<div class="quote"><i>Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Weltall8000 wrote:
Well I never heard that the creators confirm that Opal and the other's were wrong about Kuvira.By that same token, I never heard that the creators confirmed that Opal and the others were right about Kuvira, on a number of the accusations you level against her. <p>But would't you wan't to clame your innocance cause most (if not all) people would claim thier innocance if accused of something they did't do. </p><p>It would depend on the circumstances for me. If someone is so pissed off at me that whatever they believe about me seems true to them, but I'd be unable to convince them otherwise, I very well not even bother trying to deny the claim, as it would be futile, I'd probably brush them off, much like Kuvira does to some of her detractors. Particularly when I believe the person is beneath me and what they think won't really affect me, I'm that much more likely to disregard the accusation. Now, I do enjoy debate, but if it's clear the person is just throwing claims at me to try and attack me, hence it isn't even remotely a logical debate, I'm more prone to do this. </p><p>She did kinda confess the Slavery to Bolin in Enamy at the Gates when they returnd from talking with the Metal Clan and it was also shown that she was Racist when she was imprisoning non Earth Nation citizens. Also she obviously cares nothing for human life evadanced by when she thrated Varrick's life for not building a super weapon a when she attack a city that hade alot of homes with that weapon and when She was going to Kill her fieance Baatar Jr even thou he has always helped and support her Just to Kill Korra so what else can she be cabable of. </p><p>I'm familiar with the scene you're probably referencing and I rewatched it prior to my last response, no, Kuvira doesn't. </p><p>We've been over this, it wasn't clear racism, which then begs the question why she has Varrick (Water Nation) and Bolin (half breed) in her inner circle. If she's so racist that she'll risk political backlash and international alienation, why include those members into the highest levels of her organization, again, since she's (according to you) so racist? </p><p>Comes down to the whole "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." If faced with being able to sacrifice one person to prevent potentially thousands more from dying, I'm pretty on board. </p><p>If you want to bring that up about Varrick, Raiko was willing to do the same thing, only he was stopped by his allies with threats that they would pull out support from him. He only didn't do it because he wasn't able to. </p><p>Your sentences aren't really making much sense at this point, so I'm just going to assume what I think you mean. </p><p>When Kuvira attacked (and it was on a mostly evacuated city), it was after they refused a surrender and after they captured a diplomat during negotiations, URN broke numerous standard protocols in what is allowed in war by our world's modern rules for international conflict. If you want to apply our world's morals to theirs, URN/Korra did the bad things there. </p><p>If Kuvira killed Korra there, she'd have destroyed the URN's WMD, since you're so anti WMD, it would seem like this would be a good thing by your reasoning. </p><p>The Avatar is not a Weapon of Mass Distruction and she is not just doing what the URN wanted she (like all the other Avatars) douls what She can to bring Balalnc to All the Nations. </p><p>And this is simply another point where you're wrong. Korra straight up overpowered a head on confrontation with the spirit cannon while tied to spirit vines for effectively infinite power supply. The Avatar has shown the most powerful feats of strength ever in Universe, no human, spirit, or weapon has ever topped the best showings of the Avatar. If the Colossus' spirit cannon is a WMD, effectively, so is the Avatar. </p><p>Hmm, she was working on behalf of the URN and to its benefit, so, yes, yes she was. </p><p>The Avatars haven't really demonstrated much effectiveness to that end and have conflicting means with which they try to do this, for instance, Roku wanted them all totally separate, Aang wanted them to unite. And why is this even "they way it should be?" How is this "balanced" outside of some arbitrary organization? Why should they be "balanced?" </p><p>That's because United Republice was being run by corrupt councel members like Tarrlok. But Riko listand when other's told him not to, Kuvira did't also yes devaloping spirit weapons is wrong but remamber Riko's Nation was in danger and when people feel thier home's or familys are in danger they can be willing to do drastic things. But Kuvira was not trying to protect anyone she just wanted a weapon of Mass Distruction just to conquer another Nation.  </p><p>Which, really does nothing to change the fact. </p><p>Raiko listened, because they were threatening to pull support and further weaken him. He still wanted to do it, just he didn't have the means to. </p><p>Why is it wrong to develop spirit weapons? And if so, Raiko wanted to. Intent matters. </p><p>So, when Raiko believes his nation is in danger due to internal or external threats, he's good to do whatever he wants, even if it is inherently evil by your standards, but when Kuvira's in such a situation, you don't give her carte blanche? Nice double standard. </p><p>Raiko wanted a WMD to destroy the person who threw a wrench in his plan to control the Earth Nation. </p><p>She believes the land belongs to her nation, she believed was protecting her nation. </p><p>The United Republic did't steal Land the Earth Nation gave it to them. The United Republic of Nations is it's own seprat country. </p><p>What a surprise, you didn't really address the point. </p><p>Also, you're okay with others breaking their agreements, yet, you condemn Kuvira for breaking an agreement she never agreed to, which really was basically saying "we're allowing you to keep some of the land you stole from us, because we're exhausted from war." </p><p>The Earth Queen didn't acknoweldge it and Kuvira didn't. Kuvira's Earth Empire wasn't recognized as sovereign, so, why should she acknowledge the URN's claim to the ancestral Earth Nation land? </p><p>Just because some people support you daus't realy mean what your doing is right. Thier are people who support Adolf Hitler but Hitler was a monster. Also if Kuvira was so well loved by everyone then why did she have to conquer many towns. </p><p>Who decides what is? More people? Few people with power and influence? </p><p>Nice invocation of Godwin's Law. </p><p>Because the strong can thrive in anarchy. Many don't like being ruled, people with power tend not to like to lose it. The bandits were free to take what they wanted and do anything they felt like. Why would they want to go back to order? </p><p>Also, some food for thought, why did the URN support her doing this all the way up until Wu's coronation? </p><p>I don't see how their was going to be a puppet government, Wu was a part of the Royal Family and he has the potantil to be a good world learder for his Nation as shown when He got the people of Republic City to evacuate, when he got the Badgermoles to dig a tunnle so everyone can escape Kuvira and he obviously care alot for his people as shown when he abolished the monarchy so that the Earth Nation can be indapantant stats with Damocaticly elatted leaders wich Mako and Avatar Korra bot supported. </p><p>Not surprising, seeing as you have difficulty grasping even simple concepts. </p><p>Sooooooooooo heredity = good leadership potential? Fun. That explains the Earth Queen. >.> </p><p>How does that demonstrate good leadership (particularly noting how ineffective he actually was at it (what, 8 or 18 families out of a huge metropolis?)), much less translating to this at a national level? </p><p>He didn't even really understand politics in the first place and wanted to be a singer anyways. This does not demonstrate leadership ability or really even caring about the position or the people he'd have been serving. </p><p>Korra, Opal, Suyin and the rest of the Bafongs, The Air Nation and the United Republic of Nations are not Evil Kuvira and her Earth Empire are evil. Su did not try to kill Kuvira untill Kuvira decided to attack Zaofu, thier is nothing wrong with someone wanting to protect thier home. Same go's for the Air and United republic of Nations. Come on Kuvira already had enough land how many more people had to die befor she was satisfied already.  </p><p>Why? Because you say so? Well, I say the opposite, there. </p><p>Kuvira tried to negotiate, Suyin refused. Kuvira allowed for a temporary truce, Suyin tried to assassinate her during it. Yes, <i>Kuvira's</i> the evil one. >.> </p><p>Okay, if there is nothing wrong with one wanting to protect their home, then your entire argument against Kuvira is invalid. As her entire MO was to defend her home, the Earth Nation. </p><p>Air Nation wasn't defending its home, it was defending the URN, not Air Nation territory. </p><p>She has the largest population of any nation, and she wanted to reclaim land that was originally Earth Nation's, why is that "enough land," because you just arbitrarily say so? Okay, so if I come and annex your yard and living room, when you complain about it, I get to tell you to stfu, citing that you already have enough room to live? You wouldn't have any problems with that. </p> </i></div>
Opal is a kind honest person she would lie about someone just because she was't a fan of them. Also the Air Nation was spread thine even thou most of the Nation was under Kuvira's controle wich says to me that the Airbenders were also trying to help the towns that Kuvira was opprasing. <p>Kuvira did't denie it to Bolin remamber when she told him he would have to accapt "Hard Truths". </p><p>If I hade to guss I'd say maby Kuvira was keeping Bolin and Varrick around cause she felt she could still use them, She kept forcing Varrick to build a Super Weapon cause she thout he was the only one who could do so. Also she tryed to get Bolin to help convinve Su to turn over Zaofu so I think she made an exaption for him cause she thout he could be of use to purswade the Metal Clan. If Kuvira was't racist she would't have been imprisoning people for not being of Earth Nation Ethnicity. </p><p>Killing Baatar Jr just to conquer Republic City and the rest of the United Republic dous't save other people. Kuvira and Baatar could have just gone home and injoyed ruling the Earth Empire with an Iron Fiste, They did't even need to take the United Republic. Takeing another Nation that you don't even need is not an excuse to kill someone who loved you so much.  </p><p>But he Still did't do it. Also Protecting and Conquring are Not the same thing. </p><p>Yes but they did thous things cause they did't wan't thier homes and people to be conquerd, also Republic city was mostly evacuated but what about the rest of the Republic (cause from what I know the United Republic of Nations is not just one big City) and why did't Kuvira wait until everyone has evacuated the City so no innocants were hurt. Also what Team Avatar did by kidnapping Baatar Jr was not as bad as Kuvira brakeing human right's laws. </p><p>Avatars do what they feel is best for the world (some of them just have diffrant ideas as to what's best) Also Korra (all Avatars for that Matter) is a person Not a weapon and she dous't act in the intrast's of the Republic she dou's what she can to help the Whole World. By they way I'm not exactly aganst WMD's I just don't like the idea of them being used on innocant people. </p><p>Anarchy is not good for anyone cause without laws Murders and Rapists and other kinds of danguras Crimanals can run aroud doing what thay wan't. Like I said if Kuvira was loved by everyone she would't have needed to conquer thous towns (by the way who's Godwin). </p><p>Besides Kuvira and Hou-Ting (and Baatar Jr brifly) No other people of the Earth Nation was upset about the United Republic being it's own Nation so it's probobly not that common.   </p><p>Because she was the only one reuniting the Earth Nation and everybody thout that once she stepped down all her tyrinny would have ended. </p><p>Wu is able to motavate the People into evacuating Republic City and When Kuvira attacked he was able to keep a clear head and think of a claver idea (using badgermoles to dig a tunnle) wich are singhs of being a good leader. Also the Reason he abolished the Monarchy so the Earth States could be indapandent and have democrocy was Because he thout everyone in the Earth Nation would be happyer with that and I did't hear anyone oppose that idea in fact Korra (who as the Avatar dou's what she can to help the world) and Mako both agreed with Wu's idea to better the Nation. </p><p>Kuvira did try to negotiat but when the Bafongs said No Kuvira said she would attack the City. Su was going to assasinate Kuvira cause once 24 hours were up Kuvira would attack the Metal Clan (thier is nothing wrong with someone doing what they can to protect thier home). </p><p>How is enslaving, persicuting, Conquring an indapandent town and then another Nation "Protecting" a Country. Also Air Tempal Island was part of the Republic and Kuvira was a threat to the who world. That's why the other worl leaders were discussing what to do about what Kuvira was doing. </p> </div> <p>She's just an emotional girl who has no evidence of slavery. </p><p>Airbenders could not control the situation throughout the Earth Kingdom. It has been shown inshow. Also the dependence of one nation by another nation is a tragedy for those who depend. </p><p>She does not have to justify to anyone. </p><p>Labor conscription in the country that the destruction of chaos is normal. </p><p>She hired Varrik for a long time before the idea of a superweapon and you know it. but you ignore this fact. Baatar Jr. will finish superweapon. </p><p>If the city begins epidemic, and it is closed to quarantine, it should be your logic man who gave such an order hates the people of this city. You make a judgment relying exclusively on clichés. </p><p>Economic growth = growth of human well-being. And to get rid of the strongest enemies is a gift of fate. </p><p>And why are you so often mention tournament of Tekken? </p><p>She went immediately to the capital in order to avoid unnecessary casualties. </p><p>People have a right not to be robbed and killed by bandits. Kuvira defended is their right. People have a right to live in a strong and rich state. Kuvira defended this right. People have a right to be protected from people who want to deprive them of these rights. Kuvira defended this right. </p><p>Avatar can feel anything. But he was not allowed to know better the people from his decision or not. Kyoshi's decision deprived the Earth Nation forces. Roku frozen conflict solution but not eliminate it. Aang's decision to protect one side (republic) and wounded the other side (kingdom), but Kuei was too naive and stupid to understand it. </p><p>Anarchy is a consequence of the collapse of state institutions. Also, if you do not understand the economic factors that suggest you first think about them. And only then make judgments. </p><p>I have already proved to you that the term tyrant that you are constantly repeating a false term. It has no relationship to Kuvira. </p><p>The ability to entertain the animals ≠ the ability to manage the fragmented country. </p><p>If all the provinces of the empire became independent Valid is a disaster for the nation. And how do you Korra will solve macroeconomic problems? </p><p>For the feudal lords that's fine. It's a shame for the Patriots. </p><p>Yes to the leaders of other nations would benefit from deprived forces and torn to pieces by the Earth Nation. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>McJediProbie wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote: <p>McJediProbie: </p><p>This may be a different thing, but before dying didn't the king Robert Baratheon made Eddard Stark write his will naming his son as the king? Or the will was for making Ned the king until Joffrey had the age to rule instead of someone else, like his mother? </p> </i></div>
It's been a while since I've read it, but if I remember correctly he was naming Ned regent to rule in Joffrey's name until Joffrey came of age.  Joffrey would still technically be king, but Ned would be exercising royal authority on his behalf.  Of course, this isn't really the best example since legally neither Robert nor Joffrey could be legitimate kings, but that's a discussion for a different wiki. </div> <p>That's what i said. But since he was crowned doesn't that make him the legitimate king? The king should have the power to ignore the line and just nominate someone that's not the first in the sucession. I think this may have happened in china, a father chosing the younger brother instead of the older one and they fought over it. I'm think kings have the power to do that, and if they don't they do it regardless and people just ignore it. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">McJediProbie wrote:
<div class="quote">SaitamaBro wrote: <p>McJediProbie: </p><p>This may be a different thing, but before dying didn't the king Robert Baratheon made Eddard Stark write his will naming his son as the king? Or the will was for making Ned the king until Joffrey had the age to rule instead of someone else, like his mother? </p> </i></div>
It's been a while since I've read it, but if I remember correctly he was naming Ned regent to rule in Joffrey's name until Joffrey came of age.  Joffrey would still technically be king, but Ned would be exercising royal authority on his behalf.  Of course, this isn't really the best example since legally neither Robert nor Joffrey could be legitimate kings, but that's a discussion for a different wiki.</div>That's what i said. But since he was crowned doesn't that make him the legitimate king? The king should have the power to ignore the line and just nominate someone that's not the first in the sucession. I think this may have happened in china, a father chosing the younger brother instead of the older one and they fought over it. I'm think kings have the power to do that, and if they don't they do it regardless and people just ignore it.</div> <p>Not all monarchies follow <i>primogeniture</i> - which is when the eldest child inherits the throne; ex: if Hou-Ting had a son, who had survived, he would have been the heir to the throne, and not Wu. </p><p>The Polish-Lithuanian monarchy was elective - the <i>Sejim</i> (sp?) elected the monarch, but the process was hampered by the nobility; they had an unfortunate habit of putting foreign monarchs in power since they didn't trust each other, and if one member of the parliament disagreed with everyone else, his <i>one</i> veto could wreck everything. The Holy Roman Empire was elective, too - when the electoral system was established in... 1356?... there were seven electors, of which three were theocracies (Mainz, Colonge, and Trier) and four were normal monarchies (Brandenburg, Saxony, the Palatinate, and Bohemia). The Emperor didn't really have any power, and by the Thirty Years War, the Empire had become little more than an extra title for the Hapsburgs.  </p><p>Some Celtic traditions - I think called tanistry - let the monarch pick his sucessor as they saw fit. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Bersarker: Why would Kuvira want to conquer the Fire Nation? Except to have the revenge for their invasion during the Hundred Years War.</i></div>
<p>Well, if she is a power-hungry dictator hell-bent on world conquest, she won't stop with the URN. Republic City's port would be an excellent place to gather her forces for an amphibious invasion of the Fire Nation home islands.  </p><p>Moral implications aside, there are plenty of reasons why she would want to conquer the world, like ending all possible threats to her Empire's existence, increasing the wealth of her nation, etc. Same reasoning the Fire Nation had 70 years prior.  </p><p>I honestly don't know if she would have wanted to continue, because she might have stopped with RC. However, even if she had taken the city, that means the Fire Nation would be vulnerable to an invasion - and it would have lost one of its strongest allies.  </p>

<p>So it actually depends on the type of monarchy? What would be the EK one then? In the politics page it says it's a Confederate Constitutional Monarchy, but i can't find anything about it. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>SaitamaBro wrote:
So it actually depends on the type of monarchy? What would be the EK one then? In the politics page it says it's a Confederate Constitutional Monarchy, but i can't find anything about it.</i></div>
<p>Confederate implies confederation - basically, all the states have varying degrees of autonomy and power, in relation to the central government; that's why Omashu is allowed to have its own king, even though the Earth King is the ruler of the entire country. Look up the Holy Roman Empire about... half-way through its history if you want an idea of what its like. Or you can compare the government of the Confederate States of America to that of the United States of America. </p><p>Constitutional implies there's a constitution - a document or set of rules that the monarch is bound to uphold, and cannot break. They also tend to have other govermental bodies like parliaments, which are elected people who really run the country. Almost every modern monarchy today is "constitutional", like Britain, Spain, the Netherlands, Japan, etc.  </p><p>Which is strange, because the Earth Kingdom does not seem like it's "constitutional"; more like a confederated limited monarchy, something like that. Honestly, under Hou-Ting, it seems more like an absolute monarchy - where the ruler's word is law - because she seems to be doing what ever the hell she wants.  </p><p>EDIT: </p><p>Since Hou-Ting directly followed her father, I'm assuming a <i>primogeniture</i> succession law, with <i>agnatic-cognatic</i> property rights; ex: women can inherit if there are no available male heirs. I don't see them being <i>absolute cognatic</i> like the Fire Nation - women inheriting on equal grounds as men. Seems too... progressive for a regime like the Earth Kingdom. </p>

<p>Maybe she does have a constitution but she does whatever she wants and people are too afraid or treat her like some kind of divine being(like Bolin's grandmother, there must be more people like her) to do something about it. </p><p>EDIT: Didn't the Roman Empire had a internal fight because of this? I think it was the Bizantine or Constantine. It seems really hard to keep control when you divide your power with another monarch, even if he is supposed to be under you. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>SaitamaBro wrote:
Maybe she does have a constitution but she does whatever she wants and people are too afraid or treat her like some kind of divine being(like Bolin's grandmother, there must be more people like her) to do something about it.</i></div>
<p>Maybe so. Kuei seems like the kind of guy that might be willing to grant some sort of constitution, however after his years of being left out of... well, <i>everything</i>, I imagine he wanted to take a very hands-on approach to governing his nation. That would imply that he would support a government where his word is final, and ultimate. Which could explain why Hou-Ting is as unchallenged as she is. </p><p>But yeah, that brainwashing and blind faith some of her subjects had in her? I got <i>chills</i> watching... Yin?... kowtow to the Queen's portait. Like, it creeped me out, that level of unquestioning devotion to her sovereign, even though we know how horrible she is. That's like those old newsreels of German kids saluting a portait of their <i>Furher,</i> chanting "Heil Hitler".  </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Bersarker wrote:
<div class="quote">CommanderZeta wrote:
Opal doesn't have to be lying, because I don't think she would either - she just has to be wrong; whether it be through misinformation or her being lied to.  <p>You seem to be equating forced labor to slavery. Making people work to earn their right to eat during a time of crisis when food and comforts are hard to come by is not slavery. Nor is it like there are slave drivers walking amongst them cracking whips and shouting racial slurs. Incidentally, different cultures had varying degrees/forms of slavery - pretty sure slaves in Rome were <i>much </i>better off and had more rights than slaves in the United States. Doesn't make slavery any less evil, but the world is not as cut-and-dry as you make it out to be. </p><p>The Air Nation's efforts - while amazing - are too little to stabilize an entire country that has imploded. The Air Nation - at most - comprises maybe a few dozen to fifty benders, plus the various acolytes that have taken up the philosophies and teachings of the former Air Nomads. Something tells me that the Air Nation wasn't needed in the territories Kuvira took, judging from how easily she aleviated the problems of the province we saw in episode one. I doubt her troops would have banned them, since that would be negative publicity; this is before Kuvira really started to go nuts, so I assume in the beginning her provisional government was working alongside the Air Nation to help the Earth Nation. </p><p>Alright. You can't seem to comprehend the simple fact that locking people up based on certain characteristics doesn't always equate to racism. Is it often the case that it's done due to racism? Yes. President Roosevelt signed the order to intern Japanese-Americans during WWII - was he racist? No, I don't think he was, since I've never heard anything about him being racist. Being crippled with polio probably gave him a unique perspective, in regard to discrimination. The government gave into paranoia and racist undercurrents - which did certainly exist - and decided to lock them up to be safe. What did they do when the war ended? The U.S. let them go free.  </p><p>It was a travesty of freedom and justice, just like what Kuvira did. We have seen <i>no </i>signs of her or Bataar being racist. <i>None</i>. If anything, she gave into popular opinion or felt that they weren't trustworthy enough, so she locked them up to be safe. She did the same thing with anyone who spoke out against her. Horrible to do, but she did it to maintain order. Considering that it had only been a few years prior that the nation fell apart completely, she isn't taking chances. Can't blame her for that. </p><p>Attacking Republic City was wrong - I think it was wrong. There are good reasons to attack it, and bad reasons to attack it. I believe the bad outweigh the good. Kuvira should have stopped with the Earth Nation, but she didn't. She overextended and got her ass kicked.  </p><p>Korra is awesome. I like her, quite a bit. She is a person. She's also the most powerful being in the world, and she can not only block the blast from a spirit-nuke, but she can <i>create a damn spirit portal</i>. Aang - when merged with the Ocean Spirit - <i>annihilated </i>the Fire Nation's entire invasion force when they attacked the Northern Water Tribe. Roku tore down the <i>entire </i>Fire Nation Royal Palace and tried to put the fear of god into Sozin. Kyoshi <i>created </i>her own island by ripping it off of the mainland. <i>That</i>, is an insane degree of power that the Avatar wields.  </p><p>The Avatar is a human. The Avatar is also a weapon - a weapon of mass destruction, one that can force entire nations to submit and alter the course of the world. As it so happens, Korra sided with Republic City, not only because she felt like it was the right thing to do, but because her friends and potential love interest weren't about to abandon their home. And if Republic City was going to fall to Kuvira, then that means the Fire Nation  - which is right next door - will be threatened. </p><p>That's how international politics works.  </p><p>The fact that Kuvira and Bataar - characters who had <i>never </i>shown even the slightest of interest of conquering Republic City before they went nuts - decided to attack something they knew could make or break their empire, shows that <i>obviously</i> more people held that belief than them. If it was as unpopular as you think, why didn't more people in her empire protest?  </p><p>It's exactly like Germany after World War I - they lost land they felt they had the right to, and after so much chaos, strife, and instability, they now had the ability to do something. To right the wrongs of the last war. The people wanted it, so Kuvira gave it to them. Somewhere along the line, she and Bataar may have even started to believe it.  </p><p>Of course she would have had to annex the towns! Not only was she following the orders given to her by <i>Raiko </i>of all people, but many of those towns were being run by local warlords who were taking advantage of the chaos. We saw one - <i>one</i> - example of a town resisting Kuvira's attempt to unify the nation. Judging from the reaction of the leader, we can assume that some of the provinces were also didn't join willingly, but we don't know how many. Besides, it was some small rural town that probably had so little in common with the Earth Kingdom that when the had the opportunity for independence, they took it. Some of Kuvira's reputation is deserved, some of it is probably propaganda designed to make her look bad.  </p><p>You can't judge the entire situation based on the reaction of <i>one </i>province to Kuvira. We don't have the whole picture - and until we do - this argument is invalid.  </p><p>Just because Wu can calm some people down doesn't make him a leader - at least, it doesn't make him qualified to run a country. Qualified to be the symbol of a country to raise morale? Sure. Qualified to manage the finances of a nation and lead its armies? Hardly. He abolished the monarchy only after he got major character development, realized that he really didn't want to be king (and that he had no business being king), and after spending a great deal of time in Republic City; that's not even counting the progressive ideas and attitudes he picked up from Team Avatar.  </p><p>Of course they agreed with him; he had no business ruling a country. Considering the disasters that had been Hou-Ting and Kuvira, democracy was really the only way to go.  </p><p>Suyin and her kids did what anyone would have done to protect their home. Doesn't make it any less cowardly, nor does it make the fact that she broke a cease-fire with Kuvira and attempted to kill her in her sleep - which is a <i>really</i> bad thing to do; when she failed, it was much worse because she had lost the moral high-ground and was caught attempting to kill the woman who had saved the Earth Nation from civil war. Had she waited until morning and fought Kuvira on the field, she could have maintained her dignity - possibly even won, since Kuvira has a flair for the dramatic and likely would have fought Suyin one-on-one.  </p><p>For starters, it's called a "preemptive strike"; attack the enemy first, in one quick move so that the threat has been eliminated. Republic City presented a threat - or at the very least, could at some point become a threat - to the Earth Empire, so Kuvira attacked it. I've mentioned <i>many</i> times that there are valid reasons to conquer the URN, other than the whole "it's my land and I want it back" argument. I don't feel like explaining them again. </p><p>Since Air Temple Island was a part of the Air Nation, she could have left it alone during the invasion - since it was sovereign territory of another country. Then again, since both the Air Nation and the Fire Nation had offered explicit support to the URN, she might have been willing to attack it; I mean, at some point it was Earth Kingdom land, which means they have as much "claim" to it as they do Republic City.  </p><p>Obviously Kuvira was a theat to world security, there's no debating that. Had she stayed on her side of the border, then she would have proven them wrong - and this whole mess would be a lot clearer.  </p> </i></div>
Why would Kuvira want to conquer the Fire Nation? Except to have the revenge for their invasion during the Hundred Years War. </div> <p>I would't have been suprised if she tryed to conquer the whole world. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Bersarker wrote: <span style="font-style:italic;">Why would Kuvira want to conquer the Fire Nation? Except to have the revenge for their invasion during the Hundred Years War.</span></i></div>
I would't have been suprised if she tryed to conquer the whole world. </div> <p>There is nothing that would indicate her desire to go beyond the territorial limits of the Earth Nation. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Integer115 wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Wolf 91 wrote:
<div class="quote">Bersarker wrote: <span style="font-style:italic;">Why would Kuvira want to conquer the Fire Nation? Except to have the revenge for their invasion during the Hundred Years War.</span></i></div>
I would't have been suprised if she tryed to conquer the whole world. </div> <p>There is nothing that would indicate her desire to go beyond the territorial limits of the Earth Nation. </p> </div> <p>She might not have wanted to claim anything beyond the Earth Continent as part of her Empire's territory, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't want to punish the Fire Nation for the 100-Year War or impose her nation's agenda on the other nations. She could've pressured the other nations to disarm themselves and/or demanded them to pay an annual tribute in exchange for peaceful relations, for example. </p>