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ALL POSTSSpoilers - Feeling bad for the Red Lotus?
<p>I'm warning for the second time that this topic is going to contain spoilers.
</p><p>Okay, so we can all see that the Avatar series isn't what it use to be. The series kind of grew with us in a sense, so we're seeing things directed to a more mature crowd. But I was wondering if anyone felt bad for either P'Li's, Ming-Hua's, or Ghazan's deaths? Personally, I wouldn't care for Zaheer, considering he was ringleader and all, but I feel like the rest of them were just lost.
</p><p>Edit: Not to mention I felt bad for Ming-Hua mostly, but only because she doesn't have arms. When Korra smashed her with that rock and she hit was wall I remembered going, "aw". But that shouldn't matter, because with or without arms she's still pretty deadly, lol.
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<div class="quote"><i>Kyba wrote:
<div class="quote">~Boggy B~ wrote:
Also, although I show no sympathy for those 3 Red Lotus members, I admit that P'Li's death was the most brutal/gruesome. Just imagine the mess that was made after her death.</i></div>
Yeah, as grusome, as it would sound, there would be a smattering of blood everywhere... <p>Although, she does explode things with her mind, so I guess it would just be her head exloding, followed by the contents of her head and neck splashed out, with the shrapnel from armour. Very gory and grusome and quite nauseating to imagine. </p> </div> <p>I could imagine... But since it's a cartoon it can't be too nauseating. I've seen real images of gore, yet it didn't make me feel nauseous at all for some reason. I'm not very sensitive. </p>
<div class="quote">~Boggy B~ wrote:
Also, although I show no sympathy for those 3 Red Lotus members, I admit that P'Li's death was the most brutal/gruesome. Just imagine the mess that was made after her death.</i></div>
Yeah, as grusome, as it would sound, there would be a smattering of blood everywhere... <p>Although, she does explode things with her mind, so I guess it would just be her head exloding, followed by the contents of her head and neck splashed out, with the shrapnel from armour. Very gory and grusome and quite nauseating to imagine. </p> </div> <p>I could imagine... But since it's a cartoon it can't be too nauseating. I've seen real images of gore, yet it didn't make me feel nauseous at all for some reason. I'm not very sensitive. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>AtkaSura wrote:
I love Avatar because it tends to humanize the villains and stick to the mantra of "'bad guys' are people too." Random Fire Nation soldiers/Equalists/unnamed Red Lotus members having normal interactions, Azula completely breaking down, the Earth Kingdom Soldiers that captured Korra, even showing Ozai's baby picture. Zaheer and crew showed that they cared for eachother, that their time in prison was hell (talking about how they spent their days), and made us connect to them. Made us think "if only they didn't follow such extreme ideology, they could do such good for the world/actually be friends with our protagonists." And that's what makes Avatar so great!</i></div>
<p>Well, Vaatu isn't like the other villains at all. He's made of pure evil and darkness and is a very otherworldly being. He cares for nothing and loathes all humans. He appears to be omnipotent. That's why he's my favorite villain in the entire series so far. He's not just another human being such as Ozai, he is an apocalyptic embodiment of chaos and discord. Just my opinion, I like the other villains too, and I still do agree with you. I just like it better when the villain of a game/show/whatever is not just a normal human being and is someone/something more powerful, or perhaps supernatural. </p>
I love Avatar because it tends to humanize the villains and stick to the mantra of "'bad guys' are people too." Random Fire Nation soldiers/Equalists/unnamed Red Lotus members having normal interactions, Azula completely breaking down, the Earth Kingdom Soldiers that captured Korra, even showing Ozai's baby picture. Zaheer and crew showed that they cared for eachother, that their time in prison was hell (talking about how they spent their days), and made us connect to them. Made us think "if only they didn't follow such extreme ideology, they could do such good for the world/actually be friends with our protagonists." And that's what makes Avatar so great!</i></div>
<p>Well, Vaatu isn't like the other villains at all. He's made of pure evil and darkness and is a very otherworldly being. He cares for nothing and loathes all humans. He appears to be omnipotent. That's why he's my favorite villain in the entire series so far. He's not just another human being such as Ozai, he is an apocalyptic embodiment of chaos and discord. Just my opinion, I like the other villains too, and I still do agree with you. I just like it better when the villain of a game/show/whatever is not just a normal human being and is someone/something more powerful, or perhaps supernatural. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>GravityQueen wrote:
It's kinda ironic, considering SSBM and P'Li both got blown up...</i></div>
<p>I think the word is "redundant."
</p><p>Also, in the case of P'Li, there's the more-than-slightly skeevy fridging aspect of it in light of Zaheer unlocking flight less than a minute later. </p>
It's kinda ironic, considering SSBM and P'Li both got blown up...</i></div>
<p>I think the word is "redundant."
</p><p>Also, in the case of P'Li, there's the more-than-slightly skeevy fridging aspect of it in light of Zaheer unlocking flight less than a minute later. </p>
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<p>Best case scenario for P'li: Part of her face is blown up and she's rewarded with a scar for eternity.
</p><p>Worst case scenario: The word "Bloodworks" comes to use.
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<div class="quote"><i>Supermensch wrote:
<div class="quote">GravityQueen wrote:
It's kinda ironic, considering SSBM and P'Li both got blown up...</i></div>
By their own blasts no less. Forget kinda, that's about as ironic as it gets. <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Walkingdeadfanatic wrote:
I felt however that they really censored P'Li's death, I mean Shuyien throws her metal armor to her head, just as P'Li was about to combust, we see her head glow red, then it cuts to Zaheer shouting her name. Kinda wanted to see an actual explosian like with combustion man.</i></div>
The explosion would've been smothered since it was completely contained within Suyin's armor. There wouldn't have been much more to see than the smoke that we saw on-screen. Though I was kinda bothered that we didn't get to hear any smothered-explosion-inside-metal-shell sound. <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>JuniperAlien wrote:
Not to mention I felt bad for Ming-Hua mostly, but only because she doesn't have arms.</i></div>
I dunno if you should feel so bad; she has prosthetic arms that are more versatile and more powerful than the normal deal. And she can add extra ones at will! She's not disabled, she's <i>super</i>abled. </div> <p>Yeah I guess your right how it would've been smothered, but I also gotta remember that this show is pretty much a kid's show, and they can't really show a lot of people dying, especially the way P'Li died. </p>
<div class="quote">GravityQueen wrote:
It's kinda ironic, considering SSBM and P'Li both got blown up...</i></div>
By their own blasts no less. Forget kinda, that's about as ironic as it gets. <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Walkingdeadfanatic wrote:
I felt however that they really censored P'Li's death, I mean Shuyien throws her metal armor to her head, just as P'Li was about to combust, we see her head glow red, then it cuts to Zaheer shouting her name. Kinda wanted to see an actual explosian like with combustion man.</i></div>
The explosion would've been smothered since it was completely contained within Suyin's armor. There wouldn't have been much more to see than the smoke that we saw on-screen. Though I was kinda bothered that we didn't get to hear any smothered-explosion-inside-metal-shell sound. <p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>JuniperAlien wrote:
Not to mention I felt bad for Ming-Hua mostly, but only because she doesn't have arms.</i></div>
I dunno if you should feel so bad; she has prosthetic arms that are more versatile and more powerful than the normal deal. And she can add extra ones at will! She's not disabled, she's <i>super</i>abled. </div> <p>Yeah I guess your right how it would've been smothered, but I also gotta remember that this show is pretty much a kid's show, and they can't really show a lot of people dying, especially the way P'Li died. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Dashie12345 wrote:
Best case scenario for P'li: Part of her face is blown up and she's rewarded with a scar for eternity. <p>Worst case scenario: The word "Bloodworks" comes to use. </p> </i></div>
<p>The word "crater" comes to mind. As in, I'm fairly sure that what <i>remained</i> of that absolute amazon could be buried in an envelope. </p><p>Which isn't to say that people <i>aren't</i> already writing dead-character-lives fics about P'Li (generally involving her having sufficient skilll and control to curtail the force and divert much of the heat at the last possible moment). All of them, however, involve her being badly burned and her focus tattoo being completely obliterated.
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Best case scenario for P'li: Part of her face is blown up and she's rewarded with a scar for eternity. <p>Worst case scenario: The word "Bloodworks" comes to use. </p> </i></div>
<p>The word "crater" comes to mind. As in, I'm fairly sure that what <i>remained</i> of that absolute amazon could be buried in an envelope. </p><p>Which isn't to say that people <i>aren't</i> already writing dead-character-lives fics about P'Li (generally involving her having sufficient skilll and control to curtail the force and divert much of the heat at the last possible moment). All of them, however, involve her being badly burned and her focus tattoo being completely obliterated.
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<p>It was kinda sad though, P'Li's backstory, and she never got to experience true freedom
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<p>Not sure if I can feel sorry for character I didn't really know, much less for villains and what they were going to do. I guess I felt some feeling for when P'li was popped, but that was really only for Zaheer and the fact that they just killed off a character.
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<div class="quote"><i>Kubernes wrote:
Not sure if I can feel sorry for character I didn't really know, much less for villains and what they were going to do. I guess I felt some feeling for when P'li was popped, but that was really only for Zaheer and the fact that they just killed off a character.</i></div>
<p>I had the least emotional investment in Zaheer. With the rest of them, you could at least get <i>something</i> of an inkling of how they'd ended up there. Ghazan was weird and scary; P'Li was weird, scary, and apparently a former child soldier. While Ming-Hua's a bit more difficult to gauge, her disposition in conjunction with her being visibly disabled and (going by a height comparison sheet I saw) <i>tiny</i> probably gives <i>some</i> basic idea. </p><p>But Zaheer...<i>nuthin'</i>. I don't think the "disillusioned Air Acolyte" hypothesis was even accurate, seeing as the man is a walking battle scar. The only time I felt sad for <i>him</i> over P'Li was for a few moments after when it looked like he was about to cry. </p><p>And then, <i>less than a minute after his girlfriend died</i>, he unlocked flight because she'd been "tethering" him. (Weird that <i>grief</i> is apparently less of a "tether" than love...) Which is when it occurred to me that they'd <i>fridged</i> the former child soldier for the benefit of the pompous ascended fanboy. </p>
Not sure if I can feel sorry for character I didn't really know, much less for villains and what they were going to do. I guess I felt some feeling for when P'li was popped, but that was really only for Zaheer and the fact that they just killed off a character.</i></div>
<p>I had the least emotional investment in Zaheer. With the rest of them, you could at least get <i>something</i> of an inkling of how they'd ended up there. Ghazan was weird and scary; P'Li was weird, scary, and apparently a former child soldier. While Ming-Hua's a bit more difficult to gauge, her disposition in conjunction with her being visibly disabled and (going by a height comparison sheet I saw) <i>tiny</i> probably gives <i>some</i> basic idea. </p><p>But Zaheer...<i>nuthin'</i>. I don't think the "disillusioned Air Acolyte" hypothesis was even accurate, seeing as the man is a walking battle scar. The only time I felt sad for <i>him</i> over P'Li was for a few moments after when it looked like he was about to cry. </p><p>And then, <i>less than a minute after his girlfriend died</i>, he unlocked flight because she'd been "tethering" him. (Weird that <i>grief</i> is apparently less of a "tether" than love...) Which is when it occurred to me that they'd <i>fridged</i> the former child soldier for the benefit of the pompous ascended fanboy. </p>
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<p>Wow, I didn't expect to get so many replies. Aha.
</p><p>I can see a lot of people feel mixed about this. However, I understand we should feel no remorse for those who do evil things. But I guess it's a part of being human...in most cases.
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