<div class="quote"><i>Now, wait, you can't just dismiss the parts that imply that the water tribe is sexist as coincidence, then throw out the pure speculation that Chief Arnook had an arranged marriage as a counter-example. Also, no matter how prejudiced a society gets, there are ALWAYS at least some people who don't buy into it. <p>Are you...actually denying that this episode was about denouncing sexism? </p> </i></div>
<p>They never said there was a law that prohibited women from learning to fight, it's probably an old custom and people never tried to question it. Katara's probably the first woman(or girl) that wanted to learn waterbending and we don't see anyone opposing it aside from Pakku. He says women leran healing and men fighting but he don't say it's because women can't fight but because that is how things have always been and he doesn't want to change that, wich is probably why we don't see men healing in ATLA, because they never tried, never questioned the old customs.
</p> <div class="quote"><i>That doesn't really make sense. Pakku isn't the Chief, he doesn't have the authority to ban all women from learning waterbending. And what would be the motive even if it WAS his decision? Kanna wasn't a waterbender. If he just wanted to keep women away from him, there's no need to stop everyone else from teaching them.</i></div>
<p>He never tried to marry another woman(correct me if i'm wrong) so he was really hurt by this incident and probably have some anger directed towards women in general. As i said, he is the only one show to be against Katara learning waterbending and i don't remember him trying to stop her from learning from anyone aside from learning the technique Aang learned from him, being a indirect teacher. </p>

<p>I like Katara a lot. She's one of my faves. I do agree she has less than perfect moments and could be overly harsh and even mean but she was still a good person. Besides, even Aang had some jer moments {the desert episode mostly.} Tbh, I wonder why Aang and Katara get bashed a lot but almost no one accuses Toph or Sokka of doing something bad or acting rude, etc. </p>

<p>Is this guy for real? </p><p>Katara had every right to ask Pakku to teach her waterbending. Pakku was being pig-headed and refused to do so for no other reason than "that's not the way we do things here"; her fighting against him was the only way he'd wake up and see her skills </p><p>The factory in that village was poisoning the water, leaving the people sick and driving away their goddess. Katara was trying to help them. </p><p>As fo her mother, she was angry; we've all said things we didn't mean due to anger. And she only used the bloodbending once and, as previously mentioned, anger clouds your judgment. </p><p>And really, comparing her to Ozai is just insulting </p>

<div class="quote"><i>SaitamaBro wrote:
<div class="quote">It's saying that women are relegated to a certain role in society. It's gender discrimination. It's sexism.</i></div>
Women may not have a role in society but they don't make good soldiers for physical reasons. And while they gave more numbers they can also become a hindrance in combat. <p>
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</div> <p>In a world where most of the fighting is done with mystical elemental powers, and we've seen women like Katara, Toph, Azula, Kuvira, Korra, and Lin defeat entire crowds with said power, does this argument even have validity? </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Is this guy for real?</i></div>
<p>Since he didn't answer he's probably just trolling. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Katara had every right to ask Pakku to teach her waterbending. Pakku was being pig-headed and refused to do so for no other reason than "that's not the way we do things here"; her fighting against him was the only way he'd wake up and see her skills</i></div>
<p>She does have that right the same way Pakku have the right to refuse. And showing him she can fight didn't change things as even after saying she's good he didn't want to teach her. </p> <div class="quote"><i>In a world where most of the fighting is done with mystical elemental powers, and we've seen women like Katara, Toph, Azula, Kuvira, Korra, and Lin defeat entire crowds with said power, does this argument even have validity?</i></div>
<p>Well, in a world women doesn't have periods that argument is really invalid. </p>

<p>I consider Katara, dare I say it with how hated she is, a perfect character </p><p>She strives for her rights (anyone going against that has no place in our current society, honestly). She's caring for her friends. She wants justice.  </p><p>It may be because I recognize my own thoughts a lot in her...  </p><p>
</p><p>Her "flaws" are often with good intentions, thus you can't really call them flaws. She doesn't want to get fooled twice by the same person (Jet, Zuko), yet she's held against that because you get to see Zuko's strive to be accepted and Katara is going against it. Without context, it would be bitchy, with context, it really isn't. </p><p>
</p><p>She's bossy, but she only means the best for the group. Stealing a waterbending scroll, which they desperately needed at that point, is entirely different than continuing to scam money even though they already have enough. Key-point being that they already had enough. It was a capture (they were trying to HIDE (the avatar, water-tribe guy and beifong wanted girl scamming people in the city... what could go wrong?)) waiting to be done.   </p><p>
</p><p>I really think it's held against her because she's the girl who is pretty, has no problems in her life, achieves what she strives for AND is nice... There's nothing to feel sympathy for. She's bound to hate, and her "flaws" are bound to get exaggerated. </p>

How did a troll this bad turn into a debate this heated?

<div class="quote"><i>Well, in a world women doesn't have periods that argument is really invalid.</i></div>
<p>I would imagine women in the Avatar World menstruate, but few stories mention it for the same reason urination & defecation tend to go unmentioned--it's not really interesting & it tends to be something people don't want to think about. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Conzpirazy wrote:
How did a troll this bad turn into a debate this heated?</i></div>
<p>No kidding. What the hell are we doing still talking about this? Moving on now...
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<p>I am a waterbender from the Northern Water tribe and I don't think that you are right! You just wait I am pretty sure you are from fire nation. I will infiltrate your property in fire nation and kill u by ambush. </p><p>(Reaction of an extremist northern water tribe man) </p>