That would probably be a top 5 example of greatest female protagonist. </p>
Korra was an overpowered female protagonist too, yet she managed to have much more character than Carol and Rey combined, and actually went through real hardships (especially in Books 3 & 4). And I haven't watched it but I've heard good things about Adora in She-Ra, another female protagonist who's the most powerful or something (?) (again, it's what I've heard, I haven0t watched the show myself yet, and Idk if it's worth it). <p>Instead of just sticking around with going for the male protagonist first because it's a safe choice and easier to write, we have to challenge ourselves to write good female protagonists. Or protagonists that don't rely on their gender to be a good character. </p> </div> <p>Korra was a mixed reaction You have her hardcore fans but there is more than a sizable amount of fans that disliked her. Disliked her so much they didn't even watch season 3 and 4. I am sure you have heard that in avatar discussions. Granted I will say it had nothing to do with her being female more to do with people not liking her personality lol. Shera I know nothing about her. I don't like the concept of the show. </p><p>The problem with female characters they are always written with a political mindframe. They gotta emphasize feminism or if she is too awesome to be with a man she needs a girlfriend. Those elements are not introduced naturally they are manufactured with preachy messages. You don't engage in a story like avatar to be preached at or constatntly reminded of the nonsensical real world arguements. You go for escapism. An awesome female character doesn't need to say she is strong she just is. That is why all these female characters are failing and creating backlash. </p><p>Lets use Xena as an example she was just awesome. She had girlfriends and boyfriends. She hit everything. She was just written to be awesome. They didn't go in with any of that in mind they just wrote great stories for her. In fact she was just a spin off character/former villain from another show when she started. Nowadays strong female characters are shallow duplications of her. People should watch blindpsot another great example of a dope female character. Hell look at Kill bill a female dominated movie.That would probably be a top 5 example of greatest female protagonist. </p>
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<p>Why does that matter? The fact you wish it makes mev dont want to see it. When a fandom wish for something to happen and the writers do it that is trash writing wish fulfillment to me. I rather they just write a great story. For instance Kyoshi is a better story than Korra by a huge margin. The writer doesn't focus on superficial aspects like shipping and just tells stories of her relationships that flow naturally,
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The most popular heroes nowadays are mostly male, it's not harmful or wrong to see more heroines (with exceptions like Rey or Capt. Marvel, who have no character). <p>I haven't read Kyoshi's story yet, but I have friends that have read it, and while I might agree already by thier word that shipping was handled better, here's a thing: a lot of the story's plot points are copied from a fanfiction called <i>Legend of Genji</i>. I know it cause I'm an artist in it. Also, as far as I know, I think the (unnecessary) focus on the shipping (in Book One only) was part of Nickelodeon's request to attract the audience. </p> </div> <p>Most popular heroes are male because they don't know how to write female protagonist. Not even female writers know how to. All they know how to create is ironically the ones you name rey and capt marvel. Why because they go in with an agenda instead of thinking about the story itself. The girl ends up a mary sue with no personality that can do anything. Most of them don't go through any real hardships. That right there is why arguements in the fandoms pop up the writing quality. I don't care if the avatar is male or female if the writing is good. </p>
The most popular heroes nowadays are mostly male, it's not harmful or wrong to see more heroines (with exceptions like Rey or Capt. Marvel, who have no character). <p>I haven't read Kyoshi's story yet, but I have friends that have read it, and while I might agree already by thier word that shipping was handled better, here's a thing: a lot of the story's plot points are copied from a fanfiction called <i>Legend of Genji</i>. I know it cause I'm an artist in it. Also, as far as I know, I think the (unnecessary) focus on the shipping (in Book One only) was part of Nickelodeon's request to attract the audience. </p> </div> <p>Most popular heroes are male because they don't know how to write female protagonist. Not even female writers know how to. All they know how to create is ironically the ones you name rey and capt marvel. Why because they go in with an agenda instead of thinking about the story itself. The girl ends up a mary sue with no personality that can do anything. Most of them don't go through any real hardships. That right there is why arguements in the fandoms pop up the writing quality. I don't care if the avatar is male or female if the writing is good. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Hong Shen wrote:<div class="quote">Ironbender wrote:
Its not surprising for an avatar to be bi in hindsight. Considering the original soul is a man. Even the female avatars clearly show masculinity lol</i></div>
We need more female avatars.</div> <p>Why does that matter? The fact you wish it makes mev dont want to see it. When a fandom wish for something to happen and the writers do it that is trash writing wish fulfillment to me. I rather they just write a great story. For instance Kyoshi is a better story than Korra by a huge margin. The writer doesn't focus on superficial aspects like shipping and just tells stories of her relationships that flow naturally, </p>
Its not surprising for an avatar to be bi in hindsight. Considering the original soul is a man. Even the female avatars clearly show masculinity lol</i></div>
We need more female avatars.</div> <p>Why does that matter? The fact you wish it makes mev dont want to see it. When a fandom wish for something to happen and the writers do it that is trash writing wish fulfillment to me. I rather they just write a great story. For instance Kyoshi is a better story than Korra by a huge margin. The writer doesn't focus on superficial aspects like shipping and just tells stories of her relationships that flow naturally, </p>
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Its not surprising for an avatar to be bi in hindsight. Considering the original soul is a man. Even the female avatars clearly show masculinity lol
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<div class="quote">Ironbender wrote:<div class="quote">Sergio N wrote:<div class="quote">Uchiha Firebender Fanboy wrote:
No! Never! Because Mako would objectively only be compatible with a firebending, young, and attractive woman who's exactly like him especially sharing his past experiences in the romantic department. Only Satan, the Devil, and those godless/secular/prideful people ship that disgusting Korrasami ship.</i></div>
Korrasami isn't a disgusting pairing! It's a very good pairing. You saying the Korrasami pairing is disgusting makes me think your homophobic like a good few Korrasami haters are! <p>Personally I can see Mako staying singe after his failed relationships with both Korra and Asami. </p> </div>Why would he stay single? Korra did the same things Mako did lol. He just get more heat. </div> <p>Let's see he might want to stay single after his failed relationships with Korra and Asami, as well as the fact their now dating each other, that might make him think that he was such a bad boyfriend that he turned them gay. (My youngest nephew thinks that's what happened, that Mako was such a bad boyfriend in Book 2, betraying Korra by ratting her out to Raiko and what he did with Asami, that his ex-girlfriends became lesbians.) </p> </div> <p>He never turned Korra gay considering her spirit originates from a man. She even operates like a man.You don’t want to have crazy nonsensical arguments with me lol </p>
No! Never! Because Mako would objectively only be compatible with a firebending, young, and attractive woman who's exactly like him especially sharing his past experiences in the romantic department. Only Satan, the Devil, and those godless/secular/prideful people ship that disgusting Korrasami ship.</i></div>
Korrasami isn't a disgusting pairing! It's a very good pairing. You saying the Korrasami pairing is disgusting makes me think your homophobic like a good few Korrasami haters are! <p>Personally I can see Mako staying singe after his failed relationships with both Korra and Asami. </p> </div>Why would he stay single? Korra did the same things Mako did lol. He just get more heat. </div> <p>Let's see he might want to stay single after his failed relationships with Korra and Asami, as well as the fact their now dating each other, that might make him think that he was such a bad boyfriend that he turned them gay. (My youngest nephew thinks that's what happened, that Mako was such a bad boyfriend in Book 2, betraying Korra by ratting her out to Raiko and what he did with Asami, that his ex-girlfriends became lesbians.) </p> </div> <p>He never turned Korra gay considering her spirit originates from a man. She even operates like a man.You don’t want to have crazy nonsensical arguments with me lol </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Sergio N wrote:<div class="quote">Uchiha Firebender Fanboy wrote:
No! Never! Because Mako would objectively only be compatible with a firebending, young, and attractive woman who's exactly like him especially sharing his past experiences in the romantic department. Only Satan, the Devil, and those godless/secular/prideful people ship that disgusting Korrasami ship.</i></div>
Korrasami isn't a disgusting pairing! It's a very good pairing. You saying the Korrasami pairing is disgusting makes me think your homophobic like a good few Korrasami haters are! <p>Personally I can see Mako staying singe after his failed relationships with both Korra and Asami. </p> </div> <p>Why would he stay single? Korra did the same things Mako did lol. He just get more heat. </p>
No! Never! Because Mako would objectively only be compatible with a firebending, young, and attractive woman who's exactly like him especially sharing his past experiences in the romantic department. Only Satan, the Devil, and those godless/secular/prideful people ship that disgusting Korrasami ship.</i></div>
Korrasami isn't a disgusting pairing! It's a very good pairing. You saying the Korrasami pairing is disgusting makes me think your homophobic like a good few Korrasami haters are! <p>Personally I can see Mako staying singe after his failed relationships with both Korra and Asami. </p> </div> <p>Why would he stay single? Korra did the same things Mako did lol. He just get more heat. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Sergio N wrote:<div class="quote">Ironbender wrote:<div class="quote">Sergio N wrote:
Having it Asami gets brainwashed in Ruins Of The Empire, after being kidnapped by the Triads in Turf Wars is stupid, once again the comics are taking the strong character Asami was in the show and making her weak. <p>
It'd be better if in part 3, Mako, Bolin and Korra were brainwashed, leaving Asami no choice but to work alongside Kuvira to save her friends, the woman who killed her father. </p><p>
I was on the fence about getting Ruins Of The Empire, now I know. I'm not getting it! </p> </i></div>
That is all Asami is a damsel I tell people this and they get mad lol.</div>Well whoever is writing the plot for these comics needs to be replaced, so someone can take over who'll do better than making Asami a cliche damsel in distress. </div> <p>Asami has never been anything more than an relationship trophy. She has zero depth by herself as acharacter. Hell even the relationship when she is suppose to be the one giving advice to Korra she isn't used. Makko has been the one they used to have those important talks with Korra. </p>
Having it Asami gets brainwashed in Ruins Of The Empire, after being kidnapped by the Triads in Turf Wars is stupid, once again the comics are taking the strong character Asami was in the show and making her weak. <p>
It'd be better if in part 3, Mako, Bolin and Korra were brainwashed, leaving Asami no choice but to work alongside Kuvira to save her friends, the woman who killed her father. </p><p>
I was on the fence about getting Ruins Of The Empire, now I know. I'm not getting it! </p> </i></div>
That is all Asami is a damsel I tell people this and they get mad lol.</div>Well whoever is writing the plot for these comics needs to be replaced, so someone can take over who'll do better than making Asami a cliche damsel in distress. </div> <p>Asami has never been anything more than an relationship trophy. She has zero depth by herself as acharacter. Hell even the relationship when she is suppose to be the one giving advice to Korra she isn't used. Makko has been the one they used to have those important talks with Korra. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Sergio N wrote:
Having it Asami gets brainwashed in Ruins Of The Empire, after being kidnapped by the Triads in Turf Wars is stupid, once again the comics are taking the strong character Asami was in the show and making her weak. <p>
It'd be better if in part 3, Mako, Bolin and Korra were brainwashed, leaving Asami no choice but to work alongside Kuvira to save her friends, the woman who killed her father. </p><p>
I was on the fence about getting Ruins Of The Empire, now I know. I'm not getting it! </p> </i></div>
<p>That is all Asami is a damsel I tell people this and they get mad lol. </p>
Having it Asami gets brainwashed in Ruins Of The Empire, after being kidnapped by the Triads in Turf Wars is stupid, once again the comics are taking the strong character Asami was in the show and making her weak. <p>
It'd be better if in part 3, Mako, Bolin and Korra were brainwashed, leaving Asami no choice but to work alongside Kuvira to save her friends, the woman who killed her father. </p><p>
I was on the fence about getting Ruins Of The Empire, now I know. I'm not getting it! </p> </i></div>
<p>That is all Asami is a damsel I tell people this and they get mad lol. </p>
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<div class="quote">How is stating part of a story as cringe and pandering offensive. Legit need to understand this</i></div>
<p>I mean, you could try reading what I said: </p> <div class="quote"><i>But if "cussing" proves I'm being hostile, then Ironbender was being hostile first, because he said "cringe ass" right up there in the post quoted in the OP. I'm not citing that as evidence, I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. You can't just decide that everything I do is evidence that I'm harassing people, then accuse me of doing that to you. You can't complain that I'm "swearing," but defend Ironbender, who literally called me a faggot before his last ban!</i></div>
<p>How is me saying "shit" a few times offensive? Because that's what Truthteller said. </p> </div> <p>I read what you said and I don’t get how you interpreted what I said. You think I refer only queer couples when I refer to storytelling nuances in general. Outside of Sokka avatar romances in general mostly suck lol. </p><p>As for the rest you clearly hold a grudge. I haven’t even came at you and in general mostly don’t respond because we don’t fuck with each other. This only came to be because that zealot person is hawking anything pertaining to this topic and you backed him because of something that happened a year ago </p>
<p>I mean, you could try reading what I said: </p> <div class="quote"><i>But if "cussing" proves I'm being hostile, then Ironbender was being hostile first, because he said "cringe ass" right up there in the post quoted in the OP. I'm not citing that as evidence, I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. You can't just decide that everything I do is evidence that I'm harassing people, then accuse me of doing that to you. You can't complain that I'm "swearing," but defend Ironbender, who literally called me a faggot before his last ban!</i></div>
<p>How is me saying "shit" a few times offensive? Because that's what Truthteller said. </p> </div> <p>I read what you said and I don’t get how you interpreted what I said. You think I refer only queer couples when I refer to storytelling nuances in general. Outside of Sokka avatar romances in general mostly suck lol. </p><p>As for the rest you clearly hold a grudge. I haven’t even came at you and in general mostly don’t respond because we don’t fuck with each other. This only came to be because that zealot person is hawking anything pertaining to this topic and you backed him because of something that happened a year ago </p>
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<p>How is stating part of a story as cringe and pandering offensive. Legit need to understand this. My comments have nothing to do with bashing and has everything to do with portrayal vs sincerity. It has to do with saying something along the lines as the girl team up in endgame was cringe as hell vs a dope female saga like kill bill who didn’t need token scene they were just badass
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Okay, Truthteller and Ironbender, your attitude and comments need serious attention. Regardless of your intention, they are coming off as rude <i>and</i> homophobic. Avatar Wiki is an open and welcoming site and we don't tolerate any an incivility.
</p><p>I <i>strongly</i> encourage you to engage in less controversial conversation. By continuing to engage in a topic that you <i>know</i> is controversial, by using derogatory language and by provoking other users, you are very quickly going to find yourself banned more permanently from the wiki.
</p><p>This is a warning to check yourself. I am, frankly, sick of this same argument, and I'm sure that other users are, too.
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<p>Nothing about what I said was homophobic nor is there any rule about having an opinion that others disagree with warrants a ban. You legit are coming off as obviously bias. Which is something a moderator of a non private discussion forum shouldn’t be. The first time you banned me was unwarranted and already addressed by a previous mod. That was the first red flag about the way you operate Plenty of people are ok with the conversation only few are antagonistic </p>
<p>Nothing about what I said was homophobic nor is there any rule about having an opinion that others disagree with warrants a ban. You legit are coming off as obviously bias. Which is something a moderator of a non private discussion forum shouldn’t be. The first time you banned me was unwarranted and already addressed by a previous mod. That was the first red flag about the way you operate Plenty of people are ok with the conversation only few are antagonistic </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Babyfriend1 wrote:
I think that people shouldn't ignore all information they don't like and that our conception of reality is based on information we like and dislike. Being willing to tell someone what you believe without offending them is an admirable quality. Only telling people what they want to hear is pandering.</i></div>
<p>Exactly my thoughts stem from the fact writing on these shows has long past the basic lets introduce a character into the story for representation. Who cares its 2019 that shallow view point of throwing out tokens undervalues the story. Whether you disagree with it is your opinion. However once the real conversation starts around this subject lots of people agree to a degree. They just don't argue because of the rabid fanbase that just want one sided conversations. I am going to drop out of this thread. I don't want to keep arguing this time is better spent. </p>
I think that people shouldn't ignore all information they don't like and that our conception of reality is based on information we like and dislike. Being willing to tell someone what you believe without offending them is an admirable quality. Only telling people what they want to hear is pandering.</i></div>
<p>Exactly my thoughts stem from the fact writing on these shows has long past the basic lets introduce a character into the story for representation. Who cares its 2019 that shallow view point of throwing out tokens undervalues the story. Whether you disagree with it is your opinion. However once the real conversation starts around this subject lots of people agree to a degree. They just don't argue because of the rabid fanbase that just want one sided conversations. I am going to drop out of this thread. I don't want to keep arguing this time is better spent. </p>
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<p>Bolin season 1 was the most developed he has ever been. After that had him all over the place. Not even in a necessarily good way. His escapades barely had anything to do with the main adventures of their team. Honestly though except for Korra there is no growth. Makko seemed to almost be the most stable character. Only because they seem to stall him out. He is mainly just a fighter. Asami seems to fluctuate from inventor and damsel in distress
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Season 2 weakened his character drastically. He created entertaining side stories for laughs. But he never became as grounded as he was in season 1. He was just the comic relief. But Asami is handled way worse than him. Most of the time.
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I only mention it because both showcase the characters traits are way more engaging when their relationships are natural. Vs being gay all they emphasize about that character. Korra and Asami has great interactions without overriding the entire plot to display or justify it.
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<p>Yes, I get where you're coming from and I agree with you there. I am not too happy with the events of Turf Wars because, while I know why Mike wrote things that way (especially Turf Wars Part 1), I think it could have been done better. But all that was needed in order to transition to Ruins of the Empire and now we can enjoy things more. </p> </div> <p>I am always of the opinion nothing should be restricted. But at the same time never throw token pieces just to please a certain fan base. You tell a great story flushing out and creating real relationships you won’t have any complaints. Another example the magicians. I know it’s different on so many levels. But the natural way they introduce progressive relationships is heads over most shows. It moves past the ole I am gay tired tropes. </p>
<p>Yes, I get where you're coming from and I agree with you there. I am not too happy with the events of Turf Wars because, while I know why Mike wrote things that way (especially Turf Wars Part 1), I think it could have been done better. But all that was needed in order to transition to Ruins of the Empire and now we can enjoy things more. </p> </div> <p>I am always of the opinion nothing should be restricted. But at the same time never throw token pieces just to please a certain fan base. You tell a great story flushing out and creating real relationships you won’t have any complaints. Another example the magicians. I know it’s different on so many levels. But the natural way they introduce progressive relationships is heads over most shows. It moves past the ole I am gay tired tropes. </p>
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