<p>Do you think, that Korra will reconnect with her past avatars and then she'll beat kuvira ?
</p><p>I am so excited about the final season :D
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<p>Of course she will. Toph is against Emperors! I think that she's trying to protect the swamp, because it is not only her home but also a place she admires...
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<div class="quote"><i>KyoshiTophForever wrote:
The Toph vs. Kuvira will happen :D ♥♥♥ <p>See. At the end of episode 7. Kuvira is in the Swamp :D </p><p>For Sure TOPH wouldn't let them cut the vines there .. </p><p>SO TOPH WILL SURELY BE IN ACTION . ON THE NEXT EPISODE ♥♥♥ </p> </i></div>
<p>SO EXCITED :D
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The Toph vs. Kuvira will happen :D ♥♥♥ <p>See. At the end of episode 7. Kuvira is in the Swamp :D </p><p>For Sure TOPH wouldn't let them cut the vines there .. </p><p>SO TOPH WILL SURELY BE IN ACTION . ON THE NEXT EPISODE ♥♥♥ </p> </i></div>
<p>SO EXCITED :D
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I think she's going to conquere republic city and she wants to destroy the fire nation...
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<p>I think that they're goingt to use the spiritual energy as a weapon. The can't summon Vatuu, but they can use his purple energy and we all saw how destructive it was...
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<div class="quote"><i>Admiral Zhao The Unconquerable wrote:
Hmmm.... That's very interesting idea. I would say its a little far fetched. Still, the idea wouldn't surprise me. <p>However, lion turtle of which element? We know the energy bending one is still alive, but what other elmentss would fit large, spiritual tree? Either water or earth, and water seems more likely. I thought all the lion turtles were hunted, and only the energy bending one survived, but hey, maybe there are still some out there. </p><p>Yeah, and then in the last episode Toph and turtle team up and beat Kuvira together while Korra watches on the sideline. </p> </i></div>
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Thank you! That's what I was thinking of the whole time :DD </p>
Hmmm.... That's very interesting idea. I would say its a little far fetched. Still, the idea wouldn't surprise me. <p>However, lion turtle of which element? We know the energy bending one is still alive, but what other elmentss would fit large, spiritual tree? Either water or earth, and water seems more likely. I thought all the lion turtles were hunted, and only the energy bending one survived, but hey, maybe there are still some out there. </p><p>Yeah, and then in the last episode Toph and turtle team up and beat Kuvira together while Korra watches on the sideline. </p> </i></div>
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Thank you! That's what I was thinking of the whole time :DD </p>
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<p>i guess that she is "worse" than we see her...
</p><p>She built these re-education camps- those remind me of nazi-reeducationcamps...
</p><p>She has a lot in common with many other dictators...
</p><p>And I guess she wants to conquer the whole world- first conquering the united republic of nations, second the fire nation and then the rest...
</p><p>This might be how the end of Book 4 is going to be - She attacks republic city and korra strikes back... (ALL IS JUST MY OPINION)
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<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I wouldn't say Zuko is the weakest member of original team avatar. He could give Toph and Aang a fair fight, even if losing at the end.</span> <p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Full disclosure, Zuko is my favorite character from Avatar. I even dressed up as him for Halloween.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I think Zuko was a great fighter, but alot of that came from his conventional martial arts training. He was very agile and incorporated physical attacks and weapons. But his bending wasn't as exceptional as some of the other benders surrounding him. He did get a bit of a boost near the end when he and Aang learned the Dance of Dragons and was comfortable with the lightning redirect technique, but his raw bending power never got to the levels of Toph or even Katara (barring Sozen's Comet).</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Note that I did not say "weakest member of original team avatar" as I, agree, he wasn't. His relative bending however, I'd argue, was.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I've always thought he was on par with Katara.</span> </p><p>By the book of Fire, Katara is able to hold her own against Zuko, whom had far more formal training. Once she had nearly a year of experience with Aang waterbending, she was definitely able to fight at his level, and that is in spite of him also being excellent at hand to hand combat and very agile. Katara's strength was almost entirely her bending, whereas Zuko relied on bending supplemented by weapons and conventional martial arts. </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Toph isn't that strong as a fighter, it's just that she's soooo good as an earthbender that beats pretty much anyone on equal conditions.</span> </p><p>Indeed, like Katara, her bending was exceptional, so much so, it made her arguably the most powerful member of Team Avatar outside of Avatar State Aang. </p><p>
</p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Even if Zuko was the weakest member of the team avatar they were all pretty much equal. It's not that Toph was a hundred times stronger than Zuko. I mean, EoS zuko was beating Azula 1 on 1(she was insane but still).</span> </p><p>
</p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I'd like to think that Zuko had surpassed Azula as a bender...but that just wasn't the case. He certainly had improved, but mental state was really the deciding factor in their duel, she was regressed terribly and was just losing it to the point that she was in the middle of a mental breakdown. Sure, Zuko was matching and even pressing Azula (and I get that him tanking the lightning to save Katara is what took him out of the fight), but Katara was able to beat a Sozen's Comet enhanced Azula decisively in moments.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">When I saw Kuvira fighting I noticed that she fights exactly like toph(only no seismic sense). She waits for the exact time, her attacks are precise and effective. She remains perfectly calm and barely moves from her position. Kuvira is really damn good. I would say if she fought Toph right now, she would win mostly because Toph is old and can't move the way she used to.</span> </p><p>
</p><p>I'll be fair, we've not seen many feats for old Toph, though, from what bending she did do, I'm inclined to believe she's still incredibly sharp, given her precise and fast bending and she had 70 years to improve the art. Her senses being vastly improved also hints at this. </p><p>Kuvira is quite a formidable bender, but I'm not seeing much indicating her being beyond Toph's level as of ATLA, excluding her control over metalbending, which, as we know, Toph had just developed at that point. In the following years however, Toph began the Metalbending School and very reasonably presumably improved it to at least the point that most metalbenders we see now are with it. Kuvira is a creative fighter, but so is Toph and Toph had some very impressive feats both offensive and defensively. And she was able to throw the Avatar of her time (and the current one, whilst being an old woman herself) around like a ragdoll too. </p><p>At the absolute very least, Toph Prime vs Kuvira, Toph would press Kuvira, if not destroy her outright. </p><p>Old Toph vs Kuvira? Hard to say, would need more information. But I do agree, if Toph lost, it would likely be tied to the fact that she's old. Short of Kuvira having some super bending abilities she's holding back right now, that's where I think it stands. </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I agree that EoS Aang </span>could<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;"> beat Zaheer on a duel. But the whole Red Lotus crew, that's a joke. Even Kyoshi would lose fighting 1 v 4 against those guys.</span> </p><p>A fully realized Avatar State Avatar going full out with intent to kill without regard for collateral damage (and not imminently dying of poisoning), I don't really see a small group of even exceptional benders taking them out. Even in that one feat, Kyoshi cut down to the mantle and moved an island. With that kind of power, if an Avatar didn't care about anything other than killing those four (zero regards for killing bystanders or devastating the landscape) it would happen. Why I say Aang would get wrecked by the RLc, is because he wouldn't kill them. If Aang had intent to kill which is completely out of character, sure, he'd be capable of murdering them. </p><p>In regards to Kuvira, even a regressed Avatar State Korra was able to instantly beat down Kuvira upon entering the Avatar State, she just couldn't bring herself to deliver the coup de grace, which resulted in Kuvira easily regaining the advantage. </p><p>If we had an Avatar that was serious about killing someone (without some poisoning or mind rape working against them), I don't think there's any known character short of Vaatu, that wouldn't get instagibbed by the Avatar. </p> </i></div>
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absolutley right! They are all definetly no deal for a fully realized avatar. But Korra definetly needs to get her mindblock away! </p>
<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I wouldn't say Zuko is the weakest member of original team avatar. He could give Toph and Aang a fair fight, even if losing at the end.</span> <p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Full disclosure, Zuko is my favorite character from Avatar. I even dressed up as him for Halloween.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I think Zuko was a great fighter, but alot of that came from his conventional martial arts training. He was very agile and incorporated physical attacks and weapons. But his bending wasn't as exceptional as some of the other benders surrounding him. He did get a bit of a boost near the end when he and Aang learned the Dance of Dragons and was comfortable with the lightning redirect technique, but his raw bending power never got to the levels of Toph or even Katara (barring Sozen's Comet).</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Note that I did not say "weakest member of original team avatar" as I, agree, he wasn't. His relative bending however, I'd argue, was.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I've always thought he was on par with Katara.</span> </p><p>By the book of Fire, Katara is able to hold her own against Zuko, whom had far more formal training. Once she had nearly a year of experience with Aang waterbending, she was definitely able to fight at his level, and that is in spite of him also being excellent at hand to hand combat and very agile. Katara's strength was almost entirely her bending, whereas Zuko relied on bending supplemented by weapons and conventional martial arts. </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Toph isn't that strong as a fighter, it's just that she's soooo good as an earthbender that beats pretty much anyone on equal conditions.</span> </p><p>Indeed, like Katara, her bending was exceptional, so much so, it made her arguably the most powerful member of Team Avatar outside of Avatar State Aang. </p><p>
</p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">Even if Zuko was the weakest member of the team avatar they were all pretty much equal. It's not that Toph was a hundred times stronger than Zuko. I mean, EoS zuko was beating Azula 1 on 1(she was insane but still).</span> </p><p>
</p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I'd like to think that Zuko had surpassed Azula as a bender...but that just wasn't the case. He certainly had improved, but mental state was really the deciding factor in their duel, she was regressed terribly and was just losing it to the point that she was in the middle of a mental breakdown. Sure, Zuko was matching and even pressing Azula (and I get that him tanking the lightning to save Katara is what took him out of the fight), but Katara was able to beat a Sozen's Comet enhanced Azula decisively in moments.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">When I saw Kuvira fighting I noticed that she fights exactly like toph(only no seismic sense). She waits for the exact time, her attacks are precise and effective. She remains perfectly calm and barely moves from her position. Kuvira is really damn good. I would say if she fought Toph right now, she would win mostly because Toph is old and can't move the way she used to.</span> </p><p>
</p><p>I'll be fair, we've not seen many feats for old Toph, though, from what bending she did do, I'm inclined to believe she's still incredibly sharp, given her precise and fast bending and she had 70 years to improve the art. Her senses being vastly improved also hints at this. </p><p>Kuvira is quite a formidable bender, but I'm not seeing much indicating her being beyond Toph's level as of ATLA, excluding her control over metalbending, which, as we know, Toph had just developed at that point. In the following years however, Toph began the Metalbending School and very reasonably presumably improved it to at least the point that most metalbenders we see now are with it. Kuvira is a creative fighter, but so is Toph and Toph had some very impressive feats both offensive and defensively. And she was able to throw the Avatar of her time (and the current one, whilst being an old woman herself) around like a ragdoll too. </p><p>At the absolute very least, Toph Prime vs Kuvira, Toph would press Kuvira, if not destroy her outright. </p><p>Old Toph vs Kuvira? Hard to say, would need more information. But I do agree, if Toph lost, it would likely be tied to the fact that she's old. Short of Kuvira having some super bending abilities she's holding back right now, that's where I think it stands. </p><p><span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;">I agree that EoS Aang </span>could<span style="font-size:13.1428575515747px;"> beat Zaheer on a duel. But the whole Red Lotus crew, that's a joke. Even Kyoshi would lose fighting 1 v 4 against those guys.</span> </p><p>A fully realized Avatar State Avatar going full out with intent to kill without regard for collateral damage (and not imminently dying of poisoning), I don't really see a small group of even exceptional benders taking them out. Even in that one feat, Kyoshi cut down to the mantle and moved an island. With that kind of power, if an Avatar didn't care about anything other than killing those four (zero regards for killing bystanders or devastating the landscape) it would happen. Why I say Aang would get wrecked by the RLc, is because he wouldn't kill them. If Aang had intent to kill which is completely out of character, sure, he'd be capable of murdering them. </p><p>In regards to Kuvira, even a regressed Avatar State Korra was able to instantly beat down Kuvira upon entering the Avatar State, she just couldn't bring herself to deliver the coup de grace, which resulted in Kuvira easily regaining the advantage. </p><p>If we had an Avatar that was serious about killing someone (without some poisoning or mind rape working against them), I don't think there's any known character short of Vaatu, that wouldn't get instagibbed by the Avatar. </p> </i></div>
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absolutley right! They are all definetly no deal for a fully realized avatar. But Korra definetly needs to get her mindblock away! </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Thinklogic wrote:
<div class="quote">Henryeh wrote:
is he even a bender?</i></div>
Whether he is or not doesnt effect his significance in the family </div> <p>Somehow it does, because Su is slightly more important than him, maybe due to her familiy-heritage and her bending. She is obviously also more important than him, because of her function as Zaofus' Matriarch. He is an architect and made Suyins plans possible, but i would guess that his role is more behind Su, eventhough he might be important to Zaofu and his family </p>
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is he even a bender?</i></div>
Whether he is or not doesnt effect his significance in the family </div> <p>Somehow it does, because Su is slightly more important than him, maybe due to her familiy-heritage and her bending. She is obviously also more important than him, because of her function as Zaofus' Matriarch. He is an architect and made Suyins plans possible, but i would guess that his role is more behind Su, eventhough he might be important to Zaofu and his family </p>
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is he even a bender?
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<p>i guess that she isn't weak but totally lost her focus. I can see her regaining her acces to the former avatars- don't know how- but would be kind of interesting though, because her situations reminds me of avatar kyoshi, with chin the conquerer, who created an earth empire too. Guess Korra's gonna destroy Kuvira after she regained her acces to the past avatars- if u see the preview of book 4, you'll see korra with short hair in her water tribe outfit with short hair back in the spirit world. Guess she has some buisness there. Of course she's gonna win this endfight, but we'll se how.
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