<div class="quote"><i>Neo Bahamut wrote:
I'm much more concerned that he considers Film Theory to be a scientific source, which is somehow also a consensus, on psychic powers, which don't exist.</i></div>
<p>when the math is accurate than its accurate.  what precludes film theory from being a starting point for a scientific source? </p>

<div class="quote"><i>D-Bunk'd wrote:
What, this thread again? <p>I'm not responding to the rest, but ... </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote">Actionmanrandell wrote:
the actual DVD commentary says that to move earth the earthbender must have the physical strength to do so. durring the episode where Toph is training Aang but he can't grasp it.Bryan and Michael mention on the DVD commentary specifically that Aang couldn't earth bend because he doesn't have the mentality to do so  they went onto say that earthbenders can't just move earth as easy as say the other benders because earth has a substantial amount of mass. all the other benders have to do is just force a redirection of the element, air,fire, or water.  earth is to heavy and requires substantial physical strength to move as well. this is why Toph was having Aang lift that big ass boulder above his head(something she herself could easily do, which makes the later imprisonment in metal and wood a plot hole since if she can lift a several tonne rock the metal cage and the wooden sell would be nothing) </i></div>
Lol, wut??? <p>You <i>do</i> realize that if Toph were as physically strong as you've been implying in this thread, she'd have around Superman levels of strength and durability, right? She would be able to curbstomp even the Avatar without even needing to bend. There's a reason that Toph generally fights from a distance or opts to trap her opponents on the occasions she gets close. </p><p>
You took that DVD commentary <i>way</i> out of context, dude. </p> </div> <p>no i actually didn't take anything out of context, they LITERALLY stated exactly what i said. they literally stated that you have to have the physical strength to do so. and said that if a person can lift a huge boulder using earthbending they could do so also with there own muscles </p>

<p>i do not understand how people can't understand the concept here, lets say you can earthbend a mountain, it doesn't matter if you are only an earthbender. in order to manipulate a material you have to be able to exert  the required force to do so. </p><p>so lets say King Bumi could earthbend the average continental lithospheric plate, that would require him to exert the required force to move over 88 sextillion pounds. it literally doesn't matter if he has the power to bend EARTH, he still would be able to manipulate an object that weighs over 88 sextillion pounds.  </p><p>in order to move any metalic object with regular earthbending all the earthbender would have to do is place regular earth under the metal object and lift the object.  hell since earthbenders can increase the hardness and durablity of the earth they are manipulating he wouldn't even need the same volume of weight to move the same object. what i mean is for an earthbender to move say   100 hundred gallons of water using earthbending they wouldn't need 834lbs of earth to move said 100 gallons of water.  all that would be required is to form a bowl large enough to hold 100 gallons of water out of earth. </p><p>you see what i am saying. its a definitive fact that Toph can earthbend an object that weighs many orders of magnetude more than the drill. so she could than logically alter the course of the drill with a large enough piece of earth </p><p>but all of that isn't even needed. the drill has moving parts on both the outside and the inside. no machine can function properly of the moving parts are mucked up with enough dust. if she were to lift several tonnes of earth and turn it into a dust cloud she could have easily mucked up the moving parts of the drill so that it couldn't function properly  </p>

<p>I think it should be pretty obvious that raw physical strength has very little to do with bending, if at all. It's why a tiny thing like Toph could punk a dude like The Boulder (not calling Toph a wimp at all). It was her bending ability keeping the library in place, not her physical power.  </p><p>It's all about the chi, yo.  </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Mrsunrider wrote:
I think it should be pretty obvious that raw physical strength has very little to do with bending, if at all. It's why a tiny thing like Toph could punk a dude like The Boulder (not calling Toph a wimp at all). It was her bending ability keeping the library in place, not her physical power.  <p>It's all about the chi, yo.  </p> </i></div>
<p>like i said, thats literally impossible. one must exert the required FORCE to lift an object which will absolutely irrefutably bear down on the body </p><p>this is an irrefutable fact, its also why benders learn martial arts. the DVD commentary specifically states that there is a PHYSICAL load on the bender </p>

<p>"every action has an equal opposite reaction" except in the world of avatar. Just because a person moves a mountain in one direction doesn't mean they're pushing themself in the opposite direction. Remember the dai li agents' ceiling hanging technique? Explain that with your physics. If they were applying an upward force to the rocks and the avatar world conforms to the regular laws of motion then they would have been exerting an equal downward force on themselves. The only way gravity wouldn't pull them down is if the upward force on the rocks is not equal to its opposite reaction. I will admit that there is an opposite reaction whenever you bend because this is evident from ozai and korra flying with firebending, however it's been demonstrated that it's not equal. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Actionmanrandell wrote:
no i actually didn't take anything out of context, they LITERALLY stated exactly what i said. they literally stated that you have to have the physical strength to do so. and said that if a person can lift a huge boulder using earthbending they could do so also with there own muscles</i></div>
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</p><p>Taking that quote out of context is <i>exactly</i> what you did here. Again, if Toph were this physically strong, why would should she need to bend at all to fight anyone in the Avatar world? She'd be a near-literal Supergirl in strength and durability and just tank through everyone's attacks instead of countering them with bending. </p><p>EDIT: To further bring the point home, I'll use some examples: </p><p>If Toph were really as physically strong as you seem to think she was, her durability would invariably have to match. For example, Zuko's fire wouldn't have singed her feet in The Western Air Temple. </p><p>As far as strength goes, if Toph were really that strong, she wouldn't have needed to use some earthbending to help her move a heavy hammer and she could easily bust herself out of a wooden cage with her bare hands. </p>

<p>Sure, some physical strength is required to earthbend but it's not enough physical strength that you could generate the same amount of force without bending, although, to be fair, large boulders have been seen being kicked away by non-earthbenders. </p>

<p>Katara should have been able to flood the Fire Nation, Azula should have been able to vaporize Ba Sing Se, Aang should have been able to air-run around the world, and so on..... </p><p>Also are all of them either equal to Superman, Wonder Woman or Thor from DC and Marvel....... </p><p>That's almost how this thread sounds.......... </p>