Talk:Firebending/@comment-110.55.5.110-20120315000404/@comment-4888161-20120322160212

I know about hot and cold well enough thank you. It doesn't change the fact that this theory is flawed in two ways. Firebenders can't freeze anything, and they can't create a wind that would do much of anything. I understand that it stinks when other people come and tell you that you were wrong about something, but I'm just trying to keep everything factual. I mean it's an interesting thought, but I believe you are missing the point:

Just like there is a limit to how much a waterbender could heat things up (and even at that they could only heat up water), there is a limit to how much heat a firebender could take away.

The truth is a firebender can only cool things down so much, and even at that it is extremely localized. As I said before, the temperature at which lava cools into a rock (and likewise rocks melt into lava) is far hotter even then the temperature of steam. We are talking about temperature that can get in excess of several thousand degrees. Cooling it down to a several hundred degrees is hardly freezing. So while a firebender could cool the lava into a rock, they can't cool water into ice because they couldn't remove enough heat. And they can only remove heat from things where there is an excess of heat, like lava. Regular water would likely be too cold to remove heat from in the fist place, and even if they could it wouldn't be enough to freeze it as the excess heat would be far less.

- The other thing I believe you are having trouble understanding is that firebenders can only create a minor wind at best, and there is no evidence of it even doing so. But there is certainly at least the potential to move the air a bit, as far as we know. So this hasn't been ruled out yet and I'm willing to believe it possible, but it wouldn't to the degree or to the level of control that you are saying. It would only be a basic breeze form, and a limited breeze that wouldn't bother you. It would be like standing outside on a regular afternoon where there was a bit of a breeze for a moment. Then you said this:

"So this kind of temperature manipulation can create only create powerful tornadoes. "

I reread several times how you came to that conclusion, just because it was so odd. Now you seemed to be admitting in this statement that all other forms of air a firebender could create would be useless, yet for some reason make an exception for tornadoes? No offense, but I didn't get the connection. I still don't, and I know plenty about tornadoes. Tornadoes only happen at very specific conditions. It has to be hot enough, humid enough, and there has to be cold air to mix in as well despite it being hot enough. Then the hotter air gets trapped under a lair of colder air, and the denser colder air tries to go down while the hotter lighter air tries to rise and they end up twisting, but it still doesn't happen if it isn't humid enough. So if the conditions aren't just right this doesn't happen.

Airbenders bypass this because they don't create tornadoes naturally. Instead, they manually manipulate the air currents to spin in a spiral. But anyone else would have to create those conditions in just the right way and let it happen naturally. If they didn't set it up to happen on it's own, they wouldn't be able to do it without directly controlling the wind. So you say a firebender can do this. I disagree, but I analyzed it anyways:

Well firebenders can rotate their fire, but they can't rotate the air artificially to make up for anything else they might be missing here. That's strike one. They don't create cold, and certainly can't remove anywhere near enough heat to create that much cold air. The heat they would remove would be extremely localized (like no bigger than the size of the rock) and limited like I said earlier. So that's strike two. Firebenders don't do anything involving humidity, so that's strike 3 and a major one at that.

Firebenders have no chance to create tornadoes of any kind. It's not even a remote chance to create minor tornadoes, let alone powerful ones. The physics are just wrong. There is too much they can't do, and they wouldn't be able to effect a large enough area to make it happen even if they could (which they can't) do any of those things required to the degree needed. They can't create any other wind to the degree required to be effective either. It would be a basic, breeze form. And it would be too slow to hurt anything.