Talk:Air Nomad Genocide

can someone tell me how to put pics on articles as is, without this program instead leaving the URL to the pic?

Thanks.

H-Man Havoc 16:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no way of putting pictures in the Wikia without uploading them. But you can leave links for the pictures while they aren't uploaded. Just leave the site link between [] and give a space to have the image title in it. Omnibender 17:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Can this page have a "war overview" chart that is being put up around "The War" and all battles within it? U know it shows the commanders, casualties, etc..... Thnx, that would be greatly appreciate it. H-Man Havoc 13:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Non canon proof
Read this to see the TCG characters aren't canon, near the end of the page. Omnibender 19:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh. OK. Zero - Talk 04:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Genocide
Isnt it more likely that Sozin split his forces into four parts and each part camped near an Air Temple hiding untill the Comet arrived. I mean it took Aang a while to go from the South Pole to the North. Sozin had to roughly take the same time if not more. I know that you're gonna say that Aang took too many stops along the way. But still the Comet only approached for a day. they couldnt possibly traverse the whole world and attack the four temples in one day. Could they? The Travel Time and the Battle Time would have been a lot. Zero - Talk 05:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

There's simply no way that the fire nation soldiers could have attacked everywhere at once in just one day, as there is evidence in the show that proves my point. Also, even though the comet lasts only one day, its effects can be far more reaching, like I said in the article about how before the comet, Sozin was a frail old man, but after the comet came, his powers were increased to the point that he lived 20 years after the fact. By saying this, I believe that the firebenders would have had their very strong powers, but would slowly fade away as the time passed.

H-Man Havoc 11:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What you say may be true but Sozin's Life extention was stated to be a rumor in the article it was written in. And no the power doesnt slowly fade. It fades immediately upon the comet's exit from the atmosphere. Zero - Talk 14:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, we saw that Firebenders can fly under their own power with Sozin's Comet boost, so that could be a way to bypass the "you can only get there with a Flying Bison", even though they didn't have the technology they have today. The most logical thing I can think of is that Sozin, who we know already had Earth Kingdom colonies, as shown in The Avatar and the Fire Lord, put his troops all around the Earth Kingdom and waited for the right moment, he started preparing for the war for 12 years after Roku died, that is more than enough time to lay low and try following an Air Nomad, to see if they could discover their location, and if they had a remote idea of where the temples were, they could either use dragons, cause Sozin apparently still hadn't made the tradition of killing them, or using Comet enhanced Firebending to fly there. Omnibender 22:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

One small problem to this explanation. It seems that the fire jets firebenders use to fly don't have enough power to fly as fast as dragons or flying bisons, so it would actually be easier to fly with creatures and not solo. Secondly, most firebenders are only novice-level firebenders and therefore may not either know how to do the technique or don't have the knowledge of energy conservation when doing it. Thirdly, there simply weren't enough dragons for all the forces to fly to the temples, and its been shown that they only can carry one or two people at a time due to their scaly profiles as well as their swerving natures that could possibly make flying a dragon with more people on them a fatal ordeal.

Fourthly, wouldn't the firebenders have suffocated due to the possible oxygen-constraints of being up in the mountains, therefore limiting their powers? Normally that would be the case, but I guess Bryke "cheated" in order to allow for a more impressive storyline.

Ok.... this page isn't allowing me to sign my username, so its: H-Man Havoc

I agree with most Firebenders not knowing how to use the jet propulsion technique, but I don't think the Fire Nation would take novices to invade the Air Temples, even with the Comet powering them, Azula did mention that Sozin spent the 12 years that separated Roku's death and the War's beginning secretly preparing, something which would certainly include Firebending training, plus, if they were able to do that, they would be able to fly quite fast, as shown by Ozai, who was being powered by the comet. We can't say for sure there weren't enough dragons, it was never stated when Sozin began the tradition of hunting dragons, Aang mentioned that during his time before being frozen, there were lots of dragons, and for Iroh to be believed to have "conquered" the last one of them when he was young, that would put the dragons extinction roughly about 40 years prior to the series start. About their size, if the quantity wasn't a problem, neither would size, though I do think that Ran and Shao looked bigger than Fang. Also, there might have been dragon saddles, just as there were for bisons. About the suffocation, the human body adapts to oxygen deprived environments by producing more red blood cells, it does take a couple days, but it starts to happen as soon as the concentration of oxygen drops. And the oxygen deprivation might have compensated by the Comet power up. Omnibender - Talk 00:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Avatar immediately be reincarnated into the next nation of the cycle?
Is there any reason that he wouldn't if the Avatar was killed in the Air Nomad Genocide? If he would, that seems like poor planning on Sozin's part, as well as bad story writing on the creator's part. I realize this doesn't have much relation to the article itself, but I'm curious. 70.243.9.65 02:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Avatar would have been a problem as an Air Nomad because he would have had time to train, as a reborn newborn baby he would have been no threat felinoel ~ (Talk) 02:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Quote
I noticed that the quote used on this article is the same one used on Fire Lord Sozin's article. Zukofan123 08:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no rule for using the same quote for two articles. But I do think that the color of the quote box should be changed to that of the Fire Nation since Sozin was the one who made that statement. - Zero - Talk 08:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, since you put it that way, I guess there's no sense to change it. Zukofan123 08:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Zero, I think the unwritten convention that has been established is that the colour of the quote box is the colour of the nation the battle took place in. See Coup of Ba Sing Se. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 14:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

In other words it has not been discussed yet. I think that the quote should be in the color of the character's nation. - Zero - Talk 15:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, in my opinion, all the battle quotes should be the default orange colour. It makes it neater next to the orange battle infobox. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but then it would clash with the character who speaks the quote. Besides the Fire Nation was the one who started this war. So, the Battle Templates should be red. - Zero - Talk 16:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That might be a good idea. If so, then all battle quotes should be red. I don't really like the current mess where blue clashes on orange etc. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 16:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody else have a say in this? - Zero - Talk 17:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that if there is a location or character template, or any other template the puts a color on the page, the quote should have the color corresponding to it. If there's not, then it's open for debate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 17:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

But this isn't a location or character we're talking about. This is a Battle. An Event. Shouldn't the templates be colored according to the nation that started or led up to this event? - Zero - Talk 17:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thing is: which Nation? The Nation who was victorious? The Nation who started the conflict? The Nation where the battle happened? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I've answered that question already. The instigator. Since this war occured due to the Fire Nation therefore all the Battle Info Templates for this War's Battles should be Red. That way People can realise who's Fault it was. - Zero - Talk 19:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't we ever just keep things simple and stop changing and being obsess with colors? Sorry if I'm wrong, but it appears that we are trying to change the battle template to some color depending on the nation. Well, that is completely unneeded and it seems kinda stupid (don't want to use that word, but it was the only thing I could remember) to change the color of every template we can find. I mean, we already had this discussion earlier on the talk page for the battle, and it was easily avoided. Can we, for once, leave these templates alone? It's perfectly fine the way it is. Sorry if that's not what we're talking about. --SuperFlash101 19:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, think, it is already answered that "The War" is started by the Fire Nation. Seriously, this discussion is unneeded, and I really think it;s just pointless to do what you're offering. Plus, anybody who's ever seen any episode of Avatar knows that the Fire Nation started the war. --SuperFlash101 19:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand that it will be hard to change the color due to the cramped method of writing the code of the template. But I have some expirience in that And I can assure you that I can change the colors in a day. All I really have to do is copy the code into Notepad and then use replace to change the necessary color codes. Then copy the modified code from notepad to the Template Page. Tada. - Zero - Talk 19:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

And by the way Superflash101. I've been noticing that you are not being very polite lately. No-one is asking you to do the work. So you do not need to worry about it. Now unless you have a valid reason as to why your point should be considered then I suggest you drop the insults and move along. I've already warned you about your language. Once in a while is okay but not on every post. And besides saying an argument is stupid is a very poor way to counteract it. If you can't refrain from saying so then please refrain from posting at all. Also. We write not only for those who have watched Avatar we also write for those who havent watched Avatar. - Zero - Talk 19:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, first, I never insulted anybody and I was not be rude. I was making my point, I never shouted, and I never did anything in that last post that would make you say I was impolite or was using "language." Are you upset with me, or something? And I wasn't saying that I needed to do the work. I just really do not like the idea of changing colors. My point is that everybody is always changing the colors for no actual needed reason. I created these templates for simplistic reasons, not that everybody would change them. Here's my argument: When it is not needed to change colors, than we shouldn't change colors. I like the template now, and changing it would just make it not only complicated, but also tacky. And final two notes: We shouldn't change color for everything we can get out hands on, and it kind of seems that you don't like me or have a problem with with me. SuperFlash101 19:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I have no real view about you. I hardly even know you. But recently you have been using words like Dumb and Stupid. These words can lead to destructive discussions which are the opposite of constructive discussions. I value your input. But be advised that if someone gives an idea for an improvement it should not be immediately shot down (unless its absolutely outrageous, which in this case it is not). Please re-read the whole discussion. See what points the opposite party has made. Think on them and see if they are valid or not. Then think of your own reasons for objecting to them. Are they simply for your own benifit. (Note that I'm offering to change the color myself. You dont have to do it. This releases you from your obligations.) I've learned while I've been here that sometimes one must conceed to something in order to be accepted in another. A lesson that you might want to take to heart. And dont immediately say something is stupid. It makes people raise thier guard around you. - Zero - Talk 19:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

If you two can stop arguing, may I ask who reopened this discussion and why? Zukofan123 19:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

We are not arguing. And the Discussion was not reopened. Read the posts and you'll have your answer. Also Please refrain from using the Template:Discussion Closed unless you have read the rules of the Template written on its page. Good Day. - Zero - Talk 19:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, thank you for reminding me. Zukofan123 20:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I was going to say something but got in two edit conflicts. Here's what I remember: I do not know who brought this back up, it has really changed from the heading and we have already had this discussion before. Zero, I did not want to use that word, and I really was not being rude. When I voiced my opinion, it was dashed by you as being unclaimed or whatever. --SuperFlash101 20:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)