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<div class="quote"><i> <p>Did Yue become the new moon spirit (I.e. Take Tui’s job) or do she and Tui share duties to protect the moon or something else? </p> </i></div>
<p>Well, Tui lent her a part of his ... life? soul? essence, and she gave it back to his mortal body, the koi fish. Now it's again Tui, but in the form of Yue, since her soul is now bonded to the moon spirit's, it's kinda <i>infected</i> with the person Yue. I guess much like Hei Bai can appear in different forms, Tui can appear in different forms as well. Or it's more like what the Aye-Aye spirit did to a few humans, or what happened to Tokuga (just the other way round, spirit to human, in this case). </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Also, I love the spiritual shock point as well! Could it also be said that maybe that’s what happens during a solar eclipse for Firebenders? </p> </i></div>
<p>Well, during a solar eclipse the sun energy, the sun light, does not reach the Earth directly since the moon is blocking it, so I guess the source is not available. It's different to nighttime, since in the night the sun <i>is actually hitting</i> the earth, but on the other side of the planet. So that would be a way of explaining it. </p>

<p>It's like in 3x13 of ATLA, in <i>The Firebending Masters</i>. Zuko wants to teach Aang firebending, but suddenly he can't - what happened? He lost his source. He always <i>relied</i> on his inner rage and that's where he drew his power from. So when that was gone, he had to search for a new source. </p><p>The same applies to waterbenders, who learn to push and pull water <i>like the moon</i>, so when it is suddenly gone, it's not only a spiritual shock for them. I mean, we have to block out the fact that the moon can't really be killed. But I've already covered that at some point. So in the end, it comes down to the fact that firebenders don't rely on dragons to bend, but waterbenders more or less rely on Tui & La, who are connected to the physical ocean & moon. </p>

Yeah I know

Waterbenders would have had to find another source for bending just like Zuko had to find another source after he joined Team Avatar

<p>The way I see it, it's just a simplified and shortened explanation so you don't have to go deep into the lore where the priorities clearly lie elsewhere </p>

Yeah so you kill the Spirit but not the Moon

<p>I know, but you can't kill the moon because it's a <i>really, really big and heavy piece of rock in space</i> </p>

<p>The Spirit of the Moon is connected to the physical Moon, but not a part of it (but that's really deep). And it's also worth a discussion if Yue <i>became</i> the Moon Spirit or if the Moon Spirit now just has the soul of Yue </p>

You said it again: "Yue is a part of the moon". Yue is not a part of the moon but of the moon spirit. Are spirits even able to bend?

<p>Zhao killing the moon spirit didn't destroy the moon, that's what I mean. </p><p>And the thing that got me thinking was how "Yue can now waterbend", because how would that work? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Zealous Gamer wrote: Where did you get the idea that the Avatar is the Earth Spirit? </p> </i></div>
<p>That was the original explanation until beginnings came. But it's not that important, just an example </p><p>So if Yue is the moon, then I guess Hei Bai is just the same as the forest? </p><p>Sokka said these words because that's a coloquial conversation and no important speech in an air temple with the whole audition being monks. And yeah, I know the Water Tribe and physics is a bad couple but it doesn't matter how they explain it. </p><p>Of course the Spirit of the Moon and the moon are connected, but they're not the same. Yue even said that the first water benders looked at the moon how it pushed and pulled the tides and not how the koi fish waterbent </p>

<p>She isn't the moon, she is the moon <i>spirit</i>. The moon is just a big thing made of rock "bending" water through physics. The avatar is (or was until beginnings) also not the Earth, but the reincarnation of the Earth <i>spirit</i>. </p>

<p>The original bender is not the moon spirit, but the moon itself. You know, the giant thing traveling around the Earth <i>even in our world</i> </p>

<p>No, because the impurities in metal are a different kind than the impurities in water. In salt water, the minerals are chemically dissolved. </p>

<p>If you don't wish to expand the discussion, I'll stop xD </p>

<p>I didn't say you wrote anything of this. </p><p>But you say there is such thing as the soul/spirit of the past avatar which reaincarnates, which is nowhere stated in the series. Otherwise every human in the avatar world would be reincarnated. </p><p>You said yourself it's a hair in the soup that the newly spawned Raava "holds" all elements and that Korra can bend them after Raava is reborn in her. </p>

<p>The World of Avatar is <i>based</i> on oriental philosophies. But reincarnation doesn't work the same way. Raava and Wan are two separate things. Raava is not reborn as a human being, but enters the human. Raava is not "Wan's spirit", not his soul. </p>

<p>So you intentionally left out this part: </p> <table><tr><th>Wan </th><td>[<i>Raises his head to Raava.</i>] If I'm gonna help you battle Vaatu, then I should visit more lion turtles. [<i>Water lion turtle gives Wan the power of water. Wan immediately raises some water; voice-over.</i>] Why is there so much conflict between humans and spirits in the first place? </td></tr><tr><th>Raava </th><td>[<i>Voice-over.</i>] This physical world is where humans come from. Spirits come from another realm. At the north and south poles, the two realms intersect. Over time, more and more spirits have drifted into this world. [<i>Cut to the earth lion turtle rising and giving Wan the power of earth.</i>] Humans have been forced apart, settling on the lion turtles who protect them and losing touch with each other. </td></tr></table><p>And the lion turtle just says that Raava must hold the power of fire, that doesn't give us any clue whatsoever about how this happens. </p><p>(I hope this source code works) </p>

<p>I read the transcript and it's as I remember, Wan is given the power for Water and Earth and with Air we don't see the scene. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jdo43564 wrote: Wan didn't get his power as you just described and Unalaq could only bend water after Vaatu bonded with him because Vaatu did not possess the power to enable Unalaq to bend anything but his native element. </p> </i></div>
<p>The first thing is because Wan and Raava only fused <i>after</i> he got the <i>ability to bend the</i> elements from the lion turtles. And maybe Vaatu just didn't know how to enable Unalaq to bend the other three elements. </p>