Talk:Avatar

5th bending form
if the island creature was right, then bending came from his kind, because they were the first creatures with ties to the spirit world.

That is unknown, but the Lion Turtle spoke of an era 'before the Avatar'. That might mean that once the elements could be manipulated through bending, the Avatar was necessary to keep them in balance. The spirit world has many animals (dragons, monkeys, pandas ,swamp creatures etc plus the two Koi fish) so elemental bending could come from those creatures. PhantomS 17:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

but isn´t it possible that a one man made the elemental bending from animals, and became the first avatar and started the avatar cycle? -Sami

Using spiritbending to make airbenders?
Someone at the IMDB boards asked that, considering Aang was able to take away the Fire Lord's firebending, could Aang give someone the ability to airbend?

I thought about this too, but came into a conclusion that giving energy is a lot more difficult than taking it, if not outright impossible, and probably not worth all the risk.

^^Please sighn your name with four of these ~. Next I think that is a good point. I dont think that he can create it but maybe transfer his own bending, but he would lose airbending. Scott 18:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Mike and Bryan already said that bending is a talent-turned-skill, and that after a certain age, you can't become a bender, you'll never see a 50 year old suddenly starting to bend. I don't know how spiritbending would affect that, but I think that people would need to have the talent, which would be turned into skill via spiritbending. I also think that it's possible to give back the bending after taking it. The skill is there, it's just inaccessible. Omnibender 18:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

We can't call it like that anymore, nick.com says it's Energybending now. Omnibender 19:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

So an example would of an older person would be like Piandao who would be able to gain a bending ability if he were younger, or Sokka now. Scott 23:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember the interview word by word, but I think the age limit is 7 or 8 years, Sokka and Katara's ages during The Southern Raiders I think. Omnibender 23:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So just turn the youngest Air Walkers into Air Nomads and the problem is solved, they have enough spirit for Aang to be ok with being airbenders and they are already living in an Air Temple =b Felinoel 01:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, perhaps he couldn't actually give them the airbending ability, but he could use Spiritbending to detect those who have the potential of learning it? 84.250.246.11 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please use four tildes (~) to leave your name at the end, and I definitely think those Air Walkers will become the new Air Nomads Felinoel 05:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think there's anyone here who thinks that they won't become Air Nomads. Also I don't have a name. 84.250.246.11 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Odd, at a forum I go to people didn't even know who they were much less think that way, they even didn't believe they were called Air Walkers... or was the not believing part here...? It is kind of required to sign your posts, regardless of whether or not you have a name Felinoel 06:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this way we have a link to your contributions page. I don't think the Air Walkers will become Air Nomads, you just don't turn into an Air Nomad, I believe you have to be born into them. By Air Walkers we are talking of the EK refugees from the NAT right? Omnibender 00:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * lol yea them, then fine, maybe they could energybend up some unborn Air Walkers still inside the mom? =b Felinoel 01:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Who knows? Maybe. I still choose to believe that bending results from genetics and spirituality mix, and that to be a bend an element, one parent must be from the corresponding nation, though that might be a subconscious Kataang mindset. Anyway, maybe all children are born with a possibility of bending, but since spirituality plays a part, that might up or down the odds of someone being a bender. Omnibender 02:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I like to think all are born able to bend but spirituality plays a part and some are born with the possibility to be great at bending Felinoel 02:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's more of spirituality than genetics, because long ago, the first airbenders were able to learn the skill from the bisons, even when their parent's weren't airbenders. And since the Air Walker lifestyle is relatively close to Air Nomads, it's quite reasonable to think that they could learn airbending some time in the future. 84.250.246.11 06:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, also, if my memory is correct, then Aang is also a orphan. Air Nomads are monks and I think they are pretty much all orphans. Perhaps a baby, being just born, therefore recently 'coming out' of the Spirit World, they have the ability to learn any Bending art but as they grow older, said ability fades. It can reach the point of being neglible but I'd like to believe that it never truly disappears. Therefore the potential to learn a Bending art is always in everyone. Possibly the potential to bend ALL the elements. It's just that as one begins to learn to bend one element, they place upon themselves a great mental block, preventing them from Bending the other elements.--cv

Or maybe their descendants will. - Zero - Talk 12:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

What is more likely is that Aang's descendants will multiply (maybe even with the Air Walkers) and slowly repopulate the Air Nomad community over the years. The Air Nomads always seemed like the smallest of the Four Nations to start with, so it will be no time before the numbers come back up. There might even be Airbenders born into other cultures (Fire, Water, Earth) by then. Setting them up by Energybending is a bit silly- that stuff predates elemental bending, and is used to bend someone's spirit (bending comes from spirituality) ,but not to make a non-bender a bender. PhantomS 15:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

For everything that has a positive there exists negative and vice versa. Its not silly. - Zero - Talk 12:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The Avatar world is one where logic is defied in more ways than one. Energybending is arguably something Aang won't do too often as his spirit is not unbendable (Ozai nearly corrupted him), plus he only did it as a last resort to avoid killing the fire Lord. He won't go around Energybending people to find out if they can airbend; it's far easier for him just to teach people how. There is no 'positive- negative' rule here ,as there is no known opposite for Spiritbending (speculation not welcome) unlike with the Four Elements.

I'm well aware of your postings here, so I won't turn this into a squealing arguement on your part.PhantomS 18:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

You are right about the dangers of spiritbending. You do have a point, I agree. But know that this is only speculation. Not fact. This whole section is merely speculation. It was never intended to be put in the article, unless it actually is what happens. Even I dont put all my hopes in this. Since its not fact and is speculation therefore I dont need to argue. Also I ask that you be a little more polite. By Positive and Negative I meant that maybe, just maybe, if Aang can take away bending through energybending then maybe he can give the gift as well. But then again this is only speculation (Its a talk page, the normal rules of writing only fact can be bent here). Who knows what will happen. I'm not saying that this is the only way, all I'm saying that It could be one of the ways. Aang's decendants are a valid lead as well. - Zero - Talk 07:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the next airbenders could learn from Appa and Aang. The original airbenders learned from flying bison, and they obviously weren't born with it. So I see no reason why people couldn't learn to airbend from bison again. Plus, they have Aang to teach them the specific techniques, once they have the basic idea. 65.9.128.56 22:06, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Lion Turtle Energybended (is that a word?) into Aang, but that was because, as the Avatar, he already had the ability to Energybend, he just didn't know how, like the other Bending Arts. So, it's unlikely that he could just give a random person the ability to bend an element that isn't their natural element. So, someone who isn't an Air Nomad (the Air Walkers don't count), can't be given the knowledge to Airbend, if they don't have the natural ability. But who knows? KonohaSunaKiriKumoIwa (talk &bull; contribs) 04:12, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

List Of Avatars
1. Unknown Firebender 2. Yangchen 4. Kuruk 5. Kyoshi 6. Ruko 7. Aang BGizzles45 02:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC) 02:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)02:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ??? Felinoel 03:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
I don't understand the trivia here, does anyone understand it? felinoel ~ (Talk) 16:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I do. During the show Aangs eyes and Tatoos have been known to either glow completely white or white with just a hint of blue. That what he's saying. Zero - Talk 06:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And the lighting changing affecting the visable color spectrum is important because? felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It just trivia. Its not that important though. And No. I did'nt put it there. So if you really want to you can remove it. - Zero - Talk 05:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My post is about how I don't see it as trivia and I feel it should be changed to something else, if you feel trivia is not important why don't you remove all the triva from every page then? felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I didnt say trivia is unimportant. What i meant was that If you find that this trivia has no place here then you may remove it. Seriously. - Zero - Talk 08:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And what I meant is that it is not trivia, it is something else entirely, it could be kept if given a different label felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude, and I know this is a year old but, trivia by DEFINITION means unimportant information.--cv

Energybending
wait where was it said that only avatars could energybend? can't every bender do it?

Nick.com, their Avatar site. Seriously, does anyone ever goes there before asking something here? Omnibender - Talk 15:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup. I agree with felinoel. (Wow. Did I really say that?) lol - Zero - Talk 10:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks.
 * Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Avatar State
Should Avatar state have it's own article because there is a lot of information?--Lightning Shenron 21:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but it is directly related to the Avatar and to nothing else, so unless the page is ridiculously long, it isn't needed. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 21:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

When did the gaang learn it was called the avatar state? It was never called that until "The Avatar State" when Aang says "I can only do those things when I'm in the Avatar State" or something like that, but Roku didn't tell him is was called that until later in the episode. dudewaldo4 22:57, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Avatar Life Span
In the episode where Roku shows Aang his death against the volcano on his home island, notice his wife is sleeping in bed next to him,before the eruption,withered and old like he is.

If the avatar has an unusual life span Roku would look the age of his early 40'ies, not an old man. Although the possibility remains that he would be able to live as an elderly man for over a century, it is still not plausible.


 * I would assume that the Avatar stays elderly for a long period of time. After all, they're supposed to be wise... The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 23:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Thier "Genetic Aging" doesn't seem to slow. This is not Wheel of Time even if one of the episodes was named like one of WoT Books (Crossroads of Destiny: Crossroads of Twighlight). But their life spans seem to be long. So while outwardly they do age normally. That doesn't mean that they will die when they get wrinkles do they? Death occurs when all neurological pulses of the brain cease. Both the voluntary ones and the involuntary ones. Not before. - Zero - Talk 06:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the Avatar has a life span that is inherently longer than that of a normal Avatar-World human. Guru Pathik is a hundred and fifty and he's not an Avatar, he's just maintained his spiritual and physical health. I think that, since the Avatar is meant to be a powerful spiritual leader/authority, they tend to do the same things Pathik does, and that extends their lifespan. But it's not something they're born with, or an extra Avatar-Power. I don't know if that's exactly what we're talking about here, (sorry if its not) but its related and seems worth pointing out. Puragus Talk 16:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that the power of the spirit might be a factor here. - Zero - Talk 04:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. According to Yangchen, the Avatar is supposed to be a relatively normal human, albeit one with special abilities, and not an all-powerful spirit. It seems like a special lifespan would interfere with that. Roku looks like a normal 68-year-old to me (though he is in excellent shape), so why would we assume his life is supernaturally extended? Puragus Talk 14:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Because compared to the other known avatars, Roku didn't die of natural causes. And the other known Avatars were all supercentenarians. - Zero - Talk 03:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, only one named Avatar is a known supercentenarian (and wouldn't she be a..."double-centenarian?"... or a "Bicentenarian?" Anybody know what to call someone two hundred years old?). We don't know the ages of two of them, Roku was 68 when he died (although, as you correctly pointed out, of unnatural causes) and Aang is twelve. Even if most of them do live beyond a hundred, why wouldn't it be due to Pathikesque spiritual training? Puragus Talk 22:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

We know that Kyoshi lived for over 200 years. And I think Yangchen was 100 and Kuruk was 88 when they died (Judging by the dates in the succession box at the bottom of their pages). - Zero - Talk 07:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the ages for Kuruk and Yangchen are accurate. To my knowledge there's nothing to support them, and they're not mentioned anywhere else, at least on this site. Both their Age-boxes say "Unknown" in their character templates, and History of the World of Avatar does not list the years they served, except when Kuruk died. If we can't find anything to support their ages, we should change their succession boxes. Puragus Talk 21:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

That's a discussion for their talk pages, isn't it? Although, seeing as they're both Avatars it could go here too. - Zero - Talk 11:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I put it here because I only noticed it when you mentioned it here. Should we put it on one of their talk pages? Puragus Talk 16:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Avatar imbalance
I think because the air nomads are almost extinct there could be a possible imbalance. If aang chooses not to have children the avatar cycle will be broken. There may be people out there of air nomad descent and with aangs help may become airbenders but won't be affiliated with the air nomads

I think Aang will restore the air nomads. TheBlueBlur (talk &bull; contribs) 23:48, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Is this even relevant? We"ll never know the truth 76.88.96.40 22:46, April 9, 2010 (UTC)ROKU)&

Controlling the Avatar State
Since Guru Pathik tried to help Aang control the Avatar State by opening the Chakras, is it possible that if an avatar opened all seven chakras that they could control elements they had yet to learn while in the Avater State?KonohaSunaKiriKumoIwa (talk &bull; contribs) 04:18, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I think that control over the avatar state just lets you go into it, not power over the rest of the elements. If so, then why would any avatar learn the elements before the avatar state? So, most likely, you might be able to do some level of bending that you don't know, but not to a full extent.  Avatar Talk 05:10, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Avatar Kyoshi
Shouldn't you mention that a previous Avatar can channel themselves through their living successor because in "Avatar Day" Kyoshi brought herself in just as the mayor was about to give Aang's sentence,and a brown wind spout circled Aang's body and the world was covered in darkness. Also Aang had no knowledge of it after it happened.Kibo100 (talk &bull; contribs) 23:14, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

First Avatar
In speculation, people are saying that the first avatar was an airbender, but that would be contradictory, the first element is water.Courage the Cowardly User (talk &bull; contribs) 06:01, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * When listing the elements in the cycle, one has to start somewhere. Just because it starts with water, it doesn't mean it was the first element in the cycle. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * then why is the cycle always with water at the begining Courage the Cowardly User (talk &bull; contribs) 05:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Convention? Emphasis on the fact that the first book was the Water one? There can be any number of reasons. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:24, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * remember the cycle is water earth fire air, why would they make the cycle a different element if the first avatar wasnt water?Courage the Cowardly User (talk &bull; contribs) 03:26, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you remember from The Southern Air Temple, Katara says that the cycle goes Air, Water, Earth, and Fire. VJavatar is awesome (talk &bull; contribs) 03:30, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * if you remember from our own wiki, it goes water earth fire airCourage the Cowardly User (talk &bull; contribs) 03:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * The show takes preference, and VJavatar is right. The cycle is Air, Water, Earth, then Fire. -- I'm The Bos - Talk -  Guardian 04:07, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * they clearly say in the first episode narration Water, Earth, Fire, Air Courage  the Cowardly  Dawn's PastSoF 01:58, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The cycle is circular, you can start it wherever. Just because Katara starts it one place doesn't mean it's incorrect to start it somewhere else. I could say Fire, Air, Water and Earth and still be correct. You're not going to know who the first Avatar is or where he came from for looking at a circular cycle! MightyBrit has left this comment! (Talk, Read CoD!) 02:19, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * thn why would they always start with water if the first avatar was not a waterbender Courage  the Cowardly  Dawn's PastSoF 02:25, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the opening narration is by Katara, who is from the water tribe! Of course she says her own element first! MightyBrit has left this comment! (Talk, Read CoD!) 02:35, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why does everyone else refer to water first? Courage  the Cowardly  Dawn's PastSoF 17:06, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never saw anyone else saying water was the first. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:38, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * iroh?03:40, August 7, 2010 (UTC)