Hou-Ting and Kuvira: Who was the Worst

Wolf 91·1/9/2015 in Netflix series

Ok we all know that Both Kuvira and Hou-Ting were very tyranical rulers who cared only for themselfs. (I personaly think they were the worst rulers of the Kingdom). But who was the WORST ruler of the Earth Kingdom (or Empire)?

(Edited by Wolf 91)

Kuvira Earth Kingdom Earth Empire Hou-Ting

Integer115·2/9/2015

<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got chills watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their Furher, chanting "Heil Hitler". </div>
I think this is common in Asia. The japanese, for example, worshipped the Emperor like a god. And seeing as she treated Wu the same way we can see that the reason she did it was not because Hou Ting did something to deserve it, but because she was born in the royal family. It's like she think that just because of the situation of their births they are better than everyone else, like a god-like person.</div>To be fair, I think the Japanese royal family is supposed to be "descended" from the sun god Amaterasu, or something; which I think is where their divinity supposedly came from. Could be a similar situation with the Earth Kingdom's royal family. @Wolf 91: Just because a nation has natural resources doesn't mean it has a strong economy. Many third-world countries that are resource rich struggle to even match the output of the many great powers; it should be mentioned that many of those nations were former colonies of said great powers, and in some cases those nations should never have been created in the first place. I'm certain Kuvira knew the city was empty - being the paranoid, controlling person that she was by the end of the season, I don't see how she could not know. I mean, one of the largest cities in the world being evacuated as a foreign army was marching towards them? With the city clear, she was probably willing to take more risks - like firing that cannon blindly when the fight with Team Avatar started to get heated. The first time she opened fire on two or three dreadnoughts of the URN fleet; those are valid military targets. Just throwing that out. Would she have been willing to fire that cannon in a densely populated area to kill the Avatar? Judging by how she was willing to take out Bataar to achieve victory, it's certainly possible. So what if the Earth Nation only gave up a small portion of the continent? That's like saying "hey, since the United States only annexed the southern portion of Canada along the Great Lakes, it's okay, right?" - because it isn't; that's where the overwhelming majority of the population is at. Since the Fire Nation chose that land to colonize first, there's a good chance they chose that land for a reason (whether it be resources, natural harbors, a decent population to take advantage of, etc). You're still not looking at it from the aspect of an Earth Nation citizen, one that possibly grew up during the horrors of the Hundred Year War. Maybe they lost family to the Fire Nation - maybe they were attacked and have the scar to prove it. They hear that the Avatar returns, and when the war ends with victory for the Earth Kingdom, they expect that the Avatar will restore balance and expel the Fire Nation colonists and invaders from land that had rightfully been the Earth Kingdom's for thousands of years. Being the biased person that they are, they don't care about the welfare of the Fire Nation citizens living in a place like Yu Dao, because of the horrors they had experienced at the hands of said nation - especially when they heard that Ozai was planning on exterminating the people of the Earth Kingdom. They also don't care that by forcing them out of their new homes, they're destroying the lives of many Earth Nation and mixed ethnicity citizens that have reached a peaceful equilibrium within the colonies. Because that's what people do - they adapt to whatever situation the best way that they can. From their point of view - which is not entirely wrong - they have every right to be pissed. Imagine how many people in the Earth Kingdom must have felt cheated by Aang for siding with the Fire Nation colonists, even though they were the ones that started the war in the beginning. I guarantee you this was a popular feeling in the Earth Kingdom, following the founding of Republic City and leading up to the assassination of Hou-Ting. </div>Would't it seem odd that Kuvira's Earth Empire has a poor economy yet enough mony to fund an army and build a super weapon. The Empire did't seem like it hade too many economical issues. If that's true then why did't she attack in the two weeks to be sure that everyone hade evacuated. Also what about the other citys in the United Republic of Nations, we did't see them evacuate. First of all it seems to me like the Fire Nation Colonized that area because it was the peice of the continant that was closest to the Fire Nation. Also the only Earth Nation charecters who opposed the United Republic were Hou-Ting, Kuvira and Baatar Jr (3 people is not enough to say it's a common opinon among the Nation) and Baatar Jr himself even admited that the Earth Nation did't need the United Republic and can do just fine without. </div>Economy that can afford superweapon is the result of three years of work. Work for you for some reason think that Kuvira is the villain. Kuvira had not planned military operations in the city. She restored historical justice to her nation. Korra attacked the forces of the empire after the surrender of the city. She violated the terms of the armistice and caused devastation in the city. The nation no head or other parts of the body. For this reason, the will of the nation expresses the leader of the nation. Kuvira objectively is the leader of the nation. Baatar Jr. is a coward. He betrayed his officer's honor. He defeatist. Kuvira had every right to punish him for what he has disgraced the honor of an officer with calls to escape from the battlefield. Do you really think that a coward and a defeatist worthy of respect? </div>Of corse Kuvira is a villain look at what she did (Conquring States, Forcing Local Towns people into Slave Labore, Sending thous who are Not of Earth Kingdom Decant to Prison Camps, Naglacting both the Spirits and the Ecosystom just to build and Use a Super Weapon to Attack another Nation). No Kuvira cause devistation in the City by bringing her WMD to the Republic and blasting the whole City. Also Korra did the United Republic a favor by not letting a Military Dictator like Kuvira conquer it. It's not like Everybody in the Earth Nation wanted Kuvira to be Leadar, Remamber how she eaither intimidated or conquerd towns so she could be in charge of them. It is not betrayle to realize that the Earth Nation dous't need the United Republic (wich according to it's page only hase elactricity probobly fishing and possibly farmland in other parts of the Republic). Do I think Baatar Jr should be punished yes but Not for trying to convince Kuvira to not take the Republic (that is the one good thing he has done since leaving Zaofu) He should be punished for helping Kuvira conquer and rule the Earth Nation with an Iron Fist. </div> I think there are fundamental differences in starting my and your worldview: I believe that regional leaders contribute to the separation of state and nation apart are criminals. You consider them heroes. I believe that if the state destroyed by chaos then labor mobilization is a necessary condition for rapid restoration of the economy. You think that the economy is in itself restore with the magical power of democracy. You think that between slavery and labor appeal there is no difference. I know that between the economic tools there is a huge difference. But Opal does not understand it and it's her problem and not Kuvira. You continue to invent some thousands of detained foreigners. Although they can not by definition be more than a few dozen. You think that there are only the national interests of the Republic. I believe that each nation has its own interests. You continue to ignore everything that was shown on the show. You have not forgotten that the superweapon exploded because of the actions of Korra and her friends? Again, a complete disregard for the facts. Kuvira pressed on rebel regional leaders rather than ordinary people. Or you confused about the warning statements against the government. I remind you that in any country actions against the government is a crime. Baatar Jr. and Korra just said about the only motive for his action. About Iron Fist is ridiculous. Conventional measures to restore order in the country which is burned in the flames of chaos you announcing tyranny.

(Edited by Integer115)

Wolf 91·2/9/2015

<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got chills watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their Furher, chanting "Heil Hitler". </div>
I think this is common in Asia. The japanese, for example, worshipped the Emperor like a god. And seeing as she treated Wu the same way we can see that the reason she did it was not because Hou Ting did something to deserve it, but because she was born in the royal family. It's like she think that just because of the situation of their births they are better than everyone else, like a god-like person.</div>To be fair, I think the Japanese royal family is supposed to be "descended" from the sun god Amaterasu, or something; which I think is where their divinity supposedly came from. Could be a similar situation with the Earth Kingdom's royal family. @Wolf 91: Just because a nation has natural resources doesn't mean it has a strong economy. Many third-world countries that are resource rich struggle to even match the output of the many great powers; it should be mentioned that many of those nations were former colonies of said great powers, and in some cases those nations should never have been created in the first place. I'm certain Kuvira knew the city was empty - being the paranoid, controlling person that she was by the end of the season, I don't see how she could not know. I mean, one of the largest cities in the world being evacuated as a foreign army was marching towards them? With the city clear, she was probably willing to take more risks - like firing that cannon blindly when the fight with Team Avatar started to get heated. The first time she opened fire on two or three dreadnoughts of the URN fleet; those are valid military targets. Just throwing that out. Would she have been willing to fire that cannon in a densely populated area to kill the Avatar? Judging by how she was willing to take out Bataar to achieve victory, it's certainly possible. So what if the Earth Nation only gave up a small portion of the continent? That's like saying "hey, since the United States only annexed the southern portion of Canada along the Great Lakes, it's okay, right?" - because it isn't; that's where the overwhelming majority of the population is at. Since the Fire Nation chose that land to colonize first, there's a good chance they chose that land for a reason (whether it be resources, natural harbors, a decent population to take advantage of, etc). You're still not looking at it from the aspect of an Earth Nation citizen, one that possibly grew up during the horrors of the Hundred Year War. Maybe they lost family to the Fire Nation - maybe they were attacked and have the scar to prove it. They hear that the Avatar returns, and when the war ends with victory for the Earth Kingdom, they expect that the Avatar will restore balance and expel the Fire Nation colonists and invaders from land that had rightfully been the Earth Kingdom's for thousands of years. Being the biased person that they are, they don't care about the welfare of the Fire Nation citizens living in a place like Yu Dao, because of the horrors they had experienced at the hands of said nation - especially when they heard that Ozai was planning on exterminating the people of the Earth Kingdom. They also don't care that by forcing them out of their new homes, they're destroying the lives of many Earth Nation and mixed ethnicity citizens that have reached a peaceful equilibrium within the colonies. Because that's what people do - they adapt to whatever situation the best way that they can. From their point of view - which is not entirely wrong - they have every right to be pissed. Imagine how many people in the Earth Kingdom must have felt cheated by Aang for siding with the Fire Nation colonists, even though they were the ones that started the war in the beginning. I guarantee you this was a popular feeling in the Earth Kingdom, following the founding of Republic City and leading up to the assassination of Hou-Ting. </div>Would't it seem odd that Kuvira's Earth Empire has a poor economy yet enough mony to fund an army and build a super weapon. The Empire did't seem like it hade too many economical issues. If that's true then why did't she attack in the two weeks to be sure that everyone hade evacuated. Also what about the other citys in the United Republic of Nations, we did't see them evacuate. First of all it seems to me like the Fire Nation Colonized that area because it was the peice of the continant that was closest to the Fire Nation. Also the only Earth Nation charecters who opposed the United Republic were Hou-Ting, Kuvira and Baatar Jr (3 people is not enough to say it's a common opinon among the Nation) and Baatar Jr himself even admited that the Earth Nation did't need the United Republic and can do just fine without. </div>Economy that can afford superweapon is the result of three years of work. Work for you for some reason think that Kuvira is the villain. Kuvira had not planned military operations in the city. She restored historical justice to her nation. Korra attacked the forces of the empire after the surrender of the city. She violated the terms of the armistice and caused devastation in the city. The nation no head or other parts of the body. For this reason, the will of the nation expresses the leader of the nation. Kuvira objectively is the leader of the nation. Baatar Jr. is a coward. He betrayed his officer's honor. He defeatist. Kuvira had every right to punish him for what he has disgraced the honor of an officer with calls to escape from the battlefield. Do you really think that a coward and a defeatist worthy of respect? </div>Of corse Kuvira is a villain look at what she did (Conquring States, Forcing Local Towns people into Slave Labore, Sending thous who are Not of Earth Kingdom Decant to Prison Camps, Naglacting both the Spirits and the Ecosystom just to build and Use a Super Weapon to Attack another Nation). No Kuvira cause devistation in the City by bringing her WMD to the Republic and blasting the whole City. Also Korra did the United Republic a favor by not letting a Military Dictator like Kuvira conquer it. It's not like Everybody in the Earth Nation wanted Kuvira to be Leadar, Remamber how she eaither intimidated or conquerd towns so she could be in charge of them. It is not betrayle to realize that the Earth Nation dous't need the United Republic (wich according to it's page only hase elactricity probobly fishing and possibly farmland in other parts of the Republic). Do I think Baatar Jr should be punished yes but Not for trying to convince Kuvira to not take the Republic (that is the one good thing he has done since leaving Zaofu) He should be punished for helping Kuvira conquer and rule the Earth Nation with an Iron Fist. </div>I think there are fundamental differences in starting my and your worldview: I believe that regional leaders contribute to the separation of state and nation apart are criminals. You consider them heroes. I believe that if the state destroyed by chaos then labor mobilization is a necessary condition for rapid restoration of the economy. You think that the economy is in itself restore with the magical power of democracy. You think that between slavery and labor appeal there is no difference. I know that between the economic tools there is a huge difference. But Opal does not understand it and it's her problem and not Kuvira. You continue to invent some thousands of detained foreigners. Although they can not by definition be more than a few dozen. You think that there are only the national interests of the Republic. I believe that each nation has its own interests. You continue to ignore everything that was shown on the show. You have not forgotten that the superweapon exploded because of the actions of Korra and her friends? Again, a complete disregard for the facts. Kuvira pressed on rebel regional leaders rather than ordinary people. Or you confused about the warning statements against the government. I remind you that in any country actions against the government is a crime. Baatar Jr. and Korra just said about the only motive for his action. About Iron Fist is ridiculous. Conventional measures to restore order in the country which is burned in the flames of chaos you announcing tyranny. </div> Opal said that the Towns People were forced to work as Slave Labore. Also Opal would know sause she and the other Air Benders were going around trying to Stabalize the Earth Nation. Also I never even saw Kuvira or Baatar Jr denie what they were doing. Also most of the Nation was undere her controle but the Air Nation was still spread thine wich leaves me to belive that the Air Nation was also trying to help thous who were being opprased by Kuvira. I've said this before and I'll say this again Imprisoning thous of non Earth Nation ethnicity is Racisum and Racist's do Not make good leadars. Also people should not be sent to prison for exprasing thier opinon, Freedom of Speech is a Right Evarybody should have. Yes each Nation has an intrast and it would have been in the intrasts of the majority of the Earth Nation for Wu to be leader not Kuvira. Korra saved the city from being blasted apart by Kuvira. Also remamber non of that would have happend if Kuvira had't tryed to conquer the Republic (wich is not even part of the Earth Nation), The Empire did't even need to conquer the Republic in the 1st place.

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Count Kibbles N Bits·2/10/2015

Didn't Hou-Ting also build secret labor and military conscription camps, like Kuvira with discrimination towards earth kindom air benders? To point out Hou-Ting also used the Dia Li still, meaning any number of that organisations secret in humane acts could still be going on, under her supervision. Hou-Ting never seemed like a niave and gullible ruler like her father, but more paranoid and callous enough to not trust the Dai Li under anyone else but herself. Combine that with economic instability due to over taxation, a weak if not corrupt military oweing to the cheap construction of the Earth Kingdom airships, the Imperial Guards looting the palace after her assassination, and lack of security to nuetralize the bandits and outlaws that constantly stole the tax money; Id say Hou-Ting was a much worse ruler.

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Wolf 91·2/10/2015

She was pretty bad.

(Edited by Wolf 91)

CommanderZeta·2/10/2015

<div class="quote">Opal said that the Towns People were forced to work as Slave Labore. Also Opal would know sause she and the other Air Benders were going around trying to Stabalize the Earth Nation. Also I never even saw Kuvira or Baatar Jr denie what they were doing. Also most of the Nation was undere her controle but the Air Nation was still spread thine wich leaves me to belive that the Air Nation was also trying to help thous who were being opprased by Kuvira.</div>
How many times do we have to say it... Opal is terribly biased, and as such, anything she says should be subject to criticism! I don't believe she would lie intentionally about such a thing, but seriously... I believe her about as much as I believe Kuvira's tirades about the Earth Empire and how the URN has no right to exist. Which is with a heavy dose of scepticism. We don't know what she saw. If so may Airbenders saw what was going on, wouldn't Kai know as well? Someone mentioned earlier that he had few objections to Kuvira's plan. They never denied it because they were never forced to defend themselves. Nor did they have a cliche villain monologue and gloat about their crimes. As was seen in the beginning, the Air Nation was working with Kuvira - if grudginly - to aid the Earth Nation. Opal was pissed because of the rift that had been created between her family and Kuvira. Even Bolin, who was just trying to help the people of his cultural hertiage, got the cold shoulder for working with Kuvira. We don't know how long it took for Kuvira to start becoming the twisted, power-hungry nationalist that she was near the finale of Book 4. I'm almost certain it was a slow, gradual process. <div class="quote">Yes each Nation has an intrast and it would have been in the intrasts of the majority of the Earth Nation for Wu to be leader not Kuvira.</div>
... Wu, even with his character development, is not qualified to run a country. Would you honestly want an idiot (a somewhat likeable one, but an idiot nonetheless) like Wu as President of the United States - or whatever country you're from? Dear God I wouldn't. I wouldn't want someone like Book 4 Kuvira either - Book 3 Kuvira? Maybe, if we didn't have to worry about power corrupting her. It would have been in the best interest of the Earth Nation if Raiko and the other world leaders hadn't decided to reunify the nation - by force. When Kuvira stepped up to the plate, Raiko ordered her to rebuild the country - she was doing what he told her to. Where's the blame on Raiko for letting Kuvira do whatever she wanted during her tenure as Regent (I'm using that for lack of a better term) of the Earth Kingdom? Where is the intervention to prevent Kuvira from accumulating so much power? More importantly, if no one liked her, how in the name of God did she get so much power? You think Hitler magically became the dictator of Germany? No - enough people elected him, and following the death of President von Hindenburg and the arson of the Reichstag, he had overwhelming support to do whatever he wished. For Kuvira to stay in power as well as she did - and to have an army so large that was willing to follow her - the majority had to have liked her. Kuvira had the interests of her nation at heart - not Wu (at least, not in the beginning); after soul searching and character development, he realized that he didn't even want to be King. Considering how inept the monarchy under Kuei was and how oppressive it was under Hou-Ting, why on earth would they want another monarch of that dynasty - one who cares more about the latest fashion and living an opulent lifestyle in Republic City than helping his citizens and aiding the recovery of his nation? You could argue that as a culture it was psychologically-ingrained (or whatever the proper phrase is) in the Earth Nation to following a strong personality like Kuvira without question -much like how Germans as a whole were used to centuries of following the commands of their lords - and that they were willing to accept a little political repression in return for food, stability, and the restoration of national pride. This push to rebuild the Earth Kingdom as it was three years prior is ridiculous - the blind obsession with "balance" and tradition was what caused the debacle over the Fire Nation colonies - which almost restarted the Hundred Year War. Raiko should never have tried to force the Earth Nation back together to suit his own political aspirations, either - they should have used troops to intervene in places that were being torn apart by chaos and civil war, and negotiated with stable regions like Zaofu. Something like a loose federation of states would have been the best thing to work towards. I'd be willing to argue that Raiko is as much to blame for creating the debacle in the first place. And as a final thought... Wu is an Earth Nation citizen - as the Crown Prince, he is arguably the most important citizen of the Earth Nation. Those people he saved in Republic City were not his subjects. I'm glad he did, because he saved many innocent lives and helped stop Kuvira's insanity. However, that doesn't change the fact that he was willingly aiding a hostile power - and committing treason against his own nation. If Earth Nation sentiment towards the URN and the Old Monarchy is as negative as it seems, how do you think they'll react when they learn this? He'd never be King - even if he wanted to.

(Edited by CommanderZeta)

Integer115·2/10/2015

<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got chills watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their Furher, chanting "Heil Hitler". </div>
I think this is common in Asia. The japanese, for example, worshipped the Emperor like a god. And seeing as she treated Wu the same way we can see that the reason she did it was not because Hou Ting did something to deserve it, but because she was born in the royal family. It's like she think that just because of the situation of their births they are better than everyone else, like a god-like person.</div>To be fair, I think the Japanese royal family is supposed to be "descended" from the sun god Amaterasu, or something; which I think is where their divinity supposedly came from. Could be a similar situation with the Earth Kingdom's royal family. @Wolf 91: Just because a nation has natural resources doesn't mean it has a strong economy. Many third-world countries that are resource rich struggle to even match the output of the many great powers; it should be mentioned that many of those nations were former colonies of said great powers, and in some cases those nations should never have been created in the first place. I'm certain Kuvira knew the city was empty - being the paranoid, controlling person that she was by the end of the season, I don't see how she could not know. I mean, one of the largest cities in the world being evacuated as a foreign army was marching towards them? With the city clear, she was probably willing to take more risks - like firing that cannon blindly when the fight with Team Avatar started to get heated. The first time she opened fire on two or three dreadnoughts of the URN fleet; those are valid military targets. Just throwing that out. Would she have been willing to fire that cannon in a densely populated area to kill the Avatar? Judging by how she was willing to take out Bataar to achieve victory, it's certainly possible. So what if the Earth Nation only gave up a small portion of the continent? That's like saying "hey, since the United States only annexed the southern portion of Canada along the Great Lakes, it's okay, right?" - because it isn't; that's where the overwhelming majority of the population is at. Since the Fire Nation chose that land to colonize first, there's a good chance they chose that land for a reason (whether it be resources, natural harbors, a decent population to take advantage of, etc). You're still not looking at it from the aspect of an Earth Nation citizen, one that possibly grew up during the horrors of the Hundred Year War. Maybe they lost family to the Fire Nation - maybe they were attacked and have the scar to prove it. They hear that the Avatar returns, and when the war ends with victory for the Earth Kingdom, they expect that the Avatar will restore balance and expel the Fire Nation colonists and invaders from land that had rightfully been the Earth Kingdom's for thousands of years. Being the biased person that they are, they don't care about the welfare of the Fire Nation citizens living in a place like Yu Dao, because of the horrors they had experienced at the hands of said nation - especially when they heard that Ozai was planning on exterminating the people of the Earth Kingdom. They also don't care that by forcing them out of their new homes, they're destroying the lives of many Earth Nation and mixed ethnicity citizens that have reached a peaceful equilibrium within the colonies. Because that's what people do - they adapt to whatever situation the best way that they can. From their point of view - which is not entirely wrong - they have every right to be pissed. Imagine how many people in the Earth Kingdom must have felt cheated by Aang for siding with the Fire Nation colonists, even though they were the ones that started the war in the beginning. I guarantee you this was a popular feeling in the Earth Kingdom, following the founding of Republic City and leading up to the assassination of Hou-Ting. </div>Would't it seem odd that Kuvira's Earth Empire has a poor economy yet enough mony to fund an army and build a super weapon. The Empire did't seem like it hade too many economical issues. If that's true then why did't she attack in the two weeks to be sure that everyone hade evacuated. Also what about the other citys in the United Republic of Nations, we did't see them evacuate. First of all it seems to me like the Fire Nation Colonized that area because it was the peice of the continant that was closest to the Fire Nation. Also the only Earth Nation charecters who opposed the United Republic were Hou-Ting, Kuvira and Baatar Jr (3 people is not enough to say it's a common opinon among the Nation) and Baatar Jr himself even admited that the Earth Nation did't need the United Republic and can do just fine without. </div>Economy that can afford superweapon is the result of three years of work. Work for you for some reason think that Kuvira is the villain. Kuvira had not planned military operations in the city. She restored historical justice to her nation. Korra attacked the forces of the empire after the surrender of the city. She violated the terms of the armistice and caused devastation in the city. The nation no head or other parts of the body. For this reason, the will of the nation expresses the leader of the nation. Kuvira objectively is the leader of the nation. Baatar Jr. is a coward. He betrayed his officer's honor. He defeatist. Kuvira had every right to punish him for what he has disgraced the honor of an officer with calls to escape from the battlefield. Do you really think that a coward and a defeatist worthy of respect? </div>Of corse Kuvira is a villain look at what she did (Conquring States, Forcing Local Towns people into Slave Labore, Sending thous who are Not of Earth Kingdom Decant to Prison Camps, Naglacting both the Spirits and the Ecosystom just to build and Use a Super Weapon to Attack another Nation). No Kuvira cause devistation in the City by bringing her WMD to the Republic and blasting the whole City. Also Korra did the United Republic a favor by not letting a Military Dictator like Kuvira conquer it. It's not like Everybody in the Earth Nation wanted Kuvira to be Leadar, Remamber how she eaither intimidated or conquerd towns so she could be in charge of them. It is not betrayle to realize that the Earth Nation dous't need the United Republic (wich according to it's page only hase elactricity probobly fishing and possibly farmland in other parts of the Republic). Do I think Baatar Jr should be punished yes but Not for trying to convince Kuvira to not take the Republic (that is the one good thing he has done since leaving Zaofu) He should be punished for helping Kuvira conquer and rule the Earth Nation with an Iron Fist. </div>I think there are fundamental differences in starting my and your worldview: I believe that regional leaders contribute to the separation of state and nation apart are criminals. You consider them heroes. I believe that if the state destroyed by chaos then labor mobilization is a necessary condition for rapid restoration of the economy. You think that the economy is in itself restore with the magical power of democracy. You think that between slavery and labor appeal there is no difference. I know that between the economic tools there is a huge difference. But Opal does not understand it and it's her problem and not Kuvira. You continue to invent some thousands of detained foreigners. Although they can not by definition be more than a few dozen. You think that there are only the national interests of the Republic. I believe that each nation has its own interests. You continue to ignore everything that was shown on the show. You have not forgotten that the superweapon exploded because of the actions of Korra and her friends? Again, a complete disregard for the facts. Kuvira pressed on rebel regional leaders rather than ordinary people. Or you confused about the warning statements against the government. I remind you that in any country actions against the government is a crime. Baatar Jr. and Korra just said about the only motive for his action. About Iron Fist is ridiculous. Conventional measures to restore order in the country which is burned in the flames of chaos you announcing tyranny. </div>Opal said that the Towns People were forced to work as Slave Labore. Also Opal would know sause she and the other Air Benders were going around trying to Stabalize the Earth Nation. Also I never even saw Kuvira or Baatar Jr denie what they were doing. Also most of the Nation was undere her controle but the Air Nation was still spread thine wich leaves me to belive that the Air Nation was also trying to help thous who were being opprased by Kuvira. I've said this before and I'll say this again Imprisoning thous of non Earth Nation ethnicity is Racisum and Racist's do Not make good leadars. Also people should not be sent to prison for exprasing thier opinon, Freedom of Speech is a Right Evarybody should have. Yes each Nation has an intrast and it would have been in the intrasts of the majority of the Earth Nation for Wu to be leader not Kuvira. Korra saved the city from being blasted apart by Kuvira. Also remamber non of that would have happend if Kuvira had't tryed to conquer the Republic (wich is not even part of the Earth Nation), The Empire did't even need to conquer the Republic in the 1st place. </div> Do you still have nothing but emotion. I can only repeat what has been said: Airbenders help was quite inadequate so explicitly stated in the show. Also do you really think that the dependence of one nation by another nation is a normal situation? Between slavery and labor service is a significant difference. And in some situations, it is a necessary measure. Yes you take a lot of people and sends them to build a road or field fortifications. Einstein and other scientists fled from Germany because of racism. These scientists pursued because of ethnicity. At the time of dating with Kuvira, Varrik was a criminal in Republic. Kuvira protected him from prosecution by the law of the Republic. On Freedom of Speech speech was not there. Again you say things that were not in the show. Kuvira demanded allegiance to the empire and to recognize the new government. And nothing more. It was entirely reasonable and justified (for the Earth Nation) requirement. Before the Ozai aggression all nations lived on their lands. After he was overthrown, on the territory deprived from the Earth Kingdom, a Republic was born, where different nations live together. But why would people living in a peaceful dynamically growing city go to the Earth Kingdom that’s already going to the bad stretch and displaying suspicions to aliens? How many of such people can be? I would assume, there’re no hordes of them and they are mostly young. That, plus the fact that such people can easily throw fireballs and arise huge tides, makes them very dangerous to the newborn country, a country just few month ago boiled in the anarchy chaos. Kuvira restore order. Kuvira created a state. Kuvira commanded the army. Kuira created this army. Kuvira led for a people. And she proved to be an excellent crisis manager. Prince all three years entertained at parties in a foreign country. Then came a state created by Kuvira and demanded power. His claim was supported by foreign leaders. Who should rule? If you just ignore the importance for the nation struggle against feudalism and separatism is your right. But Kuvira competent patriot. She understood the importance of such things. Republic also tried to manipulate the Earth Nation. This was admitted by Raiko. But for you, the idea of a puppet king and the clown at the head of the country which was burning in the flames of chaos is good and right. No, objectively it's a disaster for Earth Nation.

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Wolf 91·2/10/2015

<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got chills watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their Furher, chanting "Heil Hitler". </div>
I think this is common in Asia. The japanese, for example, worshipped the Emperor like a god. And seeing as she treated Wu the same way we can see that the reason she did it was not because Hou Ting did something to deserve it, but because she was born in the royal family. It's like she think that just because of the situation of their births they are better than everyone else, like a god-like person.</div>To be fair, I think the Japanese royal family is supposed to be "descended" from the sun god Amaterasu, or something; which I think is where their divinity supposedly came from. Could be a similar situation with the Earth Kingdom's royal family. @Wolf 91: Just because a nation has natural resources doesn't mean it has a strong economy. Many third-world countries that are resource rich struggle to even match the output of the many great powers; it should be mentioned that many of those nations were former colonies of said great powers, and in some cases those nations should never have been created in the first place. I'm certain Kuvira knew the city was empty - being the paranoid, controlling person that she was by the end of the season, I don't see how she could not know. I mean, one of the largest cities in the world being evacuated as a foreign army was marching towards them? With the city clear, she was probably willing to take more risks - like firing that cannon blindly when the fight with Team Avatar started to get heated. The first time she opened fire on two or three dreadnoughts of the URN fleet; those are valid military targets. Just throwing that out. Would she have been willing to fire that cannon in a densely populated area to kill the Avatar? Judging by how she was willing to take out Bataar to achieve victory, it's certainly possible. So what if the Earth Nation only gave up a small portion of the continent? That's like saying "hey, since the United States only annexed the southern portion of Canada along the Great Lakes, it's okay, right?" - because it isn't; that's where the overwhelming majority of the population is at. Since the Fire Nation chose that land to colonize first, there's a good chance they chose that land for a reason (whether it be resources, natural harbors, a decent population to take advantage of, etc). You're still not looking at it from the aspect of an Earth Nation citizen, one that possibly grew up during the horrors of the Hundred Year War. Maybe they lost family to the Fire Nation - maybe they were attacked and have the scar to prove it. They hear that the Avatar returns, and when the war ends with victory for the Earth Kingdom, they expect that the Avatar will restore balance and expel the Fire Nation colonists and invaders from land that had rightfully been the Earth Kingdom's for thousands of years. Being the biased person that they are, they don't care about the welfare of the Fire Nation citizens living in a place like Yu Dao, because of the horrors they had experienced at the hands of said nation - especially when they heard that Ozai was planning on exterminating the people of the Earth Kingdom. They also don't care that by forcing them out of their new homes, they're destroying the lives of many Earth Nation and mixed ethnicity citizens that have reached a peaceful equilibrium within the colonies. Because that's what people do - they adapt to whatever situation the best way that they can. From their point of view - which is not entirely wrong - they have every right to be pissed. Imagine how many people in the Earth Kingdom must have felt cheated by Aang for siding with the Fire Nation colonists, even though they were the ones that started the war in the beginning. I guarantee you this was a popular feeling in the Earth Kingdom, following the founding of Republic City and leading up to the assassination of Hou-Ting. </div>Would't it seem odd that Kuvira's Earth Empire has a poor economy yet enough mony to fund an army and build a super weapon. The Empire did't seem like it hade too many economical issues. If that's true then why did't she attack in the two weeks to be sure that everyone hade evacuated. Also what about the other citys in the United Republic of Nations, we did't see them evacuate. First of all it seems to me like the Fire Nation Colonized that area because it was the peice of the continant that was closest to the Fire Nation. Also the only Earth Nation charecters who opposed the United Republic were Hou-Ting, Kuvira and Baatar Jr (3 people is not enough to say it's a common opinon among the Nation) and Baatar Jr himself even admited that the Earth Nation did't need the United Republic and can do just fine without. </div>Economy that can afford superweapon is the result of three years of work. Work for you for some reason think that Kuvira is the villain. Kuvira had not planned military operations in the city. She restored historical justice to her nation. Korra attacked the forces of the empire after the surrender of the city. She violated the terms of the armistice and caused devastation in the city. The nation no head or other parts of the body. For this reason, the will of the nation expresses the leader of the nation. Kuvira objectively is the leader of the nation. Baatar Jr. is a coward. He betrayed his officer's honor. He defeatist. Kuvira had every right to punish him for what he has disgraced the honor of an officer with calls to escape from the battlefield. Do you really think that a coward and a defeatist worthy of respect? </div>Of corse Kuvira is a villain look at what she did (Conquring States, Forcing Local Towns people into Slave Labore, Sending thous who are Not of Earth Kingdom Decant to Prison Camps, Naglacting both the Spirits and the Ecosystom just to build and Use a Super Weapon to Attack another Nation). No Kuvira cause devistation in the City by bringing her WMD to the Republic and blasting the whole City. Also Korra did the United Republic a favor by not letting a Military Dictator like Kuvira conquer it. It's not like Everybody in the Earth Nation wanted Kuvira to be Leadar, Remamber how she eaither intimidated or conquerd towns so she could be in charge of them. It is not betrayle to realize that the Earth Nation dous't need the United Republic (wich according to it's page only hase elactricity probobly fishing and possibly farmland in other parts of the Republic). Do I think Baatar Jr should be punished yes but Not for trying to convince Kuvira to not take the Republic (that is the one good thing he has done since leaving Zaofu) He should be punished for helping Kuvira conquer and rule the Earth Nation with an Iron Fist. </div>I think there are fundamental differences in starting my and your worldview: I believe that regional leaders contribute to the separation of state and nation apart are criminals. You consider them heroes. I believe that if the state destroyed by chaos then labor mobilization is a necessary condition for rapid restoration of the economy. You think that the economy is in itself restore with the magical power of democracy. You think that between slavery and labor appeal there is no difference. I know that between the economic tools there is a huge difference. But Opal does not understand it and it's her problem and not Kuvira. You continue to invent some thousands of detained foreigners. Although they can not by definition be more than a few dozen. You think that there are only the national interests of the Republic. I believe that each nation has its own interests. You continue to ignore everything that was shown on the show. You have not forgotten that the superweapon exploded because of the actions of Korra and her friends? Again, a complete disregard for the facts. Kuvira pressed on rebel regional leaders rather than ordinary people. Or you confused about the warning statements against the government. I remind you that in any country actions against the government is a crime. Baatar Jr. and Korra just said about the only motive for his action. About Iron Fist is ridiculous. Conventional measures to restore order in the country which is burned in the flames of chaos you announcing tyranny. </div>Opal said that the Towns People were forced to work as Slave Labore. Also Opal would know sause she and the other Air Benders were going around trying to Stabalize the Earth Nation. Also I never even saw Kuvira or Baatar Jr denie what they were doing. Also most of the Nation was undere her controle but the Air Nation was still spread thine wich leaves me to belive that the Air Nation was also trying to help thous who were being opprased by Kuvira. I've said this before and I'll say this again Imprisoning thous of non Earth Nation ethnicity is Racisum and Racist's do Not make good leadars. Also people should not be sent to prison for exprasing thier opinon, Freedom of Speech is a Right Evarybody should have. Yes each Nation has an intrast and it would have been in the intrasts of the majority of the Earth Nation for Wu to be leader not Kuvira. Korra saved the city from being blasted apart by Kuvira. Also remamber non of that would have happend if Kuvira had't tryed to conquer the Republic (wich is not even part of the Earth Nation), The Empire did't even need to conquer the Republic in the 1st place. </div>Do you still have nothing but emotion. I can only repeat what has been said: Airbenders help was quite inadequate so explicitly stated in the show. Also do you really think that the dependence of one nation by another nation is a normal situation? Between slavery and labor service is a significant difference. And in some situations, it is a necessary measure. Yes you take a lot of people and sends them to build a road or field fortifications. Einstein and other scientists fled from Germany because of racism. These scientists pursued because of ethnicity. At the time of dating with Kuvira, Varrik was a criminal in Republic. Kuvira protected him from prosecution by the law of the Republic. On Freedom of Speech speech was not there. Again you say things that were not in the show. Kuvira demanded allegiance to the empire and to recognize the new government. And nothing more. It was entirely reasonable and justified (for the Earth Nation) requirement. Before the Ozai aggression all nations lived on their lands. After he was overthrown, on the territory deprived from the Earth Kingdom, a Republic was born, where different nations live together. But why would people living in a peaceful dynamically growing city go to the Earth Kingdom that’s already going to the bad stretch and displaying suspicions to aliens? How many of such people can be? I would assume, there’re no hordes of them and they are mostly young. That, plus the fact that such people can easily throw fireballs and arise huge tides, makes them very dangerous to the newborn country, a country just few month ago boiled in the anarchy chaos. Kuvira restore order. Kuvira created a state. Kuvira commanded the army. Kuira created this army. Kuvira led for a people. And she proved to be an excellent crisis manager. Prince all three years entertained at parties in a foreign country. Then came a state created by Kuvira and demanded power. His claim was supported by foreign leaders. Who should rule? If you just ignore the importance for the nation struggle against feudalism and separatism is your right. But Kuvira competent patriot. She understood the importance of such things. Republic also tried to manipulate the Earth Nation. This was admitted by Raiko. But for you, the idea of a puppet king and the clown at the head of the country which was burning in the flames of chaos is good and right. No, objectively it's a disaster for Earth Nation. </div> Tenzin said that the Air Nation would bring peice and balance to thous who need it and the Earth Nation needed it. Also it seemd to me like most of the new Airbenders were of Earth Nation decant so it's not like the Earth Nation was only relying on thous of another Nation. Also Opal (who has seen what's going on in the Earth Nation) would know. Kuvira protected Varrick cause she needed him to build her a super weapon. If Kuvira was't Racist Baraz and Ahnah and all the other people of non Earth Nation decant would not have been sent to her prison camps. And what happend to the towns that did't wan't to recognize Kuvira's new government, She conquerd them and when someone spoke aganst her mistreiting the towns pwople she sent them to her prison camps Wu may have not been perfict but he still would have been a way better leader then Kuvira. Wu did't enslave towns people or imprison others for haveing diffrant opinons then him and he is not a racist like Kuvira. Also Riko said he would send advisers to help with governing, dous that automaticly mean he want's to menipulate the Earth Kingdom. Wu would have done good as a King he had good leadership skills like when he got the City to evacuate or when he got the Badgermols to dig a tunnle so the rest of the citizens could reach safty when Kuvira started Blasting the city with her Weapon of Mass Distruction. Also Wu obviously cares for the Nation more then himeself as evadance when he decided to step down as king and abolish the Monarchy so that the States could remain indapandent and be governd by Democrocy.

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Dragonboy6491·2/10/2015

<div class="quote"> Wu may have not been perfict but he still would have been a way better leader then Kuvira. Wu did't enslave towns people or imprison others for haveing diffrant opinons then him and he is not a racist like Kuvira. </div>
Let me get this straight ... a prince with no credentials whatsoever is a better leader than a woman who dedicated three years of her life to successfully stabilizing the Earth Kingdom? All right then.

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Integer115·2/10/2015

<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Integer115 wrote:
<div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got chills watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their Furher, chanting "Heil Hitler". </div>
I think this is common in Asia. The japanese, for example, worshipped the Emperor like a god. And seeing as she treated Wu the same way we can see that the reason she did it was not because Hou Ting did something to deserve it, but because she was born in the royal family. It's like she think that just because of the situation of their births they are better than everyone else, like a god-like person.</div>To be fair, I think the Japanese royal family is supposed to be "descended" from the sun god Amaterasu, or something; which I think is where their divinity supposedly came from. Could be a similar situation with the Earth Kingdom's royal family. @Wolf 91: Just because a nation has natural resources doesn't mean it has a strong economy. Many third-world countries that are resource rich struggle to even match the output of the many great powers; it should be mentioned that many of those nations were former colonies of said great powers, and in some cases those nations should never have been created in the first place. I'm certain Kuvira knew the city was empty - being the paranoid, controlling person that she was by the end of the season, I don't see how she could not know. I mean, one of the largest cities in the world being evacuated as a foreign army was marching towards them? With the city clear, she was probably willing to take more risks - like firing that cannon blindly when the fight with Team Avatar started to get heated. The first time she opened fire on two or three dreadnoughts of the URN fleet; those are valid military targets. Just throwing that out. Would she have been willing to fire that cannon in a densely populated area to kill the Avatar? Judging by how she was willing to take out Bataar to achieve victory, it's certainly possible. So what if the Earth Nation only gave up a small portion of the continent? That's like saying "hey, since the United States only annexed the southern portion of Canada along the Great Lakes, it's okay, right?" - because it isn't; that's where the overwhelming majority of the population is at. Since the Fire Nation chose that land to colonize first, there's a good chance they chose that land for a reason (whether it be resources, natural harbors, a decent population to take advantage of, etc). You're still not looking at it from the aspect of an Earth Nation citizen, one that possibly grew up during the horrors of the Hundred Year War. Maybe they lost family to the Fire Nation - maybe they were attacked and have the scar to prove it. They hear that the Avatar returns, and when the war ends with victory for the Earth Kingdom, they expect that the Avatar will restore balance and expel the Fire Nation colonists and invaders from land that had rightfully been the Earth Kingdom's for thousands of years. Being the biased person that they are, they don't care about the welfare of the Fire Nation citizens living in a place like Yu Dao, because of the horrors they had experienced at the hands of said nation - especially when they heard that Ozai was planning on exterminating the people of the Earth Kingdom. They also don't care that by forcing them out of their new homes, they're destroying the lives of many Earth Nation and mixed ethnicity citizens that have reached a peaceful equilibrium within the colonies. Because that's what people do - they adapt to whatever situation the best way that they can. From their point of view - which is not entirely wrong - they have every right to be pissed. Imagine how many people in the Earth Kingdom must have felt cheated by Aang for siding with the Fire Nation colonists, even though they were the ones that started the war in the beginning. I guarantee you this was a popular feeling in the Earth Kingdom, following the founding of Republic City and leading up to the assassination of Hou-Ting. </div>Would't it seem odd that Kuvira's Earth Empire has a poor economy yet enough mony to fund an army and build a super weapon. The Empire did't seem like it hade too many economical issues. If that's true then why did't she attack in the two weeks to be sure that everyone hade evacuated. Also what about the other citys in the United Republic of Nations, we did't see them evacuate. First of all it seems to me like the Fire Nation Colonized that area because it was the peice of the continant that was closest to the Fire Nation. Also the only Earth Nation charecters who opposed the United Republic were Hou-Ting, Kuvira and Baatar Jr (3 people is not enough to say it's a common opinon among the Nation) and Baatar Jr himself even admited that the Earth Nation did't need the United Republic and can do just fine without. </div>Economy that can afford superweapon is the result of three years of work. Work for you for some reason think that Kuvira is the villain. Kuvira had not planned military operations in the city. She restored historical justice to her nation. Korra attacked the forces of the empire after the surrender of the city. She violated the terms of the armistice and caused devastation in the city. The nation no head or other parts of the body. For this reason, the will of the nation expresses the leader of the nation. Kuvira objectively is the leader of the nation. Baatar Jr. is a coward. He betrayed his officer's honor. He defeatist. Kuvira had every right to punish him for what he has disgraced the honor of an officer with calls to escape from the battlefield. Do you really think that a coward and a defeatist worthy of respect? </div>Of corse Kuvira is a villain look at what she did (Conquring States, Forcing Local Towns people into Slave Labore, Sending thous who are Not of Earth Kingdom Decant to Prison Camps, Naglacting both the Spirits and the Ecosystom just to build and Use a Super Weapon to Attack another Nation). No Kuvira cause devistation in the City by bringing her WMD to the Republic and blasting the whole City. Also Korra did the United Republic a favor by not letting a Military Dictator like Kuvira conquer it. It's not like Everybody in the Earth Nation wanted Kuvira to be Leadar, Remamber how she eaither intimidated or conquerd towns so she could be in charge of them. It is not betrayle to realize that the Earth Nation dous't need the United Republic (wich according to it's page only hase elactricity probobly fishing and possibly farmland in other parts of the Republic). Do I think Baatar Jr should be punished yes but Not for trying to convince Kuvira to not take the Republic (that is the one good thing he has done since leaving Zaofu) He should be punished for helping Kuvira conquer and rule the Earth Nation with an Iron Fist. </div>I think there are fundamental differences in starting my and your worldview: I believe that regional leaders contribute to the separation of state and nation apart are criminals. You consider them heroes. I believe that if the state destroyed by chaos then labor mobilization is a necessary condition for rapid restoration of the economy. You think that the economy is in itself restore with the magical power of democracy. You think that between slavery and labor appeal there is no difference. I know that between the economic tools there is a huge difference. But Opal does not understand it and it's her problem and not Kuvira. You continue to invent some thousands of detained foreigners. Although they can not by definition be more than a few dozen. You think that there are only the national interests of the Republic. I believe that each nation has its own interests. You continue to ignore everything that was shown on the show. You have not forgotten that the superweapon exploded because of the actions of Korra and her friends? Again, a complete disregard for the facts. Kuvira pressed on rebel regional leaders rather than ordinary people. Or you confused about the warning statements against the government. I remind you that in any country actions against the government is a crime. Baatar Jr. and Korra just said about the only motive for his action. About Iron Fist is ridiculous. Conventional measures to restore order in the country which is burned in the flames of chaos you announcing tyranny. </div>Opal said that the Towns People were forced to work as Slave Labore. Also Opal would know sause she and the other Air Benders were going around trying to Stabalize the Earth Nation. Also I never even saw Kuvira or Baatar Jr denie what they were doing. Also most of the Nation was undere her controle but the Air Nation was still spread thine wich leaves me to belive that the Air Nation was also trying to help thous who were being opprased by Kuvira. I've said this before and I'll say this again Imprisoning thous of non Earth Nation ethnicity is Racisum and Racist's do Not make good leadars. Also people should not be sent to prison for exprasing thier opinon, Freedom of Speech is a Right Evarybody should have. Yes each Nation has an intrast and it would have been in the intrasts of the majority of the Earth Nation for Wu to be leader not Kuvira. Korra saved the city from being blasted apart by Kuvira. Also remamber non of that would have happend if Kuvira had't tryed to conquer the Republic (wich is not even part of the Earth Nation), The Empire did't even need to conquer the Republic in the 1st place. </div>Do you still have nothing but emotion. I can only repeat what has been said: Airbenders help was quite inadequate so explicitly stated in the show. Also do you really think that the dependence of one nation by another nation is a normal situation? Between slavery and labor service is a significant difference. And in some situations, it is a necessary measure. Yes you take a lot of people and sends them to build a road or field fortifications. Einstein and other scientists fled from Germany because of racism. These scientists pursued because of ethnicity. At the time of dating with Kuvira, Varrik was a criminal in Republic. Kuvira protected him from prosecution by the law of the Republic. On Freedom of Speech speech was not there. Again you say things that were not in the show. Kuvira demanded allegiance to the empire and to recognize the new government. And nothing more. It was entirely reasonable and justified (for the Earth Nation) requirement. Before the Ozai aggression all nations lived on their lands. After he was overthrown, on the territory deprived from the Earth Kingdom, a Republic was born, where different nations live together. But why would people living in a peaceful dynamically growing city go to the Earth Kingdom that’s already going to the bad stretch and displaying suspicions to aliens? How many of such people can be? I would assume, there’re no hordes of them and they are mostly young. That, plus the fact that such people can easily throw fireballs and arise huge tides, makes them very dangerous to the newborn country, a country just few month ago boiled in the anarchy chaos. Kuvira restore order. Kuvira created a state. Kuvira commanded the army. Kuira created this army. Kuvira led for a people. And she proved to be an excellent crisis manager. Prince all three years entertained at parties in a foreign country. Then came a state created by Kuvira and demanded power. His claim was supported by foreign leaders. Who should rule? If you just ignore the importance for the nation struggle against feudalism and separatism is your right. But Kuvira competent patriot. She understood the importance of such things. Republic also tried to manipulate the Earth Nation. This was admitted by Raiko. But for you, the idea of a puppet king and the clown at the head of the country which was burning in the flames of chaos is good and right. No, objectively it's a disaster for Earth Nation. </div>Tenzin said that the Air Nation would bring peice and balance to thous who need it and the Earth Nation needed it. Also it seemd to me like most of the new Airbenders were of Earth Nation decant so it's not like the Earth Nation was only relying on thous of another Nation. Also Opal (who has seen what's going on in the Earth Nation) would know. Kuvira protected Varrick cause she needed him to build her a super weapon. If Kuvira was't Racist Baraz and Ahnah and all the other people of non Earth Nation decant would not have been sent to her prison camps. And what happend to the towns that did't wan't to recognize Kuvira's new government, She conquerd them and when someone spoke aganst her mistreiting the towns pwople she sent them to her prison camps Wu may have not been perfict but he still would have been a way better leader then Kuvira. Wu did't enslave towns people or imprison others for haveing diffrant opinons then him and he is not a racist like Kuvira. Also Riko said he would send advisers to help with governing, dous that automaticly mean he want's to menipulate the Earth Kingdom. Wu would have done good as a King he had good leadership skills like when he got the City to evacuate or when he got the Badgermols to dig a tunnle so the rest of the citizens could reach safty when Kuvira started Blasting the city with her Weapon of Mass Distruction. Also Wu obviously cares for the Nation more then himeself as evadance when he decided to step down as king and abolish the Monarchy so that the States could remain indapandent and be governd by Democrocy. </div> The show has been shown that people suffering from constant attacks of bandits and food shortages. A villager said that the right amount of airbenders is not enough. Tenzin has a maximum of 20-30 students. Do you think that this is enough for the whole continent? When Kuvira met Varrik, ideas about new energy was not. This came after three years of their joint work. But you can always ignore the facts. If the rebellious lord refuses to submit to the supreme authority of his feud is taken by storm. That's how all states to overcome feudal fragmentation. And what's interesting - all states unity went only benefit. That is the person who saved the nation from destruction and revive its strength and greatness of a bad leader. And man who threw his nation to fend for themselves and then gave her the benefit of another nation is a good leader. If you really think so then I have no words. Your logic is beyond my comprehension. The division of the nation is a tragedy that will not be corrected with democracy. For Real. O tempora! O mores!

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Supermensch·2/10/2015

Okay, I have to ask: Why do you guys keep copying huge mounds of each other's text?

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What do you think?