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<div class="quote"><i>AvatarAero wrote
<p>You would have to include Roku's whole backstory, or at least a good bit of it, for audiences to understand. In serial form, it kept people coming back to watch more, but on the big screen, it wouldn't work because there isn't any "coming back". The audiences expect all of the information there or hinted at in the very end. That's what brings them back, not a character that is half explained and then used for the finale.
</p><p>Plus, I think Shyamalan's going to tear his hair out if he has to include one more character.
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<p>well the dragon was already in the film, if he had shown up at the climax I don't think it would have been that weird. His backstory could be explained in the third film when Zuko's own connection to Roku is revealed. Roku himself doesn't need to be there, but audiences might understand the soldiers fearing a giant spirit-dragon more then they got the huge wall of water </p>
<p>well the dragon was already in the film, if he had shown up at the climax I don't think it would have been that weird. His backstory could be explained in the third film when Zuko's own connection to Roku is revealed. Roku himself doesn't need to be there, but audiences might understand the soldiers fearing a giant spirit-dragon more then they got the huge wall of water </p>
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<p>I wonder if Aang's Avatar state combined with an appearance from Roku's dragon would be impressive enough to scare back the Firenation and interesting enough for audiences?
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<div class="quote"><i>SaeryenKatten wrote:
Why age up the characters, though? It's not like we don't have good child actors. Daniel Radcliffe and co. were pretty good actors when they were in the first Harry Potter movies (Dan was eleven). </i></div>
<p>eeeeh, did we watch the same film? They were cute but they even said they weren't serious about acting until later on. The kids were just mirroring the director for the most part. Mostly their faces were just blank, cute, but blank. The Fanning sisters were good from a young age though </p>
Why age up the characters, though? It's not like we don't have good child actors. Daniel Radcliffe and co. were pretty good actors when they were in the first Harry Potter movies (Dan was eleven). </i></div>
<p>eeeeh, did we watch the same film? They were cute but they even said they weren't serious about acting until later on. The kids were just mirroring the director for the most part. Mostly their faces were just blank, cute, but blank. The Fanning sisters were good from a young age though </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Hasdi wrote:
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Are there not enough Asian and Inuit actors?</i></div>
Short answer: not enough. Long answer: Hollywood studios can only hire a) American actors and b) foreign actors with valid work permit, like any other American companies. This means, you would have to restrict your talent search for Asian actors to about 5% of US workforce. Near 0% for Inuit actors. How many of them are available for hire? Look the part? Has sufficient popularity and/or audience appeal to justify the insane production budget? Can (gasp) act? </div> <p>I'd like to add that the problem is even worse since a number of characters (and we assume some actors) are children. Most people like to think they and all the kids they know would jump at the chance to be in a film but in reality, kids need an adult guardian with them at all times. That means their parent usually has to leave work for months, and if you have multiple children that splits up the family. Not all children do well when they aren't going to regular school five days a week, or seeing their friends because they're travelling or working. It's just a small pool of talent to draw from... </p>
<div class="quote">SaeryenKatten wrote:
Are there not enough Asian and Inuit actors?</i></div>
Short answer: not enough. Long answer: Hollywood studios can only hire a) American actors and b) foreign actors with valid work permit, like any other American companies. This means, you would have to restrict your talent search for Asian actors to about 5% of US workforce. Near 0% for Inuit actors. How many of them are available for hire? Look the part? Has sufficient popularity and/or audience appeal to justify the insane production budget? Can (gasp) act? </div> <p>I'd like to add that the problem is even worse since a number of characters (and we assume some actors) are children. Most people like to think they and all the kids they know would jump at the chance to be in a film but in reality, kids need an adult guardian with them at all times. That means their parent usually has to leave work for months, and if you have multiple children that splits up the family. Not all children do well when they aren't going to regular school five days a week, or seeing their friends because they're travelling or working. It's just a small pool of talent to draw from... </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Bersarker wrote:
And would it help if those producers and creators learn some parts of histories of Asia? Mainly, China and Japan.</i></div>
<p>Frankly I think an awful lot of movies would be improved if the people in charge had a strong understanding of history, but as its not their focus its unlikely they would devote much time to it. Although, they may know alot more than we think. Historically accurate doesn't always translate to screen- or to money in the bank. </p>
And would it help if those producers and creators learn some parts of histories of Asia? Mainly, China and Japan.</i></div>
<p>Frankly I think an awful lot of movies would be improved if the people in charge had a strong understanding of history, but as its not their focus its unlikely they would devote much time to it. Although, they may know alot more than we think. Historically accurate doesn't always translate to screen- or to money in the bank. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Neo Bahamut wrote:
http://lokgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/112836094508/the-sexualization-of-azula <p>What the fuck is this person even talking about? It reads like they're trying to work through their own uncomfortable feelings towards a 14-year-old cartoon character by getting really high & writing on Tumblr. </p> </i></div>
<p>yup, welcome to tumblr (ft. jelloapocolypse ;) ) its one of a kind... </p><p>the GoT post was hilarious though </p>
http://lokgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/112836094508/the-sexualization-of-azula <p>What the fuck is this person even talking about? It reads like they're trying to work through their own uncomfortable feelings towards a 14-year-old cartoon character by getting really high & writing on Tumblr. </p> </i></div>
<p>yup, welcome to tumblr (ft. jelloapocolypse ;) ) its one of a kind... </p><p>the GoT post was hilarious though </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>SorcererSupreme21 wrote:
Actually, Hasdi, since Avatar still has a large fanbase (the wiki still has good traffic, but keep in mind many people are inactive on the wiki, and not all fans know about it), and the graphic novels are still selling well. I don't watch the current animated TMNT show, so i can't judge that; and from the looks of it SpongeBob and Dora have gone down in quality a considerable amount since my childhood. But Avatar is special, in terms of the fanbase. How much traffic does the Dora Wiki get? Not much, I imagine. </i></div>
<p>but both Dora and spongebob are immediately recognizable to the general public. They don't need wiki traffic, people are always buying their merchandise for their kids or even teens. Probably around 98% of the population knows who they are. (I didn't watch them as a kid so I can't speak about the quality.)TLA might have a strong online community but it's still a niche... not everyone watched it and it dosen't have the "superhero" thing to draw on like Young Justice could use. Besides, I don't think most studios see a deticated fanbase as a positive, they don't want quality fanart after it's release they just want to sell tickets </p>
Actually, Hasdi, since Avatar still has a large fanbase (the wiki still has good traffic, but keep in mind many people are inactive on the wiki, and not all fans know about it), and the graphic novels are still selling well. I don't watch the current animated TMNT show, so i can't judge that; and from the looks of it SpongeBob and Dora have gone down in quality a considerable amount since my childhood. But Avatar is special, in terms of the fanbase. How much traffic does the Dora Wiki get? Not much, I imagine. </i></div>
<p>but both Dora and spongebob are immediately recognizable to the general public. They don't need wiki traffic, people are always buying their merchandise for their kids or even teens. Probably around 98% of the population knows who they are. (I didn't watch them as a kid so I can't speak about the quality.)TLA might have a strong online community but it's still a niche... not everyone watched it and it dosen't have the "superhero" thing to draw on like Young Justice could use. Besides, I don't think most studios see a deticated fanbase as a positive, they don't want quality fanart after it's release they just want to sell tickets </p>
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<p>Hasdi's theory makes sence, but I don't think there's any support for it based on the movie alone... Regardless, this is a disscussion on a reboot- I personally really dont want any drama about Zuko's parentage. Even if it was in the comics, I hate it when shows or movies pull that card, it sounds like a cheap soap opera side plot to me.
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<p>^ but we already have lots of good cosplay and a well animated series. Why fund a huge cosplay when you can just go to comic con?
</p><p>also, no one in the film business is going to spend 9 months on a project where they have no creative input because the story, characters, and designs have already been created by someone else... so that leaves a fanfilm, which would be ok, but no what we had in mind I think
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<p>ooh, thats interesting. IDK why but I always had the impression that the firelord had bending power that came with the position, was that something my brain made up on it's own?
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<div class="quote"><i>DarkNet1 wrote:
<p>The Fire Nation is an absolute monarchy. They don't need laws for who gets the throne. Plus, whenever Zuko wasn't in exile, he had the title of Crowned Prince.
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<p>Even absolute monarchies have laws about succession, take Hatshepsut for example, she was a great ruler but trying to get her daughter written in as the next pharoah just got her kid murdered... :/ also France, they usually used the Salic Laws </p><p>btw, am I the only one who thought it was strange that the main characters had so few siblings? And Iroh only had one son apparently... </p>
<p>Even absolute monarchies have laws about succession, take Hatshepsut for example, she was a great ruler but trying to get her daughter written in as the next pharoah just got her kid murdered... :/ also France, they usually used the Salic Laws </p><p>btw, am I the only one who thought it was strange that the main characters had so few siblings? And Iroh only had one son apparently... </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>DarkNet1 wrote:
<div class="quote"> If they were twins, then the movie would be forced to make their rivalry the cliche good twin and evil twin, which would <i>suck</i>. </i></div>
</div> <p>mm, I don't think that's necessarily true. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a twin ^_^ but I think twin dynamics can be really interesting and it also makes it a little easier to buy that Ozai can switch his heir so quickly and easily... In real world history there would be a lot more to it for such a drastic change to be legal </p>
<div class="quote"> If they were twins, then the movie would be forced to make their rivalry the cliche good twin and evil twin, which would <i>suck</i>. </i></div>
</div> <p>mm, I don't think that's necessarily true. Maybe I'm just biased because I have a twin ^_^ but I think twin dynamics can be really interesting and it also makes it a little easier to buy that Ozai can switch his heir so quickly and easily... In real world history there would be a lot more to it for such a drastic change to be legal </p>
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<p>I think that could be ok, if Aang were 14-15, Katara could be 17-18, Sokka 18-20, ect.
</p><p>reminds me of another idea I was rolling around in my brain, what if film!zuko and azula were twins?
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<p>I think Ty Lee may also be a people pleaser... she gives people attention to make them happy which makes her feel good, and then she can't do anything to hurt them because then she would feel bad.
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<div class="quote"><i>DarkNet1 wrote:
<p>It might not have been as interesting as the Kyoshi Warriors or King Bumi, but it was easily one of the most the necessary to add to the movie. It's the perfect way to get across what pain and despair the Fire Nation had caused to the people of the Earth Kingdom and if done decently, get the audience to <i>care</i> about the Earth Kingdom. Introduce King Bumi and his friendship with Aang in the next movie. Add the Kyoshi Warriors in the next one as well. The first movie should be about Aang, Katara, and Sokka trying to get the Northern Water Tribe.
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<p>I feel like the theme could be incorporated into either the Kyoshi Warrior or Bumi subplot. The Kyoshi warriors could be introduced as freedom fighters in another earth kingdom village that the gaang is trying to free, or they could help refugees reach King Bumi. I think just think it's a little stronger to blend them </p>
<p>I feel like the theme could be incorporated into either the Kyoshi Warrior or Bumi subplot. The Kyoshi warriors could be introduced as freedom fighters in another earth kingdom village that the gaang is trying to free, or they could help refugees reach King Bumi. I think just think it's a little stronger to blend them </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Neo Bahamut wrote:
<p>Also, I'd argue that the sword cuts both ways. You could always ignore my posts if you don't like them. Especially since I am responding mainly to things directed at me.
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<p>that's fair, but it does derail the discussion </p>
<p>that's fair, but it does derail the discussion </p>
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<p>then ignore it -_- click on another thread...
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<div class="quote"><i>Neo Bahamut wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Winterfirstsnow* wrote: Dance moms reference? :D </p> </i></div>
<p>Never heard of it. </p> </div> <p>lucky you </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I didn't even like that episode, he could've just cut the subplot for all I care. It would've been less stupid. </p> </i></div>
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replace it with bumi or the kyoshi warriors. 100x more interesting </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>Winterfirstsnow* wrote: Dance moms reference? :D </p> </i></div>
<p>Never heard of it. </p> </div> <p>lucky you </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I didn't even like that episode, he could've just cut the subplot for all I care. It would've been less stupid. </p> </i></div>
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replace it with bumi or the kyoshi warriors. 100x more interesting </p>
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