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ALL POSTSDo you think Earth Queen Hou-Ting will die next week?
<p>Hou-Ting
</p><p>Profession: <i>Earth Queen</i>
</p><p>Born: Who cares
</p><p>Died: 171 AG
</p><p>Cause of Death: Zaheer choked her out
</p><p><i>"YOU WOULDN'T DARE ATTACK A QUEEN!"</i>
</p><p>At her death, she left behind... nothing. She died alone. And I doubt she has a husband or kids.
</p><p><i>May her body burn in Ghazan's lava pit</i>
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<div class="quote">Mkamind wrote:
If you noticed that the new king is not like his great aunt. She wanted to restore the URN as a part of the EK but Wu is friendly with URN, he got fans in there.</i></div>
<p>He maybe not a great king as Kuei is but he is at least better than his great-aunt. </p> </div> <p>I think that somebody should turn him into an animal (some kind of llama-like creature) and have him travel across the Earth Kingdom on foot. That would probably teach him to be a better king. </p>
If you noticed that the new king is not like his great aunt. She wanted to restore the URN as a part of the EK but Wu is friendly with URN, he got fans in there.</i></div>
<p>He maybe not a great king as Kuei is but he is at least better than his great-aunt. </p> </div> <p>I think that somebody should turn him into an animal (some kind of llama-like creature) and have him travel across the Earth Kingdom on foot. That would probably teach him to be a better king. </p>
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Mako's talk at the palace replica seems to be the way forward for the Prince and a chance to really develop. Unless the writers just keep them as a comic relief.
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Mako's talk at the palace replica seems to be the way forward for the Prince and a chance to really develop. Unless the writers just keep them as a comic relief.</i></div>
<p>I think Mako taking him through regular citizens, outside of royalty will give him the feeling of what its like to be an regular EK citizen and experience their problems, helping him develop into an better king </p>
Mako's talk at the palace replica seems to be the way forward for the Prince and a chance to really develop. Unless the writers just keep them as a comic relief.</i></div>
<p>I think Mako taking him through regular citizens, outside of royalty will give him the feeling of what its like to be an regular EK citizen and experience their problems, helping him develop into an better king </p>
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<div class="quote">Kubernes wrote:
Mako's talk at the palace replica seems to be the way forward for the Prince and a chance to really develop. Unless the writers just keep them as a comic relief.</i></div>
<p>I think Mako taking him through regular citizens, outside of royalty will give him the feeling of what its like to be an regular EK citizen and experience their problems, helping him develop into an better king </p> </div> <p>Exactly. That's how Kuei and Zuko developed into good leaders for their respective nations. </p>
Mako's talk at the palace replica seems to be the way forward for the Prince and a chance to really develop. Unless the writers just keep them as a comic relief.</i></div>
<p>I think Mako taking him through regular citizens, outside of royalty will give him the feeling of what its like to be an regular EK citizen and experience their problems, helping him develop into an better king </p> </div> <p>Exactly. That's how Kuei and Zuko developed into good leaders for their respective nations. </p>
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<p>Maybe if we saw those journeys? I never got that impression from Zuko's arc during the show. The Sun Warriors comes close, but it's more about the possibilities of fire bending and the inward examination of Zuko. It was similar to the realization that Zuko has an ancestry with Aang's previous life and that Zuko didn't have to be limited to one path in life.
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<p>Kubernes wrote:
Maybe if we saw those journeys? I never got that impression from Zuko's arc during the show. The Sun Warriors comes close, but it's more about the possibilities of fire bending and the inward examination of Zuko. It was similar to the realization that Zuko has an ancestry with Aang's previous life and that Zuko didn't have to be limited to one path in life.
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<p>Remember how Zuko was so spoiled during his time chasing Aang and how he had to learn what life was like as a commoner while traveling the Earth Kingdom as a fugitive from the Fire Nation and thus learn humility? That's what I'm talking about. </p>
<p>Remember how Zuko was so spoiled during his time chasing Aang and how he had to learn what life was like as a commoner while traveling the Earth Kingdom as a fugitive from the Fire Nation and thus learn humility? That's what I'm talking about. </p>
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<p>But the jouney in the EK just sent him back to the side of his father and Azula. There really wasn't much there that I would call a good experience or one that would give him a good impression of ruling regular citizens. Maybe Jin, but that was more of a fantasy or a dream for Zuko.
</p><p>The humility aspect would largely come later on when he can finally leave the FN to help the Avatar and the reunion with his uncle.
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<p>Kubernes wrote:
But the jouney in the EK just sent him back to the side of his father and Azula. There really wasn't much there that I would call a good experience or one that would give him a good impression of ruling regular citizens. Maybe Jin, but that was more of a fantasy or a dream for Zuko.
</p><p>The humility aspect would largely come later on when he can finally leave the FN to help the Avatar and the reunion with his uncle.
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<p>I don't think so. You can see by the way that he treated his inferiors in "Nightmares and Daydreams" compared to the way that he treated his inferiors in Book 1 of A:TLA that he definitely learned humility during his journey in the Earth Kingdom. As for experiences, he had to change his entire lifestyle from being waited on by servants in a ship to living off the land as a beggar with no one but his uncle to help him (and without his uncle in "Zuko Alone"). Plus, his experience with Song in "The Cave of Two Lovers" and with Lee and his family in "Zuko Alone" would have given a pretty good impression of the lives of regular citizens and would have taught him to sympathize with them. The only reason why he went back to his father's side was because his perception of Ozai was still naive (comparable to Bolin's perception of Kuvira) and his desire to please his father was too overwhelming and Azula took advantage of that. Once he learned of Ozai's true nature and let go of that desire, everything that he learned on his journey in the Earth Kingdom kicked in and he showed great humility by abandoning his position as an honored prince to go back to being a fugitive, and even more so by offering himself as a prisoner to the group that he intended to join. </p><p>If there are two things that make up a good leader, they are the ability to sympathize with the common people and lots of humility. </p>
<p>I don't think so. You can see by the way that he treated his inferiors in "Nightmares and Daydreams" compared to the way that he treated his inferiors in Book 1 of A:TLA that he definitely learned humility during his journey in the Earth Kingdom. As for experiences, he had to change his entire lifestyle from being waited on by servants in a ship to living off the land as a beggar with no one but his uncle to help him (and without his uncle in "Zuko Alone"). Plus, his experience with Song in "The Cave of Two Lovers" and with Lee and his family in "Zuko Alone" would have given a pretty good impression of the lives of regular citizens and would have taught him to sympathize with them. The only reason why he went back to his father's side was because his perception of Ozai was still naive (comparable to Bolin's perception of Kuvira) and his desire to please his father was too overwhelming and Azula took advantage of that. Once he learned of Ozai's true nature and let go of that desire, everything that he learned on his journey in the Earth Kingdom kicked in and he showed great humility by abandoning his position as an honored prince to go back to being a fugitive, and even more so by offering himself as a prisoner to the group that he intended to join. </p><p>If there are two things that make up a good leader, they are the ability to sympathize with the common people and lots of humility. </p>
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But the jouney in the EK just sent him back to the side of his father and Azula. There really wasn't much there that I would call a good experience or one that would give him a good impression of ruling regular citizens. Maybe Jin, but that was more of a fantasy or a dream for Zuko. <p>The humility aspect would largely come later on when he can finally leave the FN to help the Avatar and the reunion with his uncle. </p> </i></div>
<p>I think it was his family, with the exception of his uncle, that gave him a horrible impression on ruling citizens. He observed, saw how horrible it is, and saw what not to do. He saw the effect that his family had on the world, and not only saw it, he lived it. I think that had a lot to do with the humility aspect. </p><p>But mostly, I think it was the guidance of Iroh that made him the good leader that he turned out to be. Had he gone through that journey alone, without Iroh, not much would have changed. He would have still been that banished brat. </p>
But the jouney in the EK just sent him back to the side of his father and Azula. There really wasn't much there that I would call a good experience or one that would give him a good impression of ruling regular citizens. Maybe Jin, but that was more of a fantasy or a dream for Zuko. <p>The humility aspect would largely come later on when he can finally leave the FN to help the Avatar and the reunion with his uncle. </p> </i></div>
<p>I think it was his family, with the exception of his uncle, that gave him a horrible impression on ruling citizens. He observed, saw how horrible it is, and saw what not to do. He saw the effect that his family had on the world, and not only saw it, he lived it. I think that had a lot to do with the humility aspect. </p><p>But mostly, I think it was the guidance of Iroh that made him the good leader that he turned out to be. Had he gone through that journey alone, without Iroh, not much would have changed. He would have still been that banished brat. </p>
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<p>In the comics Zuko does make mistakes as the new Fire Lord and even the FN and EK come close to another war, but that's because he's new at the job. It's also because he doesn't really lead over too many people, aside from his crew at the beginning. He's a good support character throughout, but Azula inherited the mind to rule (before going crazy).
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