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<div class="quote"><i>BobLogical wrote:
"These damn shippers ruined the show by forcing the creators to do what they wanted! What evidence do I have? None, but it's not the way I wanted it to end! Why didn't they just do what I wanted?"</i></div>
<p>If you have a problem with my evaluations, that's fine. But if you have a problem with expressing my opinions, confront me directly rather than resorting to passive aggressive tactics and misleading my input for others. Otherwise, I'm going to report you to the admins for not being respectful to one's comments. Everybody has a right to express their opinions so long as they're done so in a respectful manner. </p><p>This is my first and final warning to you. </p>
"These damn shippers ruined the show by forcing the creators to do what they wanted! What evidence do I have? None, but it's not the way I wanted it to end! Why didn't they just do what I wanted?"</i></div>
<p>If you have a problem with my evaluations, that's fine. But if you have a problem with expressing my opinions, confront me directly rather than resorting to passive aggressive tactics and misleading my input for others. Otherwise, I'm going to report you to the admins for not being respectful to one's comments. Everybody has a right to express their opinions so long as they're done so in a respectful manner. </p><p>This is my first and final warning to you. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Neo Bahamut wrote:
<div class="quote">Do you know why George Lucas completely rejected the Star Wars extended universe when he gave a green light to the seventh film? Because it would've compromised his artistic integrity; he prevented it being riddled with fan input.</i></div>
We're taking George Lucas as the authority on artistic integrity now? <i>He retroactively edited one of his movies & tried to suppress copies of the original.</i></div> <p>You're missing the point and misinterpreting my example by taking it into a different context. Making changes in a work of art by artist's own need to evolve <i>versus </i>making changes in a work of art by artist being influenced by active/passive fan pressure -- these are two different things. </p><p>My point, to reiterate: Yes, Lucas didn't allow fan input riddle his work; he did the changes on his own work on his own accord. Because he owns the work (at least he used to before Disney owned), he could to whatever he wanted. He didn't compromise his artistic integrity; he made improvements in his own work. In fact, most artists do. But he never allowed fan-driven fantasies influence his work. In fact, Lucas has been very adamant about this. </p><p>Translating into LoK: We saw a fan-driven fantasy influencing the series' finale. Hence the words, 'fanservice' or 'catering for fans' etc...It shows that the production team had no clue how to finish the series until the very last minute. So they created an Amor Ex Machina, picking a possibility out of thousands of robust fan inputs, and decorated it in a very nice way (supplementing right pacing, drawing, music etc...) to make it as heart-moving as possible. </p><p>However, in my opinion (and feel free to disagree however you like), the series demanded a different ending that is as far away from relationship and gender issues as possible. What the production team should've done is to shut their ears to the outside world until the whole work was completed, and came up with an ending that was more coterminous to something more thought-provoking about why avatar will always be needed, or why Zaheer's evaluations on world leaders and governments were spot on, or maybe how to open spirit portals in all corners of the world to make humanity more spiritual....All these things are cast aside because fans wanted to see Korra ending up with someone in the end. In hindsight, it occurs to me that a greater opportunity has been squandered. </p>
<div class="quote">Do you know why George Lucas completely rejected the Star Wars extended universe when he gave a green light to the seventh film? Because it would've compromised his artistic integrity; he prevented it being riddled with fan input.</i></div>
We're taking George Lucas as the authority on artistic integrity now? <i>He retroactively edited one of his movies & tried to suppress copies of the original.</i></div> <p>You're missing the point and misinterpreting my example by taking it into a different context. Making changes in a work of art by artist's own need to evolve <i>versus </i>making changes in a work of art by artist being influenced by active/passive fan pressure -- these are two different things. </p><p>My point, to reiterate: Yes, Lucas didn't allow fan input riddle his work; he did the changes on his own work on his own accord. Because he owns the work (at least he used to before Disney owned), he could to whatever he wanted. He didn't compromise his artistic integrity; he made improvements in his own work. In fact, most artists do. But he never allowed fan-driven fantasies influence his work. In fact, Lucas has been very adamant about this. </p><p>Translating into LoK: We saw a fan-driven fantasy influencing the series' finale. Hence the words, 'fanservice' or 'catering for fans' etc...It shows that the production team had no clue how to finish the series until the very last minute. So they created an Amor Ex Machina, picking a possibility out of thousands of robust fan inputs, and decorated it in a very nice way (supplementing right pacing, drawing, music etc...) to make it as heart-moving as possible. </p><p>However, in my opinion (and feel free to disagree however you like), the series demanded a different ending that is as far away from relationship and gender issues as possible. What the production team should've done is to shut their ears to the outside world until the whole work was completed, and came up with an ending that was more coterminous to something more thought-provoking about why avatar will always be needed, or why Zaheer's evaluations on world leaders and governments were spot on, or maybe how to open spirit portals in all corners of the world to make humanity more spiritual....All these things are cast aside because fans wanted to see Korra ending up with someone in the end. In hindsight, it occurs to me that a greater opportunity has been squandered. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AvatarKatar wrote:
<div class="quote"><span style="font-style:italic;">FoamingMouthGuy wrote:</span><span style="font-style:italic;">You probably can’t even see the problem, can you? -- You said </span>“an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while”<span style="font-style:italic;"> --- we know that this is fanservice. But there is another meaning here that is more troublesome: That the production team allowed their artistic vision and integrity getting biased by the input of a segment of fans. Mind that there’s also another sea of fans that would rather Korra not ending up with anybody.</span></i></div>
Honestly, you could argue the entire series was kinda fan service but I do see the problem and I find it so silly that so many people go through all-out wars over this stuff, an animator had to shutdown their tumblr because they said that scene was "as close to confirming Korrasami as Jet's death was" and so many people attacked that person for saying that. In the end, we don't know if the decision was made before or after the entire Korrasami storm, and we'll probably won't for a while. As another user said, it's up to interpretation and many were "they're together" and use "hints" from earlier to support it. </div> <p>You may be confusing fanservice with "fan wishlist." Fanservice has more reference to fan-driven fantasies that are not part of the original plot. If you see the problem, then you must understand what happens when artistic integrity is biased due to fan input/backlash/reaction etc.... </p><p>Do you know why George Lucas completely rejected the Star Wars extended universe when he gave a green light to the seventh film? Because it would've compromised his artistic integrity; he prevented it being riddled with fan input. </p><p>You also missed my point when I put those media links. I'm not abhorring what is written in them. I put them there to demonstrate why it's naive to believe the view that "it's up to interpretation" -- I'm afraid it's too late for that. We know exactly how majority of people are interpreting it; not recognizing this would be a theory of mind failure. </p>
<div class="quote"><span style="font-style:italic;">FoamingMouthGuy wrote:</span><span style="font-style:italic;">You probably can’t even see the problem, can you? -- You said </span>“an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while”<span style="font-style:italic;"> --- we know that this is fanservice. But there is another meaning here that is more troublesome: That the production team allowed their artistic vision and integrity getting biased by the input of a segment of fans. Mind that there’s also another sea of fans that would rather Korra not ending up with anybody.</span></i></div>
Honestly, you could argue the entire series was kinda fan service but I do see the problem and I find it so silly that so many people go through all-out wars over this stuff, an animator had to shutdown their tumblr because they said that scene was "as close to confirming Korrasami as Jet's death was" and so many people attacked that person for saying that. In the end, we don't know if the decision was made before or after the entire Korrasami storm, and we'll probably won't for a while. As another user said, it's up to interpretation and many were "they're together" and use "hints" from earlier to support it. </div> <p>You may be confusing fanservice with "fan wishlist." Fanservice has more reference to fan-driven fantasies that are not part of the original plot. If you see the problem, then you must understand what happens when artistic integrity is biased due to fan input/backlash/reaction etc.... </p><p>Do you know why George Lucas completely rejected the Star Wars extended universe when he gave a green light to the seventh film? Because it would've compromised his artistic integrity; he prevented it being riddled with fan input. </p><p>You also missed my point when I put those media links. I'm not abhorring what is written in them. I put them there to demonstrate why it's naive to believe the view that "it's up to interpretation" -- I'm afraid it's too late for that. We know exactly how majority of people are interpreting it; not recognizing this would be a theory of mind failure. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>BobLogical wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>FoamingMouthGuy wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>FoamingMouthGuy wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </div>Only problems I see are immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia. If a relationship in the last minute and forty seconds of the show makes you go, "My word! Such horrible quality!" then I think you've got some issues.</div>Clearly, you're trolling. Seems like you've skimmed through messages and came up with your own half-baked assessment. Read through all the messages and the points being raised before claiming that "immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia'.</div>Everything you say is either contradictory or just false based on your inability to pick up on subtlety. Try not to subscribe to the, "If you disagree with me, you're a troll!" school of thought. It puts you in the immature whining part of the equation.</div> <p>You're not even disagreeing with me. You're in fact disengaged from the thread. Do you even know what this thread is about? Do you even know what we are talking about here? </p><p>You come here and start a sentence like "I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear of listen to fans and are influenced by things they say" then talk about with "whining" and "homophobia". The whole point of this tread is "whining" and letting unresolved emotions out! </p><p>Fine, if you don't agree with the word troll, try "patronizing" or better yet, "conversational turd." </p>
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</p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>FoamingMouthGuy wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </div>Only problems I see are immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia. If a relationship in the last minute and forty seconds of the show makes you go, "My word! Such horrible quality!" then I think you've got some issues.</div>Clearly, you're trolling. Seems like you've skimmed through messages and came up with your own half-baked assessment. Read through all the messages and the points being raised before claiming that "immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia'.</div>Everything you say is either contradictory or just false based on your inability to pick up on subtlety. Try not to subscribe to the, "If you disagree with me, you're a troll!" school of thought. It puts you in the immature whining part of the equation.</div> <p>You're not even disagreeing with me. You're in fact disengaged from the thread. Do you even know what this thread is about? Do you even know what we are talking about here? </p><p>You come here and start a sentence like "I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear of listen to fans and are influenced by things they say" then talk about with "whining" and "homophobia". The whole point of this tread is "whining" and letting unresolved emotions out! </p><p>Fine, if you don't agree with the word troll, try "patronizing" or better yet, "conversational turd." </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>BobLogical wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>FoamingMouthGuy wrote: </p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </div>Only problems I see are immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia. If a relationship in the last minute and forty seconds of the show makes you go, "My word! Such horrible quality!" then I think you've got some issues. </div> <p>Clearly, you're trolling. Seems like you've skimmed through messages and came up with your own half-baked assessment. Read through all the messages and the points being raised before claiming that "immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia'. </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>FoamingMouthGuy wrote: </p> <div class="quote">BobLogical wrote:
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </div>Only problems I see are immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia. If a relationship in the last minute and forty seconds of the show makes you go, "My word! Such horrible quality!" then I think you've got some issues. </div> <p>Clearly, you're trolling. Seems like you've skimmed through messages and came up with your own half-baked assessment. Read through all the messages and the points being raised before claiming that "immature whining from people who didn't get their ship and homophobia'. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>BobLogical wrote:
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
<p>What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </p>
I love how you kids all act like shipping is the only time creators ever hear or listen to fans and are influenced by things they say. Like, do you think Kai just fell out of existence by coincidence?</i></div>
<p>What are you trolling or something? You don't even make an effort to see the problem all of us are engaged with. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Torresp wrote:
<div class="quote">Torresp wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>MerlinTheFairyFox wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">Torresp wrote:
<div class="quote">Swampbender55 wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Torresp wrote: I think after Kuvira is defeated, Korra will realize how quiet things have been in the world, and then she, Asami, Bolin and Mako will decide to go on a "road trip" to see the world they've saved. </p> </i></div>
You must be a Ben 10 fan am I right?</div>Why yes I am. I see lots of similarities between Korra and Ben 10 no?</div>What similarities are there?</div>Ben and Korra are both heroes with immeasurable power, Ben having the Omnitrix and Korra being the Avatar. They are both shown to be cocky and arrogant about their statuses as heroes. They are both "the chosen one" of their respective universes. They always say how they've saved the world a billion times. They both have a non-superpowered partner--Korra has Asami and Ben has Rook. Both often learn along the way that great power comes great responsibility. however, almost after every season, they end up having to learn their lesson all over again.</div>Wow, I was right about 2 things: Hiroshi Sacrificing himself and Korra going on a road trip. </div> <p>Almost right. She didn't go on a road trip with the rest of Team Avatar. </p>
<div class="quote">Torresp wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>MerlinTheFairyFox wrote: </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">Torresp wrote:
<div class="quote">Swampbender55 wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Torresp wrote: I think after Kuvira is defeated, Korra will realize how quiet things have been in the world, and then she, Asami, Bolin and Mako will decide to go on a "road trip" to see the world they've saved. </p> </i></div>
You must be a Ben 10 fan am I right?</div>Why yes I am. I see lots of similarities between Korra and Ben 10 no?</div>What similarities are there?</div>Ben and Korra are both heroes with immeasurable power, Ben having the Omnitrix and Korra being the Avatar. They are both shown to be cocky and arrogant about their statuses as heroes. They are both "the chosen one" of their respective universes. They always say how they've saved the world a billion times. They both have a non-superpowered partner--Korra has Asami and Ben has Rook. Both often learn along the way that great power comes great responsibility. however, almost after every season, they end up having to learn their lesson all over again.</div>Wow, I was right about 2 things: Hiroshi Sacrificing himself and Korra going on a road trip. </div> <p>Almost right. She didn't go on a road trip with the rest of Team Avatar. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AvatarKatar wrote:
<div class="quote">One thing, however, makes sense: That, the whole Korrasami is the Deus Ex Machina equivalent in Legend of Korra.</i></div>
No it's not, it's not a plot device that came out of left field and it wasn't at a time when it was helpless, there were hints throughout this season and the last that something was up between the two. <p>
</p> <div><div class="quote"><i>In this case, it's better called "Amor Ex Machina". meaning <i>love from the machine. </i>It's thrown in the last scene to resolve Korra's enduring relationship struggles in an instant, saying: "You know this girl struggled quite a bit finding her mate. And we've been reading some fan forums on why Korra and Asami would be a better couple, hey why not invent one in the finale? It'd be the climax of the series, and everyone would talk about it after we're all gone (since Nick booted us). Because guess what? We actually did a pretty lame job tying up this series in Book 4 and didn't have any clue to how to resolve everything as meaningfully as possible, so Korrasami is our plot device for redemption!"</i></div>
</div>Lame job? They busted their asses trying to bring closure to as many characters and moments in 13 episodes, introducing some other characters too to bring closure to them, minus one because of budget cuts. On top of that, Korra's relationship problems weren't present after Book 2, they all grew up from it and Asami and Korra became closer friends from it. That's lame? That's lazy? <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>It surprised everyone and brought the story to a happy ending. <p>In the finale, they put Korra and Mako in a frame where I thought they were going to reconcile their relationship. But it didn't happen. Then Korra walks away from the wedding. Tenzin comes along. Tells her how great an avatar she's become. At that point, I was expecting the whole Team Avatar showing up by Korra's side, including Naga and Pabu, and perhaps all of them taking a vacation to the spirit world. Given the series' momentum up until that point, that'd make more sense. But no. Instead of Team Avatar getting together, we're slapped with an <i>Amor Ex Machina </i>onto our face. It seemed more like a desperate measure on the part of writers, if you ask me. </p> </i></div>
I have a feeling you wouldn't be as pissed with the term you made up if this was Mako and Korra getting back together. And in no way did it feel desperate nor did it slap the face of fans, in fact, an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while. If you're not happy with it, that's fine. But the writers did they're damn best to wrap up as many plot points in 12 episodes which isn't an easy job.</div> <p class="MsoNormal">I think it was helpless. Korra and Mako didn’t work out, and from that point onwards, I'd have Korra following her own path, exploring the world just as other avatars did, without getting entangled in relationship mumbo jumbo. The only hint for a possible bisexual advance was that letter in Chapter 2, and blush in Chapter 7. I’d taken it really seriously had Korra taken Asami with her when visiting Zaheer; or if Korra was concerned about the well-being of Asami when she got blasted by Sparky Sparky Doom Mech; during her fight in the hummingbees; and on and on….These could've been really CLEAR indications, when you're in love with someone or at least have some feelings for that person. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">I gave the Mass Effect 3 reference, but unless you’ve played that game, it’d be difficult to communicate why LoK’s finale is a blatant Amor Ex Machina in the service of fans. It was a last minute throw into the plot to satisfy a segment of fans. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Second, you are confusing “hard work” with “good work”. Hard work doesn’t always equate good work. The production team had their moments, and kudos to all that! Hell I even applaud them for all the great stuff they accomplished – animation, music, sound, character development….but as many fans acknowledged, Book 4 has turned into a bit of a mess after Episode 5. They wasted too much time on trivial stuff; many moments felt like a filler. Mind that with “lame job” I’m not referring to Bryke per se; lots of factors that were out of Bryke’s control resulted Book 4 turning into a less impressive work, now definitively compromised by that awkward finale moment. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Third, I’m not pissed; I’m disappointed. And when I say I'm disappointed, I refer to that last 2 minutes. Everything up until that last 2 minutes was perfect: The battle, the music, the spirit portal --- it was the production team's genius to deliver the best possible action and emotion packed finale to all the fans of the series! However, as soon as Tenzin left and Asami appeared, there things started getting awkward. To begin with, I’m not a fan of any type of shipping business; I’d rather that Korra ended up being alone, or simply with the rest of Team Avatar in the very finale frame.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">You probably can’t even see the problem, can you? -- You said “an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while” --- we know that this is fanservice. But there is another meaning here that is more troublesome: That the production team allowed their artistic vision and integrity getting biased by the input of a segment of fans. Mind that there’s also another sea of fans that would rather Korra not ending up with anybody.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">I don't have any relationship goggles, except the goggle of storytelling and good plot writing. If you can remove your Korrasami fandom goggle and see the series by taking an outsider’s perspective, you’d see how awkward the finale feels. Yet again, that’s mine and a few others’ accounting, and it seems we’re in minority.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Although it isn’t a canon yet, I’m afraid the media has already taken the reins just as I predicted. No matter what others say, it's 100 percent guarantee that EVERYONE will remember this show with that finale. It's just sad because there are so many other great things about this series that will now end up being overshadowed by that final frame: </p> <p>http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/korra-series-finale-recap-gay-asami </p><p>http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/legend_of_korra_finale_made_some_shippers_very_happy-2014-12 </p><p>http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-the-last-stand-review </p><p>http://www.forbes.com/sites/davegonzales/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-finale-literally-made-fan-dreams-come-true/ </p>
<div class="quote">One thing, however, makes sense: That, the whole Korrasami is the Deus Ex Machina equivalent in Legend of Korra.</i></div>
No it's not, it's not a plot device that came out of left field and it wasn't at a time when it was helpless, there were hints throughout this season and the last that something was up between the two. <p>
</p> <div><div class="quote"><i>In this case, it's better called "Amor Ex Machina". meaning <i>love from the machine. </i>It's thrown in the last scene to resolve Korra's enduring relationship struggles in an instant, saying: "You know this girl struggled quite a bit finding her mate. And we've been reading some fan forums on why Korra and Asami would be a better couple, hey why not invent one in the finale? It'd be the climax of the series, and everyone would talk about it after we're all gone (since Nick booted us). Because guess what? We actually did a pretty lame job tying up this series in Book 4 and didn't have any clue to how to resolve everything as meaningfully as possible, so Korrasami is our plot device for redemption!"</i></div>
</div>Lame job? They busted their asses trying to bring closure to as many characters and moments in 13 episodes, introducing some other characters too to bring closure to them, minus one because of budget cuts. On top of that, Korra's relationship problems weren't present after Book 2, they all grew up from it and Asami and Korra became closer friends from it. That's lame? That's lazy? <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>It surprised everyone and brought the story to a happy ending. <p>In the finale, they put Korra and Mako in a frame where I thought they were going to reconcile their relationship. But it didn't happen. Then Korra walks away from the wedding. Tenzin comes along. Tells her how great an avatar she's become. At that point, I was expecting the whole Team Avatar showing up by Korra's side, including Naga and Pabu, and perhaps all of them taking a vacation to the spirit world. Given the series' momentum up until that point, that'd make more sense. But no. Instead of Team Avatar getting together, we're slapped with an <i>Amor Ex Machina </i>onto our face. It seemed more like a desperate measure on the part of writers, if you ask me. </p> </i></div>
I have a feeling you wouldn't be as pissed with the term you made up if this was Mako and Korra getting back together. And in no way did it feel desperate nor did it slap the face of fans, in fact, an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while. If you're not happy with it, that's fine. But the writers did they're damn best to wrap up as many plot points in 12 episodes which isn't an easy job.</div> <p class="MsoNormal">I think it was helpless. Korra and Mako didn’t work out, and from that point onwards, I'd have Korra following her own path, exploring the world just as other avatars did, without getting entangled in relationship mumbo jumbo. The only hint for a possible bisexual advance was that letter in Chapter 2, and blush in Chapter 7. I’d taken it really seriously had Korra taken Asami with her when visiting Zaheer; or if Korra was concerned about the well-being of Asami when she got blasted by Sparky Sparky Doom Mech; during her fight in the hummingbees; and on and on….These could've been really CLEAR indications, when you're in love with someone or at least have some feelings for that person. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">I gave the Mass Effect 3 reference, but unless you’ve played that game, it’d be difficult to communicate why LoK’s finale is a blatant Amor Ex Machina in the service of fans. It was a last minute throw into the plot to satisfy a segment of fans. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Second, you are confusing “hard work” with “good work”. Hard work doesn’t always equate good work. The production team had their moments, and kudos to all that! Hell I even applaud them for all the great stuff they accomplished – animation, music, sound, character development….but as many fans acknowledged, Book 4 has turned into a bit of a mess after Episode 5. They wasted too much time on trivial stuff; many moments felt like a filler. Mind that with “lame job” I’m not referring to Bryke per se; lots of factors that were out of Bryke’s control resulted Book 4 turning into a less impressive work, now definitively compromised by that awkward finale moment. </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Third, I’m not pissed; I’m disappointed. And when I say I'm disappointed, I refer to that last 2 minutes. Everything up until that last 2 minutes was perfect: The battle, the music, the spirit portal --- it was the production team's genius to deliver the best possible action and emotion packed finale to all the fans of the series! However, as soon as Tenzin left and Asami appeared, there things started getting awkward. To begin with, I’m not a fan of any type of shipping business; I’d rather that Korra ended up being alone, or simply with the rest of Team Avatar in the very finale frame.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">You probably can’t even see the problem, can you? -- You said “an entire sea of fans have been begging for this shipping for a while” --- we know that this is fanservice. But there is another meaning here that is more troublesome: That the production team allowed their artistic vision and integrity getting biased by the input of a segment of fans. Mind that there’s also another sea of fans that would rather Korra not ending up with anybody.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">I don't have any relationship goggles, except the goggle of storytelling and good plot writing. If you can remove your Korrasami fandom goggle and see the series by taking an outsider’s perspective, you’d see how awkward the finale feels. Yet again, that’s mine and a few others’ accounting, and it seems we’re in minority.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Although it isn’t a canon yet, I’m afraid the media has already taken the reins just as I predicted. No matter what others say, it's 100 percent guarantee that EVERYONE will remember this show with that finale. It's just sad because there are so many other great things about this series that will now end up being overshadowed by that final frame: </p> <p>http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/korra-series-finale-recap-gay-asami </p><p>http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/legend_of_korra_finale_made_some_shippers_very_happy-2014-12 </p><p>http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-the-last-stand-review </p><p>http://www.forbes.com/sites/davegonzales/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-finale-literally-made-fan-dreams-come-true/ </p>
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<p>I've been trying to make sense of the whole thing ever since I saw it, but just as WinterLotus argued, it doesn't make sense.
</p><p>One thing, however, makes sense: That, the whole Korrasami is the Deus Ex Machina equivalent in Legend of Korra. In this case, it's better called "Amor Ex Machina". meaning <i>love from the machine. </i>It's thrown in the last scene to resolve Korra's enduring relationship struggles in an instant, writers saying more like: "You know this girl struggled quite a bit finding her mate. And we've been reading some fan forums on why Korra and Asami would be a better couple, hey why not invent one in the finale? It'd be the climax of the series, totally unexpected, and therefore everyone would talk about it after we're all gone. Because guess what? We actually did a pretty lame job tying up this series in Book 4 and didn't have any clue to how to resolve everything as meaningfully as possible, so Korrasami is our plot device for redemption!"
</p><p>It surprised everyone and brought the story to a happy ending.
</p><p>In the finale, they put Korra and Mako in a frame where I thought they were going to reconcile their relationship. But it didn't happen. Then Korra walks away from the wedding. Tenzin comes along. Tells her how great an avatar she's become. At that point, I was expecting the whole Team Avatar showing up by Korra's side, including Naga and Pabu, and perhaps all of them taking a vacation to the spirit world. Given the series' momentum up until that point, that'd make more sense. But no. Instead of Team Avatar getting together, we're slapped with an <i>Amor Ex Machina </i>onto our face.
</p><p>That being said, that appears to be my only criticism to writing. Everything else in the series is brilliant! Animation, music, sound effects...Kudos for Bryke for that!... But that final scene still feels more like the finale of Mass Effect 3...
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<p>@Shadow Raptor__ For a moment when Korra began talking with Mako, I felt that they were going to reconnect. But then Bryke did the unexpected, leaving Mako effectively out of the love triangle. Fanservice, spot on!
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<p>I think the series climax wasn't the battle between Korra and Kuvira. The climax was Korra and Asami holding hands and sailing into the spirit world. Everyone will remember this book with that very final scene.
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<p>I agree with everything you said. I'm still struggling to digest the whole thing.
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<p>Me too! Bryke did the "thing."
</p><p>Many people wouldn't believe it would happen, but it did. Including me.
</p><p>A lot of people will talk about this finale in years to come! I guess the world is evolving.
</p><p>Signing off.
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<div class="quote"><i>Steve993 wrote:
<p>The finale has a lot going for it and a lot of people will probably compare it too Sozin's Comet and debate which will be better but honestly I just want it be good equally and be a satisfying end to the series. </p> </i></div>
<p>Me too. We won't get another avatar series for a very long time. (I don't want to say "never" as I know that upsets the fans). </p>
<p>The finale has a lot going for it and a lot of people will probably compare it too Sozin's Comet and debate which will be better but honestly I just want it be good equally and be a satisfying end to the series. </p> </i></div>
<p>Me too. We won't get another avatar series for a very long time. (I don't want to say "never" as I know that upsets the fans). </p>
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<p>I wouldn't dare to make any weird crap out of Kuvira. Damn, she's scary and commandeering!
</p><p>"Ku-fear-a" is more like it.
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<div class="quote"><i>Weltall8000 wrote:
Perhaps you misunderstood, I'm asking why you make the assertion that: <p><i>"<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Since he doesn't energybend which takes bending abilities permanently, it is not unlikely for a person to recover from Amon's bloodbending effect perhaps after many many years. Mind that Amon was all talk, an imposter that made people believe in what he said." </span></i> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">How could you know this is relatively likely or unlikely? What is this based on?</span> </p> </i></div>
<p>I didn't misunderstand. "Why" I make that assertion is based on my inferences: </p><p>So let me reiterate: First, it occurs to me that energbending is permanent because it messes with your latent spiritual energy. Therefore, there is a very good chance unless some big spiritual event like Harmonic Convergence, Avatar-driven intervention or Invasion of Lion Turtles might endow you back with your skill, it can't be undone. </p><p>Second, we haven't had any information regarding bloodbending effects being permanent. Since information is not there, the best we can do is to make inferences based upon what we already know. </p><p>(1) Bloodbending is a subset of waterbending ability that does something to to an individual's chi network.It is NOT a seperate bending ability. It doesn't do anything to people's latent spiritual energy/willpower. If it had done something like that, then Korra wouldn't have been able to airbend. She would've lost everything. Therefore, I hypothesize that bloodbending effects might not be permanent, and that victims may start recovering perhaps after a few years. </p><p>(2) Many of Amon's victims were fixed by Korra a few weeks after Among blocked their bending ability. As for the others who may not have been fixed, we have no idea what happened to them. It's been 3-4 years since the Amon incident. Perhaps those who didn't recover might just begin bending again after a few years. Sometimes you need lots of time to heal, and quick waterbending medicine may not do the jobbing average. </p><p>So, there it is. I gave you an account. But also hear this out: Ever since I joined this forum, I've noticed that you have a habit of taking people's statements too literally. This is not a forum for scientific debates; this is a forum where more than 90 percent of what we say is pure speculation, assumption or guessing just for the heck of our own entertainment! So it REALLY annoys a lot of people when you start hounding them and demand overly specific responses. This isn't the place. </p><p>Mind that in about a week or two, a lot of people will disappear from these forums because the series will be over. So just chillax and enjoy the show! </p>
Perhaps you misunderstood, I'm asking why you make the assertion that: <p><i>"<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Since he doesn't energybend which takes bending abilities permanently, it is not unlikely for a person to recover from Amon's bloodbending effect perhaps after many many years. Mind that Amon was all talk, an imposter that made people believe in what he said." </span></i> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">How could you know this is relatively likely or unlikely? What is this based on?</span> </p> </i></div>
<p>I didn't misunderstand. "Why" I make that assertion is based on my inferences: </p><p>So let me reiterate: First, it occurs to me that energbending is permanent because it messes with your latent spiritual energy. Therefore, there is a very good chance unless some big spiritual event like Harmonic Convergence, Avatar-driven intervention or Invasion of Lion Turtles might endow you back with your skill, it can't be undone. </p><p>Second, we haven't had any information regarding bloodbending effects being permanent. Since information is not there, the best we can do is to make inferences based upon what we already know. </p><p>(1) Bloodbending is a subset of waterbending ability that does something to to an individual's chi network.It is NOT a seperate bending ability. It doesn't do anything to people's latent spiritual energy/willpower. If it had done something like that, then Korra wouldn't have been able to airbend. She would've lost everything. Therefore, I hypothesize that bloodbending effects might not be permanent, and that victims may start recovering perhaps after a few years. </p><p>(2) Many of Amon's victims were fixed by Korra a few weeks after Among blocked their bending ability. As for the others who may not have been fixed, we have no idea what happened to them. It's been 3-4 years since the Amon incident. Perhaps those who didn't recover might just begin bending again after a few years. Sometimes you need lots of time to heal, and quick waterbending medicine may not do the jobbing average. </p><p>So, there it is. I gave you an account. But also hear this out: Ever since I joined this forum, I've noticed that you have a habit of taking people's statements too literally. This is not a forum for scientific debates; this is a forum where more than 90 percent of what we say is pure speculation, assumption or guessing just for the heck of our own entertainment! So it REALLY annoys a lot of people when you start hounding them and demand overly specific responses. This isn't the place. </p><p>Mind that in about a week or two, a lot of people will disappear from these forums because the series will be over. So just chillax and enjoy the show! </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Weltall8000 wrote:
I guess we don't know for certain...but nothing indicates that it isn't permanent without intervention, like it is implied in the show. But, by that same token, how do we know energybending is permanent? <p>How do you know that it is not unlikely for a person to recover from Amon's bloodbending after many years? </p> </i></div>
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Uhm....I actually don't. That's why I call it 'not unlikely.' </p>
I guess we don't know for certain...but nothing indicates that it isn't permanent without intervention, like it is implied in the show. But, by that same token, how do we know energybending is permanent? <p>How do you know that it is not unlikely for a person to recover from Amon's bloodbending after many years? </p> </i></div>
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Uhm....I actually don't. That's why I call it 'not unlikely.' </p>
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<p>The shipping address is:
</p><p>Varrick & Li Associates
</p><p>The Polar Bear Dog Street
</p><p>Southern Water Tribe, Y7P VZ0
</p><p>SOUTH POLE
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<p>He blocks a person's chi network by using bloodbending, making it look like their ability is gone permanently. But that may not be true. Perhaps after a few years, some people may start recovering from the effects. Since he doesn't energybend which takes bending abilities permanently, it is not unlikely for a person to recover from Amon's bloodbending effect perhaps after many many years. Mind that Amon was all talk, an imposter that made people believe in what he said.
</p><p>All I am saying is: Life finds a way.
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