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<p>In the avatar-verse. they clearly had already invented fire works. even the projectile ones too. this could of gave someone the idea of "boom sticks" like in disney's "Mulan" or Cannons that shen the pea cock created from "Kung Fu Panda 2" movie. This technology could of been easily been invented even in avatar roku era. But which nation could thought of building a gun first? and why? my bets are on the earth nation since they have the resources and man-power to build one for their king for entertainment purposes but it'll only be a proto-type that shoots fire works in the sky if u know what i mean. and the fire nation would be the alternative, giving they love to build weapons that'll be use for fear and show their power of their nation. But fire works would originated from the airbenders. (this is inspired by a true "story" that long ago, monks in asia invented fireworks so it'll work out fine in the avatar world too.)
</p><p>But in the end i'm sure it'll be invented. probably. This will also give non-benders a fair advantage in fights. There is alot of bad things that can come from fire-arms but there can be ALOT of good things too.
</p><p>For example: Authorities, Cops and Security will have a better chance to subdue benders who'll abuse there abilities. That's all i could think of. hehe lol. Go ahead & add more to the list of some good things about fire-arms being in the avatar world or even the bad ones too.
</p><p>(And FYi: This is not a "guns vs bending" topic.)
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<div class="quote"><i>Babyfriend1 wrote:
okay so what bending does kuvira's spiritcannon emulate?</i></div>
<p>Varrick explained that it was based off of Unavaatu's Spirit Beam that blew the wall off of his prison cell. </p>
okay so what bending does kuvira's spiritcannon emulate?</i></div>
<p>Varrick explained that it was based off of Unavaatu's Spirit Beam that blew the wall off of his prison cell. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>General442 wrote:<div class="quote">Babyfriend1 wrote:
I'm confused. Are you saying that the reason guns couldn't appear was because bows sucked?</i></div>
Not bows specifically. Any sort of primitive weaponry pales in comparison to bending. I'm saying that it would make sense for inventors in the Avatar world to design weapons and technology that were specifically designed to either emulate or counter bending, rather than trying to improve on what was seen as ineffective weapons. <p>Assume for a moment that you've never seen a firearm before. Why would you try to make a machine that launches a small projectile really fast using some sort of explosion, when an earthbender could just throw a 3-ton rock at you? As an inventor, you either want to make something that can withstand that sort of attack (tanks, mechas, etc.). Or you want a weapon that you're absolutely sure will get the job done (AoE weapons like gas, flame throwers, electrified bolas, bombs, etc.). Because if your tiny "projectile shooter" misses its shot, then you're as good as paste. </p> </div> <p>this is exactly what i was trying to say, guns pale in comparison to a giant rock being hurled you way </p>
I'm confused. Are you saying that the reason guns couldn't appear was because bows sucked?</i></div>
Not bows specifically. Any sort of primitive weaponry pales in comparison to bending. I'm saying that it would make sense for inventors in the Avatar world to design weapons and technology that were specifically designed to either emulate or counter bending, rather than trying to improve on what was seen as ineffective weapons. <p>Assume for a moment that you've never seen a firearm before. Why would you try to make a machine that launches a small projectile really fast using some sort of explosion, when an earthbender could just throw a 3-ton rock at you? As an inventor, you either want to make something that can withstand that sort of attack (tanks, mechas, etc.). Or you want a weapon that you're absolutely sure will get the job done (AoE weapons like gas, flame throwers, electrified bolas, bombs, etc.). Because if your tiny "projectile shooter" misses its shot, then you're as good as paste. </p> </div> <p>this is exactly what i was trying to say, guns pale in comparison to a giant rock being hurled you way </p>
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<p>I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.
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<div class="quote"><i>Babyfriend1 wrote:
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
<p>That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal. </p>
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
<p>That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>General442 wrote:<div class="quote">Babyfriend1 wrote:
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal. </div> <p>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists </p>
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal. </div> <p>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Babyfriend1 wrote:<div class="quote">General442 wrote:<div class="quote">Babyfriend1 wrote:
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal.</div>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists </div> <p>the equalists are trained specifically to take down benders. lets say you are an average army nonbender. you see a giant rock dropping on you. are you realistically going to be able to dodge a giant rock with bumi's or an average physique? </p>
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal.</div>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists </div> <p>the equalists are trained specifically to take down benders. lets say you are an average army nonbender. you see a giant rock dropping on you. are you realistically going to be able to dodge a giant rock with bumi's or an average physique? </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Tristantrimmer wrote:<div class="quote">Babyfriend1 wrote:<div class="quote">General442 wrote:<div class="quote">Babyfriend1 wrote:
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal.</div>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists</div>the equalists are trained specifically to take down benders. lets say you are an average army nonbender. you see a giant rock dropping on you. are you realistically going to be able to dodge a giant rock with bumi's or an average physique? </div> <p>Agility, strength, durability and people's ability to dodge in the avatar world isn't realistic by standards of our society so it's better to go off of what we've seen in the show to determine whether bending attacks usually hit or not and as for that even if you ignore the equalists who are specifically trained to fight benders there are still plenty of other examples especially in bender vs bender fights </p>
I mean- they can both cause lethal damage. Sure, a giant rock being hurled at you would be more powerful than a bullet being shot from a gun but seeing as you'd die either way I don't really think it matters as long as it manages to hit.</i></div>
That's the trick though: "managing to hit." Benders almost never miss because their attacks are larger and don't have to be as precise to still be lethal.</div>bending attacks don't "almost never miss". In fact, it's extremely common sometimes such as in probending and against the equalists</div>the equalists are trained specifically to take down benders. lets say you are an average army nonbender. you see a giant rock dropping on you. are you realistically going to be able to dodge a giant rock with bumi's or an average physique? </div> <p>Agility, strength, durability and people's ability to dodge in the avatar world isn't realistic by standards of our society so it's better to go off of what we've seen in the show to determine whether bending attacks usually hit or not and as for that even if you ignore the equalists who are specifically trained to fight benders there are still plenty of other examples especially in bender vs bender fights </p>
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Because because bending is a thousand times more effective than guns.
(Edited by Estrelarius)
<p>Bending wouldn't be more effective than guns if anything firearms if introduced would be used by benders and non benders alike.
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Depending on what type of firearms are being introduced this would have a drastic effect on range and precision, muzzle/breech loading muskets/rifles wouldn't do well in the Avatar universe, but repeating firearms would fare far better. firearms ranging from late 1700s to early 1900's (Napoleonic Wars to WW1) would be able to compete against benders quite well. </p><p>(Yes there were repeating rifles in military use during the Napoleonic wars, by the Austrians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle) </p><p>Due to the Technological advancement of the Avatar world by the end of LoK its feasible for WW1 bolt action or perhaps machine guns to be invented. Most of this is due to the sophistication of the spirit energy cannon which has rifling (for some reason), and features a belt feed auto loading system or chain gun like system (uses a motor rather than gas pressure for reloading) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6sk4db (skip to the 1:35 mark), the ammunition for the cannon pretty much introduces the concept of a cartridge. Technically you could have this in the Avatar world a few years after Legend of Korra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8RExzMdfg Gas operated automatic weaponry is also possible given the invention and mass production of the combustion engine in vehicles and explosive projectile weapons used in warfare by the fire nation during the Day of Black Sun invasion. Remember those battlements Sokka, Katara, and their dad took out yeah they featured explosive tipped warheads which seemed to be triggered by an impact fuse on the tip. </p><p>The level and speed of technological advancement in Avatar is insane when you think about it. </p><p>There is also the fact that human reaction times can not compare to the speed of a fired bullet, however benders could "dodge bullets" by simply throwing off the shooter's aim with quick or erratic movements or using some sort of cover like rock walls, dust/fog clouds, or my favorite suppressive FIRE. </p><p>Ease of training and use is also a key factor, its takes months to years of intensive training to become a Bending Master who is able to take on several to 1-2 dozen opponents simultaneously and expect to win. (see siege of Ba Sing Se by the White Lotus). </p><p>Compare this to taking some random farm/city boy whether they are a bender or not, give them a few weeks worth of training with a gun and now you have a man that could very easily nuetralize a Bending Master with a few shots. Basically becoming a capable rifleman is much easier and faster than becoming a capable bender. Which means any military that adopted firearms alongside benders could effectively double the size of their military by including non benders in front line roles, but also increase the combat effectiveness of lesser trained troops both bender and nonbender alike. </p><p>this is not to say bending would be completely phased out, as the tactical capabilities and advantages offered by bending would be far to great to ignore even with the advent of firearms. From the ability to change the layout of the battlefield through manipulation of terrain using water and earth bending, the ability to reach around cover or deny areas using fire bending, to the speed, manuverability, and flight capabilties offered by air bending. </p>
Depending on what type of firearms are being introduced this would have a drastic effect on range and precision, muzzle/breech loading muskets/rifles wouldn't do well in the Avatar universe, but repeating firearms would fare far better. firearms ranging from late 1700s to early 1900's (Napoleonic Wars to WW1) would be able to compete against benders quite well. </p><p>(Yes there were repeating rifles in military use during the Napoleonic wars, by the Austrians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle) </p><p>Due to the Technological advancement of the Avatar world by the end of LoK its feasible for WW1 bolt action or perhaps machine guns to be invented. Most of this is due to the sophistication of the spirit energy cannon which has rifling (for some reason), and features a belt feed auto loading system or chain gun like system (uses a motor rather than gas pressure for reloading) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6sk4db (skip to the 1:35 mark), the ammunition for the cannon pretty much introduces the concept of a cartridge. Technically you could have this in the Avatar world a few years after Legend of Korra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8RExzMdfg Gas operated automatic weaponry is also possible given the invention and mass production of the combustion engine in vehicles and explosive projectile weapons used in warfare by the fire nation during the Day of Black Sun invasion. Remember those battlements Sokka, Katara, and their dad took out yeah they featured explosive tipped warheads which seemed to be triggered by an impact fuse on the tip. </p><p>The level and speed of technological advancement in Avatar is insane when you think about it. </p><p>There is also the fact that human reaction times can not compare to the speed of a fired bullet, however benders could "dodge bullets" by simply throwing off the shooter's aim with quick or erratic movements or using some sort of cover like rock walls, dust/fog clouds, or my favorite suppressive FIRE. </p><p>Ease of training and use is also a key factor, its takes months to years of intensive training to become a Bending Master who is able to take on several to 1-2 dozen opponents simultaneously and expect to win. (see siege of Ba Sing Se by the White Lotus). </p><p>Compare this to taking some random farm/city boy whether they are a bender or not, give them a few weeks worth of training with a gun and now you have a man that could very easily nuetralize a Bending Master with a few shots. Basically becoming a capable rifleman is much easier and faster than becoming a capable bender. Which means any military that adopted firearms alongside benders could effectively double the size of their military by including non benders in front line roles, but also increase the combat effectiveness of lesser trained troops both bender and nonbender alike. </p><p>this is not to say bending would be completely phased out, as the tactical capabilities and advantages offered by bending would be far to great to ignore even with the advent of firearms. From the ability to change the layout of the battlefield through manipulation of terrain using water and earth bending, the ability to reach around cover or deny areas using fire bending, to the speed, manuverability, and flight capabilties offered by air bending. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Count Kibbles N Bits wrote:
Bending wouldn't be more effective than guns if anything firearms if introduced would be used by benders and non benders alike. <p>
Depending on what type of firearms are being introduced this would have a drastic effect on range and precision, muzzle/breech loading muskets/rifles wouldn't do well in the Avatar universe, but repeating firearms would fare far better. firearms ranging from late 1700s to early 1900's (Napoleonic Wars to WW1) would be able to compete against benders quite well. </p><p>(Yes there were repeating rifles in military use during the Napoleonic wars, by the Austrians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle) </p><p>Due to the Technological advancement of the Avatar world by the end of LoK its feasible for WW1 bolt action or perhaps machine guns to be invented. Most of this is due to the sophistication of the spirit energy cannon which has rifling (for some reason), and features a belt feed auto loading system or chain gun like system (uses a motor rather than gas pressure for reloading) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6sk4db (skip to the 1:35 mark), the ammunition for the cannon pretty much introduces the concept of a cartridge. Technically you could have this in the Avatar world a few years after Legend of Korra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8RExzMdfg Gas operated automatic weaponry is also possible given the invention and mass production of the combustion engine in vehicles and explosive projectile weapons used in warfare by the fire nation during the Day of Black Sun invasion. Remember those battlements Sokka, Katara, and their dad took out yeah they featured explosive tipped warheads which seemed to be triggered by an impact fuse on the tip. </p><p>The level and speed of technological advancement in Avatar is insane when you think about it. </p><p>There is also the fact that human reaction times can not compare to the speed of a fired bullet, however benders could "dodge bullets" by simply throwing off the shooter's aim with quick or erratic movements or using some sort of cover like rock walls, dust/fog clouds, or my favorite suppressive FIRE. </p><p>Ease of training and use is also a key factor, its takes months to years of intensive training to become a Bending Master who is able to take on several to 1-2 dozen opponents simultaneously and expect to win. (see siege of Ba Sing Se by the White Lotus). </p><p>Compare this to taking some random farm/city boy whether they are a bender or not, give them a few weeks worth of training with a gun and now you have a man that could very easily nuetralize a Bending Master with a few shots. Basically becoming a capable rifleman is much easier and faster than becoming a capable bender. Which means any military that adopted firearms alongside benders could effectively double the size of their military by including non benders in front line roles, but also increase the combat effectiveness of lesser trained troops both bender and nonbender alike. </p><p>this is not to say bending would be completely phased out, as the tactical capabilities and advantages offered by bending would be far to great to ignore even with the advent of firearms. From the ability to change the layout of the battlefield through manipulation of terrain using water and earth bending, the ability to reach around cover or deny areas using fire bending, to the speed, manuverability, and flight capabilties offered by air bending. </p> </i></div>
<p>there is another thing that i was thinking: what about had guns propelled or used to expand bending abilities? rememebr the fire cannons of the fire nation navy during the battle againts the equalist, how possible could be to create a hand gun version of those cannons that intensifies the range of fire bending for example? </p>
Bending wouldn't be more effective than guns if anything firearms if introduced would be used by benders and non benders alike. <p>
Depending on what type of firearms are being introduced this would have a drastic effect on range and precision, muzzle/breech loading muskets/rifles wouldn't do well in the Avatar universe, but repeating firearms would fare far better. firearms ranging from late 1700s to early 1900's (Napoleonic Wars to WW1) would be able to compete against benders quite well. </p><p>(Yes there were repeating rifles in military use during the Napoleonic wars, by the Austrians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle) </p><p>Due to the Technological advancement of the Avatar world by the end of LoK its feasible for WW1 bolt action or perhaps machine guns to be invented. Most of this is due to the sophistication of the spirit energy cannon which has rifling (for some reason), and features a belt feed auto loading system or chain gun like system (uses a motor rather than gas pressure for reloading) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6sk4db (skip to the 1:35 mark), the ammunition for the cannon pretty much introduces the concept of a cartridge. Technically you could have this in the Avatar world a few years after Legend of Korra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8RExzMdfg Gas operated automatic weaponry is also possible given the invention and mass production of the combustion engine in vehicles and explosive projectile weapons used in warfare by the fire nation during the Day of Black Sun invasion. Remember those battlements Sokka, Katara, and their dad took out yeah they featured explosive tipped warheads which seemed to be triggered by an impact fuse on the tip. </p><p>The level and speed of technological advancement in Avatar is insane when you think about it. </p><p>There is also the fact that human reaction times can not compare to the speed of a fired bullet, however benders could "dodge bullets" by simply throwing off the shooter's aim with quick or erratic movements or using some sort of cover like rock walls, dust/fog clouds, or my favorite suppressive FIRE. </p><p>Ease of training and use is also a key factor, its takes months to years of intensive training to become a Bending Master who is able to take on several to 1-2 dozen opponents simultaneously and expect to win. (see siege of Ba Sing Se by the White Lotus). </p><p>Compare this to taking some random farm/city boy whether they are a bender or not, give them a few weeks worth of training with a gun and now you have a man that could very easily nuetralize a Bending Master with a few shots. Basically becoming a capable rifleman is much easier and faster than becoming a capable bender. Which means any military that adopted firearms alongside benders could effectively double the size of their military by including non benders in front line roles, but also increase the combat effectiveness of lesser trained troops both bender and nonbender alike. </p><p>this is not to say bending would be completely phased out, as the tactical capabilities and advantages offered by bending would be far to great to ignore even with the advent of firearms. From the ability to change the layout of the battlefield through manipulation of terrain using water and earth bending, the ability to reach around cover or deny areas using fire bending, to the speed, manuverability, and flight capabilties offered by air bending. </p> </i></div>
<p>there is another thing that i was thinking: what about had guns propelled or used to expand bending abilities? rememebr the fire cannons of the fire nation navy during the battle againts the equalist, how possible could be to create a hand gun version of those cannons that intensifies the range of fire bending for example? </p>
(Edited by Rutakus)