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Near the end of book two tenzin tells korra to energybend even though korra has already been separated from raava and can't use the avatar state. Normally korra was only able to energybend in the avatar state because she needed the power from Aang who got it from the lion turtle
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Yakone may have been trapped in earth but he's also a psychic bloodbender meaning that Aang was still bendable up until yakone's bending was removed. We also know that Aang probably needed full concentration while he was energybending and couldn't afford to be going into the avatar state in the middle of it and that he may not have known how long it would take because it could vary depending on the person (ozai's took very long but yakone's was very short) however, when he was simply talking to yakone 1: yakone was too shocked to start bloodbending Aang again 2: even if he did Aang could just hop back into the avatar state and there would be no problem.</i></div>
<p>If Yakone didn't need to move to kill Aang, then he would have done that. Yakone still needs to move his limbs to knock out or kill a human. Like you said, Yakone is too shocked to try to bloodbend Aang again. </p><p>Aang does go into the Avatar State in the energybending position. It is portrayed as a brief flash in his eyes and tattoos - the same as any other use of a momentary Avatar State. Avatars regularly use the brief flash to increase power to their own bending moves. In this specific case, the same could apply to bending a resistant energy or a large amount of energy. The notion that he couldn't concentrate enough to go into the State while he bends energy does not hold up. </p><p>When Korra restores people's bending, she goes into the Avatar State, right? However, we know Korra's spirit has to be used in energybending. So, she's consciously going into the State and energybending at the same time. Surely Aang would be able to do the same. </p>
Yakone may have been trapped in earth but he's also a psychic bloodbender meaning that Aang was still bendable up until yakone's bending was removed. We also know that Aang probably needed full concentration while he was energybending and couldn't afford to be going into the avatar state in the middle of it and that he may not have known how long it would take because it could vary depending on the person (ozai's took very long but yakone's was very short) however, when he was simply talking to yakone 1: yakone was too shocked to start bloodbending Aang again 2: even if he did Aang could just hop back into the avatar state and there would be no problem.</i></div>
<p>If Yakone didn't need to move to kill Aang, then he would have done that. Yakone still needs to move his limbs to knock out or kill a human. Like you said, Yakone is too shocked to try to bloodbend Aang again. </p><p>Aang does go into the Avatar State in the energybending position. It is portrayed as a brief flash in his eyes and tattoos - the same as any other use of a momentary Avatar State. Avatars regularly use the brief flash to increase power to their own bending moves. In this specific case, the same could apply to bending a resistant energy or a large amount of energy. The notion that he couldn't concentrate enough to go into the State while he bends energy does not hold up. </p><p>When Korra restores people's bending, she goes into the Avatar State, right? However, we know Korra's spirit has to be used in energybending. So, she's consciously going into the State and energybending at the same time. Surely Aang would be able to do the same. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Babyfriend1 wrote:
You can't use the fact that korra learns it instantly just by interacting with Aang's spirit as evidence since that's what we were debating in the first place</i></div>
<p>I'm using Aang's interaction with the Lion Turtle as evidence, too. Aang learns it through the Lion Turtle bending his energy. Why can't Korra learn it from Aang's spirit bending her energy? </p>
You can't use the fact that korra learns it instantly just by interacting with Aang's spirit as evidence since that's what we were debating in the first place</i></div>
<p>I'm using Aang's interaction with the Lion Turtle as evidence, too. Aang learns it through the Lion Turtle bending his energy. Why can't Korra learn it from Aang's spirit bending her energy? </p>
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because Aang isn't a lion turtle
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Only lion turtles can give people who previously couldn't bend a thing the ability to bend that thing.
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Otherwise korra could give all the equalists bending to make them happy
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<p>I'm not referring at all to the power to gift elements. The Lion Turtle teaches Aang how to bend energy as a way to take away bending. He doesn't get the power to gift elements, nor does Korra. Why can't Aang at least share that specific knowledge in the same way to Korra?
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<p>because you're saying Aang gives korra the ability to bend energy but I'm saying that we've never heard of any human being able to give other humans the ability to bend stuff that they couldn't bend before- like energy
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<p>No, I don't say Aang gives her the power. Aang just gives her the knowledge, along with restoring Korra's bending.
</p><p>Aang learns energybending in less than a day. It's unlikely that happens unless there is a supernatural gift of knowledge. Aang can't give people bending, but he can at least share his existing knowledge in the same way (via energybending).
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Energybending is not a prerequisite to the Avatar State nor the other way around. Aang was able to Energybend Ozai's Firebending away without any indication he already mastered the Avatar State.
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<p>I agree that energybending is not a prerequisite to the Avatar State and vice-versa. A small point though: before Aang bends Ozai's energy, Aang has enough control to go out of the Avatar State out of his own will to stop the past Avatars from killing Ozai. In terms of Aang's ability to go in and out of the Avatar State, I think it's fair to say that he has figured out at least that. Shortly after he energybends, Aang shows control of the Avatar State to put out the fires.
</p><p>However, I don't think it's a coincidence that both Aang and Korra first show their ability to energybend very near the time they show control of the Avatar State. When they open their seventh chakra, they see a vision of their higher selves. By going there, they are able to control themselves completely in the Avatar State. Specifically for Korra, she can energybend herself only when she connects to her inner spirit via the Tree of Time. I connect this to the Lion's Turtle's talk of needing a unbendable spirit to bend another's energy. The ability to have complete control of your own thoughts and actions can apply to both controlling yourself in the Avatar State and bending your own energy. Although the Avatar State is not required for energybending, I think they both involve similar spiritual revelations.
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