Talk:Aang/Archive 1

Opening Sequence Screenshot
I'm not sure that it is Aang performing airbending in the opening sequence. The shadowed figure that appears in the opening "Water Earth Fire Air" narration could be any air monk really.

After freeze framing the opening, I can see that the bender is still thin like Aang, yet he seems taller and more mature, judging by the size of his head compared to his body. Also, the lower half of the outfit is slightly different, the pants part not being tucked into his boots. Of course he could be barefoot (though I haven't checked any shots of him barefoot to look at what his pants do).

Here's the screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Bman41589/airbender.jpg

Also, the benders thus far seem to be foreshadowing later characters, such as Azula and Pakku, so I'm assuming that the earth and air benders will show up lit up later on.

I'm not saying that it isn't Aang, but I suggest that we shouldn't assume it right off.

i'm pretty sure its aang. and fire is azula and water is that avatar that was water, i can't remember his name. and i thing earth is haru, im not completey sure, but air is aang. i can tell.

vera.

To answer a question here.... the Earth Character in the opening was confirmed by the writers to be an early version of Toph, before they decided on her current parameters. The character of Sud, Roku's earthbending teacher, bears a moderate resemblance towards the shadowed earthbender in the beginning as well. Bryke may have done this to quell suspicions of who it really is, despite the first point above. H-Man Havoc 13:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

First of well, welcome to the Wikia vera, you can sign you comments at talk pages with ~. If you look carefully, it's not Aang, reasons for it are stated above. The only character you actually got right is Azula. Omnibender 14:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Personally I don't see how anyone can really tell that much about who the shadowed figures are cause they're entirely in shadow. All you really see is an outline of the character, no other details. Azula's a pretty good choice for the Fire one cause she's the only prominent female Firebender in the whole series and the silhouettes match. Pakku's the water guy, only Waterbender in the series who actually looks like the shadow figure. We know the whole story about the Earth one. The Air monk... To me it has to be Aang. There's no other Airbender alive in the whole series (except in flashbacks). The bare feet, well let's think about this: the Avatar bends Earth too. The figure looks right: lean, perhaps a little taller then Aang but it's hard to tell without a scale. Face looks close. Okay it's impossible to tell for certain, unless the creators tell us, but I can't think of anything off hand that would say why the figure can't be Aang. Daniel Dusk 07:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all the head is shaped wrong, and second of all if you watch it in motion, if I remember correctly, facial hair can be seen felinoel ~ (Talk) 16:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see any hint of facial hair, and the face looks right to me. The shape could be different to you because the person is all in shadow. Again why would it be anyone but Aang? It doesn't make sense. Aang is the sole Airbender alive, that we know of.Daniel Dusk 14:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I just rewatched the beginning sequence and correct me if you think I am wrong but there is a good chance it might be Gyatso or one of the Monks from "The Storm". For one because the orange part of the outfit is way to long at the back, and the shape of the head makes the person look like he is old. But that is just my opinion.122.106.97.66 22:44, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually the fire yes is Azula water is Master Pakku the one that teaches Katara the earth is The Boulder and The air is in definitely Aang. 97.104.159.108 02:54, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Day of Black Sun
Why hasn't every article been updated. In the UK, the day of Black Sun aired, so the articles should have information about the invasion on the`m.

Actually, only part 1 has aired and only in the Netherlands, nowhere else in the world. I'll be removing any spoilers I find. 68.175.106.168 02:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

One thing I don't get. If Azula bends BLUE fire, then how can it be her? But it's CLEARLY her, so I don't get it. I also don't completely understand Azula and her firebending. :|

Azula never used to bend blue fire as shown in "Zuko Alone". I think it is something she created, like her signature fire. We don't really know when or how she learned blue firebending but we do know she wasn't born like that. And Azure or Azul or something is a type of blue colour so I was wondering if that also helped influence the creators to give her blue fire, I know she was named after her grandfather but still...

Relationships Section
Wikipedia is deleting the relationships section and it is actually very important in the show. If nobody replies by tomorrow, I will add the section. 68.175.106.168 02:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Its been tomorrow and the day after and still no section. I'll do it for you.--TheUltimate3 02:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Relationship
Under the relationship section with Katara it is said that they kissed in the episodes cave of two lovers. Though this is extremely likely it is not necessarily true. There should really only be facts we are certain are true here.

Umm. . .Aang and Katara kissed for the first time in the Cave of Lovers.

Did They?
The light went out just before we could see. Also she seemed very surprised in the last episode, which could have been becauseit was her first kiss. Greekpimp 01:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

However, in the Cave of Two Lovers, it is proven that Aang and Katara did not share a kiss. When the moment came and the lights dimmed as the two got closer, whatever happened in the time spam can be left to the imagination. However, when the glowing crystals came to light, Katara responded that it was the fact that the light burning out that unveiled the lighted passage-way. This proves that a kiss was not shared. Katara to come to the conclusion that in order for the lighted passage-way to light the way out, the fire must be burned out, not that a kiss must be shared.


 * It's not proven one way or the other. They're leaning in as the torches go out, we cut away and come back when the crystals are glowing. We don't see if they kissed, cause we weren't there when the crystals start to glow, or if they didn't. It's an irritating thing really. You can sorta make a case for either but since we don't see them at the actual moment the crystals light up we can't soay for sure that they did or didn't. That's the way it is. Daniel Dusk 07:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Western Air Temple
It aired quite a while ago, why is there no information about it on this page? Liberi Fatali37 08:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC) the writers said the kissed so ya they kissed

Profession
Does being the Avatar counts as profession? For me it denotes what one does for living. Omnibender 20:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it does. It's no less a profession even if he isn't paid for it

Comics
Are the Avatar Comics from Nicks site considered canon? If they are, we should add the information on "sleepbending" on the article. Omnibender 21:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that the comics are cannon as they come from Nick, and fit perfectly into the story, and I also believe I heard it somewheres; but whatever, I think we should make a page per comic like we have for each episode, as a way to recap and such on each comic. Joeyaa 14:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Avatar Successor
When Aang Dies His sucessor will be born to the Water Tribe BUT it has to be the Northern Water Tribe. It's procces of elimination (think about it)


 * There are no men in the Southern Water Tribe


 * and The are no known women in the Foggy Swamp Tribe

If there are any mistake (I know there are a few but I still wanna post this) please get connected with User:Thallett -Thallett

There are men in the SWT because Pakku and the others went their after season 1. Scott 06:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You dont know if the successor will be a male. It could be a female. The Unnamed Fire Avatar was male too remember. Zero 07:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

About the gender I just unthinkingly right him About the pakku thing "oh yeah"

Now that i think about it it's a pattern

Fire Avatar-Male

Yangchen-Female

Kuruk-Male

Kyoshi-Female

Roku-Male

Aang-DDDDAAAAAHHHHH so close o wll'Thallett 01:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)Thallett

I dont think there is a pattern except what the world needs at the time. Zero 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The only part of the cycle that really seems set is simply the way it cycles through the elements. There doesn't seem to be any pattern in terms of what sex the Avatar is. Daniel Dusk 02:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There are women in the Foggy Swamp Tribe. I definitely saw one in DoBS when one of the submarines gets hit by a harpoon, and a Foggy Swamp girl freezes the water pouring in. I could tell it was a woman because her chest was covered. Not to mention the Foggy Swamp has never been stated to be suffering in any way, the Fire Nation has zero presence there, so why would there be no women? There just haven't been any notable women. Munkiman 02:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I never noticed that. Omnibender 02:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

First Avatar to Energybend or Not?
Is it just me or did you guys also notice the similarity between the beam of light released by Aang close to the end of Spiritbending Ozai's energy, and the beam of light released upon the breaking of the Iceberg in which Aang was trapped in the beginning of the show. Is it possible that what we may be wrong when we say that Aang is the first Avatar to ever energybend? Zero 06:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Not only possible, but also very likely.

Nick.com confirmed he wasn't the first, but that he was one of very few. Omnibender 19:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I think they went for the effect being similar to create a nice symmetry to it all. I'd say the first time is cause he froze himself while he was still in the state, so a lot of excess energy built up and was finally released when Katara broke it open. Daniel Dusk 07:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Could it be possible that when Aang was sealed in the Iceberg one of the Previous Avatars used energybending to keep him alive. I mean the Lion turtle is a spiritbender and he has lived for thousands of years. Zero 05:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't find that likely, nick.com stated that very few Avatars ever learned Energybending, and even fewer used it. I know Aang was in the Avatar State that whole time, but I doubt the few Avatars who know energybending did anything, if they could, they would have used regular bending to get Aang to safety in some island. Omnibender 21:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Height
Is that at the beginning or at the end of the show? Because it is quite obvious he grows taller during it: After watching the first episode again, I can see that he's significantly shorter than in the last one. So are Katara and Sokka, but Aang's grown a lot more.

Infobox Image
I think you should take the picture of him in his Realized avatar attire at the end of the article and place it in the infobox. (It's the most recent photo of him) And just leave his and Katara's third kiss at the end. Also, just saying, you dont need to havee pictures for every paragraph. NaruHina Talk  23:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)(If you respond, put a message on my talk page so I'll know. I'm never on this Wiki much, though I'm a fan of the series)

Your objections have been noted. But we like doing things this way. Thank You. Zero - Talk 16:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

All right, Have a nice day. NaruHina Talk  01:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)(Told you I'm not around much :))

Redirection Question
Kung fu action jesus redirects to Avatar, yet Kung Fu Action Jesus is not a character even in the Abridged just an allias, so I think that redirection should be removed as the allias is not only offensive, but really doesent have too much relevence with aang or the series.Joeyaa 14:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with both suggestions. Omnibender 17:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it should just redirect to the Abridged Series felinoel ~ (Talk) 18:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just did it. Omnibender 20:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Main Image From Aang
I was hoping if someone could please find a better image of Aang. He just seems so upset in the image that is being displayed which seems like a contradiction to his character which is supposed to be happy. Stefers08 02:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea someone went around changing all the main characters' pictures to ones from the third season felinoel ~ (Talk) 02:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know what episode the main image on the article right now is from? Energybender 02:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Puragus did, and quite frankly, I think we should change character images to how they were by the third season, they've changed, if we couldn't change it, Zuko and Iroh's articles would never be able to use the current images, maybe it was wrong of Puragus not to say what he was going to do or put the idea forward, but at least he changed to good images. And I have no idea of what that episode is, but I would say it's from season two. Omnibender - Talk 15:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it was from "The Southern Raiders". And you're right, I should have put the idea out there first. Puragus - Talk 16:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Quote
Are we going to start using lots of quotes? If so, we need to discuss what to quote, when and how much. Omnibender - Talk 00:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I just figured to put the quote box and the quote at the very top of the page. A quote that fits the character and their personality. --SuperFlash101 14:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not think this quote fits Aang's personality at all. Only for a short time(one episode). Something more Air Nomadish is needed. Wise yet fun. - Zero - Talk 23:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. I'll change it. --SuperFlash101 17:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, do you think we should have a quote for all the main avatar characters (Katara, Sokka, Toph, Zuko) because they are important as well? Alex101313 19:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Too Long
Sorry if I sound like a Wikipedia administrator but this article may be too long...I doubt many would like to read through the whole article.The 888th Avatar 07:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

You'd be surprised how many people are unlike you. And you do sound like a wikipedia admin. This is precisely why I came here. To get away from them. Whats your problem. Let it be. - Zero - Talk 23:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

And plus it gives quick reference at what was happening with Aang through the entire series. Alex101313 23:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. And Just because wikipedia does'nt have the guts to write long articles doesn't mean we cant. Please refrain from making such further comments in the future. Also if noone wants to read thses so called too long articles then why are we on he wikia spotlight. That proves your comment wrong. - Zero - Talk 23:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well put Zero. Alex101313 00:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Alex. - Zero - Talk 00:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The length is because the article is unfocused. It retells the episodes that relate to Aang instead of just linking to them. Bacaue of this, the wiki now has no real page-sized overview over Aangs biography, although it needs one. An overview would summarize the episodes that are retold here and link to the episodes themselves for readers who need more detail. --◄mendel► 10:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Look we've been over this. We Are Not Going To Shorten The Articles. Why cant people get it into their heads that this is NOT wikipedia. If you want short Articles then feel free to go there. I for one am sick and tired of this. I and many others came to Avatar Wikia because of wikipedians who chose to delete info from the site just because they felt they should. We came here and worked and worked to make this wikia what it is. There is no way I'm gonna just sit here and let history repeat itself. People worked hard on these articles. And you want to destroy all of their work? I dont care if you think I'm overreacting or whatever. I wont stand for this. We've been over this. We are not like wikipedia and we dont care how the other wikia run things, we are the Avatar Wikia and we make our own path. I'm sorry for being like this but I really hate it when peoples hard work is ruined and while I'm here as a user or as an admin I will protest against anything that is remotely like what you are suggesting. The Episode Data for each character focuses on that characters story only. So the info is not unfocused. Good Day. - Zero - Talk 17:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I think he got his point across. I don't even need to comment. This discussion is over. Alex101313 - Talk 21:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

You might wanna pick your words better next time Zero, this comment makes you come across as someone who's a bit power hungry and short tempered. Omnibender - Talk 21:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Profile
Someone changed the profile pic here. Should we change it back? Other people might not like it because he's not turned toward us. However, I like it much better than the other one, because it's from book 3, with his new Avatar-clothes, and it's high quality. Puragus  Talk 19:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: Okay, someone changed it back, but could we still talk about this? I really think we should be looking for book 3 profiles. Puragus  Talk 19:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Some other suggestions:

We don't have to change anything, but I think we should at least discuss it. What does everyone think?

As long as the image isn't in the article already, any of these can go, though I like 2 and 4 better than 1 and 3. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I think 3 looks pretty good. Good lighting, from book 3, and you can see his face perfectly. AlexTalk 21:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

1 is not good since it is not complete. The others are good, chose any one of them if you must. - Zero - Talk 10:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Three does have a good lighting, but I'm not very fond of the angle of the image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I like 2 and 3 the best, especially 3. I realize his head is turned a little bit away, but I like the expression on his face. It's sort of like he's looking out at the world, now that it's at peace, and he feels content and peaceful and he's just taking in the beauty of the day. I see that picture and I think, "it's not the little kid Aang I'm looking at here, this is Avatar Aang, whose come out the other side of the war and he's just happy that everyone's at peace." (maybe that sounds weird, but that's the feeling I get off it.) Puragus   Talk 21:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I like the last three, especially 2 & 4. I understand 3 has very good lighting, and I like it, but I just think 2 & 4 look better. I also like the idea that we are using his current likeness as his new image. --SuperFlash101 00:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC) I do like the lighting in this picture. AlexTalk 00:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm split between 2, 3 and 4, I'm not gonna vote on this one. - Zero - Talk 06:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Inspired by Puragus' preview mishap, I previewed the article with each picture except for 1, and while I don't like the angle, the lighting more than makes up for it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

So if nobody objects, do I have permission to change the picture to image 3? AlexTalk 21:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd hold out for a few more votes (I know there are many already, but still, there may be more people with opinions). We can wait like a day. I'll change it tomorrow night. Puragus  Talk 21:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. AlexTalk 22:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Since no ones done it yet, I'll go do it. --SuperFlash101 01:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Superflash101, I must have spaced it. AlexTalk 02:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this vote was unanimous. This set of images really had no distinct differences about them. All were from "Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang". Energy bend  er  22:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Votes
Picture 1

Picture 2

Picture 3
 * 1) AlexTalk 00:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) SuperFlash101 01:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Puragus   Talk 03:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 01:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Energy  bend  er  22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture 4

Trivia
What is this doing in the main section of the article? Trivia must go at the end of the article. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 17:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I didn't put the word trivia there, someone else did, but I did make that part italicized to be an in-note and because I wasn't going to move it to trivia in case (which it probably would) it upset people and got me in more hot water. --SuperFlash101 17:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, this wouldn't. It's a valid edit. Trivia belongs in Trivia sections. I'll even defend you if you do get "in hot water". 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 17:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The Information is supposed to be classified as Trivia as long as it is written here because it does not concern Aang directly (This information is probably already stated in the Avatar And The Air Nomad Articles as well). That is the reason I wrote Trivia there. I did so because I was unsure whether I should remove the information or simply move it to a Trivia section at the bottom of the Article as we normally do. I did it only to highlight it. - Zero - Talk 18:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but the fact that's italicized tells it all. I removed the word trivia from it, sorry, it just makes it looks bad. --SuperFlash101 22:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Very well, so be it. But if even one other admin decides to make any changes to it, Whether it is removal, moving or adding Trivia to its head then you must not object any longer. - Zero - Talk 11:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not an admin but I created the Trivia section. There should not be any trivia in the main History section. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 11:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Much better now. - Zero - Talk 16:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if it would be appropriate to include a little trivia about Aang's appearance. After Aang was shot with lightening from Azula, he has two scars; one on his back where the lightening entered his body, and one on the sole of his foot (I forget which foot) where the lightening exited his body. Although you don't see the scar on his foot a whole lot during season three, if you look closely, he does have a scar there. Haefaciel 13:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought that it was there already, feel free to add. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Zuko Vote
when we voted on zuko's image omni you said that we should not give away him becoming fire lord yet it is ok for us to give away that aang becomes a fully realized avatar.Luvingazula - Talk 20:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

i was not saying to change it just wondering why.Luvingazula - Talk 20:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Zuko's image gives away he's Fire Lord really easy, not the case with Aang's picture, and even if I hadn't voted in the current picture, it would have been the one with most votes anyway. I'm still not fond of the picture it was chosen for Sokka, but I won't support a change again so soon. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

i'm no really bothered about aang's picture the only picture i want changed is the firebending one and maybe azula'sLuvingazula - Talk 20:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Bending Images
i added images of aang bending to each of the 4 elements. i did not add an energybending one because there is only one image of him energybenging and that is already on the page. I also done Toph and Katara. Zuko's was already done by Puragus. Luvingazula - Talk 20:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Azula was also complete but it was not easy. We don't see much of her bending in season 3 and if we do she is using enhanced bending which i don't want to add Luvingazula - Talk 20:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

i will hopefully finish adding abilitiy pictures next time i am on. Luvingazula - Talk 22:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Game Info
I don't think this has any place here. - Zero - Talk 04:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 04:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Plus it's positioning is all wrong. - Zero - Talk 04:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The game isn't canon. Doesn't belong here. Maybe we can create a sub-page, like we're planning to do with the movie version of Aang. Puragus  Talk 05:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A sub-page and haul of "main article" would work, but if this is a page for Aang, then we need to be fair and include all of his appearances, not just those that are considered canon. Just because him being there won't work with a storyline doesn't mean he didn't make an appearance. That's just my two-cents though. Joey  -  Talk Contribs 06:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This article should contain canon appearances only, because it is what actually happened to Aang. Appearances in other media should be in sub-pages, with a visible link. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Someone should tell Superflash not to add such info here. - Zero - Talk 14:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa, I had no idea you guys were the creators! I know you are admins, but that still doesn't give you the right to declare what's canon and what's not. That section will return, and to make you guys happy I'll add a stupid ambiguously canon tag on it, though there is nothing to justify it as not canon. It does not disagree with anything from the show, so its clearly if not mostly canon. It shouldn't not be there, I'm re-adding it, and no one should be upset because I will add an ambiguously canon tag (which is ridiculous, since it clearly is canon and does not contradict with the show) but whatever. And, Joey, thank you, at least someone actually gets it. Oh, and btw, since some people don't get what the ambig tag is actually, it's for subjects we don't exactly know is canon. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 20:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You know what, Superflash? This is exactly why you're not an admin right now. You generally do great work, but you go ahead and make major changes and additions like this without consulting the community. Then, when someone questions what you do, you fly off into a rage.

If you'll notice, nothing you wrote was deleted, just temporarily blocked off. We're only having a discussion, but instead of respectfully defending your position, you undo Zero's perfectly justified edit, add your own solution without anyone's agreement and expect us all to follow it. On the talk page, you call us all arrogant, yell over the computer screen about how justified you are and how ridiculous our position is. You are rude and easily and unjustifiably angered. I warned you before about this kind of behavior, but it seems like you have no desire to improve yourself. You continue to act entitled to your edits, when NO ONE has this position on a wiki.

Now, I'm going to explain why the video games are not canon; it comes from when the creators were asked about the characters from the Trading Card Game. They explicitly said that they were only involved in the main storyline and related materials. Now, this does create some problems with the canon; we don't know how canon most of the books and comics are, for example. But the video games, like the Trading Card Game, were licensed by Nickelodeon while the creators were busy making the show. If you examine when and how the games were released, it's pretty easy to see that the creators had nothing to do with them, even if they do sort of fit into the storyline. The tag you added said that info from the games is "ambiguously canon," yet you fail to mention why "ambiguously canon", or "mostly canon", to use your own words, information should be on Aang's main page.

Now, I'm going to once again explain my solution (nice job commenting on it, by the way. It's a perfect demonstration of your reading comprehension skills that you didn't even try to argue with this, and just acted like we were going to erase your work.) We add a section "Appearances in other media", that would contain a link to a sub-page that would have all this information. This page would cover all of Aang's actions in the video games. This solution makes sense, since it's what we're planning to do with the movie version of Aang; since Aang's appearance in the game is a version from other media, like the movie, it makes sense for us to treat it the same way. Puragus  Talk 22:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Look, please don't act as if I don't read. I, personally, feel that we have already decided we are not Wikipedia. No need for that section, when there is nothing to object the show's info in the game. And, well, I don't want to say it, since it's going to get me in trouble, so I just won'. I don't know if you've played it, but it was obviously canon. What made me upset is that you guys were dubbing it not canon, when do not have the power to say that. Yes, your are admins, but that does not make you crew members or creators.


 * I would like to point out what Joey said, but fix it. We are an encyclopedia on all things Avatar. You people seem to think that stops at the show, but that is so wrong it's not even funny. We need to start realizing this, but every time I say that you guys go and say it's not canon, when you have no reason for that, have never played it, or seem to think that it completely just contrasts with the show. It doesn't. If saying it's ambiguosly canon (which it isn't, it really is canon) doesn't work, then I can't see a compromise over that horrible Wikipedia thing with that section.


 * Finally, can you people stop say I yell when I talk like you all do? In the english language, in dialect, you must have an exclamation point or be capitalize. I feel so insulted when I calmly state something, and the next comment is "Superflash, this is all you ever do: yell." Please see my points, as all are valid and calm. Thank you.


 * — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 00:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Now, after reading your comment again, I'd like to fix the point in the canon thing. If you wish me to reword the tag, I will. Just tell me about it. I can also create a non-canon tag if you are 100% sure that it's not canon. Until then, the ambig tag should stick, if you guys agree that it should stay. As Joey said, it is still a part of Aang's life, no matter how the canon-scale goes. If you check other shows and subjects, there are several things with it that, while not being made by the creators, it's still included as canon. Canon means that it fits with the storyline. If it does, it is. Sorry. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 00:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your ideas with us. Create a Subpage for this information with a link to it on the Main Character Page. - Zero - Talk 04:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I despise subpages. They make no sense. And you didn't get a word I said, did you? Man, don't tell me we actually are making a subpage for the game info? That makes no sense. Man.... — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 19:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, about the movie Aang, bad idea using subpages. It's taky. Just say "Aang (The Last Airbender)" or "Aang (Movie)". Much better. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 19:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, I support making separate Aang pages. There should an "Aang (Movie)" page and an "Aang (Games)" page. The thing with sub-pages is that they are a little awkward to use on mainspace pages. However, I do not support putting non-canon info on a page that people rely on for canon information. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 00:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I skipped the wall of text so if I say something it was already said or ask something already cleared, bear with me. Since we already wanted to make a different page for movies, one for games makes sense to me, question is which type, either a subpage ( Aang/Games ) or another page altogether. If we list on the same page, it should go in a different section, kinda like Wikipedia's appearances in other media. Something that still bugs me is this: what exactly are we listing? Is this just a general plot overview or is it something verty detailed? The idea of having something akin to a "walthrough" definitely doesn't appeal to me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe we have agreed on Sokka's and Aang's talk page that we hate wikipedia. If we do that, I say we are just being ridiculous. If we do not include the game info (which, really, you guys have no real reason other then the indirect mention by the creators) in the article, then we should make not a subpage, but "Aang (Games)" and for the movies "Aang (Movie)" or "Aang (The Last Airbender." — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 01:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "Appearances in Other Media" would have made the most sense, but I'm really opposed to making the incredibly long Aang page even longer. I don't like subpages becaues it's awkward to use on mainspace pages (and it makes the article count deceptive). The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 01:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Triple-no, QUADRUPLE agreement, 888! Nice compromise! Pretty much the best. Just make "Aang (Games)" and later "Aang (Movies)" or "(The Last Airbender)". Subpages are just really taky and messes up the natural flow of the wiki. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 01:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok them, no subpages, but if that's the case, there really should be another page for movie and another for video game, but I also think that there's no need to make character pages longer than they already are. O.o Something just occured to me... O.O Oh no it's bad... What will we do with object and bending mentions when the movies come out? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Add them as regular pages but add (movie) to the name. For the bending stuff, create a new page like "Firebending in The Last Airbender" or something and have the new list, with a link to the page from Firebending (or whatever art). Simple enough?  Joey  -  Talk Contribs 02:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's pretty much the solution. Same page name, add "(Movie)". The 888th Avatar (Talk) 02:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good. Though doubt anything'll be different bending wise. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 02:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

According to the "Too Long" section, we've sort made this decision already, haven't we? The only difference is that we want to split it up for non-canonical purposes. Shouldn't we just keep it as one article? -- Energy bend  er  02:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I still think that this article (and some of the other main character ones) is too long. The fact that that post was my first talk page post ever on this wiki shows how strongly I felt about that. I've let that drop, because I'm obviously outnumbered. However, I don't want further sections (of which some, like a movie section will add 20kb at least to the article) to be added. I also don't like the idea of people coming to this page, having to scroll and scroll and scroll to finally find info about the movie. So we should make new pages for the movie info and for the game info. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 03:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I fully support this compromise. Also, I do think that the issue of articles being too long needs to be discussed at some point. Especially since I see legitimate places where this article could actually be expanded. Puragus  Talk 03:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, no bigger. But not smaller either. And I too agree with the Aang (Movie) and Aang (Game) Format. - Zero - Talk 03:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * End discussion tag? — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 19:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Airbending Images
These images are in this article. Aren't they somewhat repetitive? Shouldn't one be removed, or at least replaced? ―  T hailog  12:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the second one is better quality, we should have one to replace the first one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Just deleted the first one since it's no longer used and we have a better quality file. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

"Other skills"
In the other skills section, it says that Aang is an Aikido practicioner. Although some of the stances are from Aikido, the Martial Art behind Airbending is called Bagua, known for its circular movements, and dodging.

Shouldnt Aikido be changed to Bagua in this case? Kip336 21:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I wrote that section. I think I put it bad, I wanted to say that the technique that he use sometimes for defend himself is similar to aikido, no that the Airbending is based in the martial art of aikido. I am going to fix it now. Thanks. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 21:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Aang's style of avoid and evade is due to his Airbending training, I think a section for Aang's non-bending skills is a great call, if we can find them and properly document them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Although Aang is great, if you ask me there should have been a main character that was willing to fight harder. Like Toph, she was willing to take them down and if she was the Avatar, she would have beat him much easier because she wasn't scared to face.


 * O_o I was just looking through and reading, and I have no memory of writing this... it isn't my opinion at all. Tophvision 18:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry to add on to this but I think the Avatar isn't supposed to be like Toph. As he/she is suppose to be calm. Not battle thirsty.--89.242.127.40 16:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's me by the way I forgot to login and just realized a minute ago.--Inferuno Ryuu 16:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Then I read this. Why does it show up under my name, then? Tophvision 18:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate pics
I see we have two (identical) Aang and Zuko firebending pics. Just addinga note as I'm not into pic changes yet. -- Piandao Talk 20:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Where? I don't see any dupe images in the article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

HERE - but sorted several edits ago :)-- Piandao Talk 09:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Under Construction
Is the article still under construction? Should we have a featured article with UC on it? Piandao Talk 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Featured article status merely means that it has been showcased on the main page. Its quality award (A-class status) has already been stripped. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 11:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Did someone (*cough-888-cough*),not mention that FAs should be A-class ? :) Piandao  Talk 12:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The FA system is the older system. We don't promote FAs unless they are A-class now. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 12:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

And we don't remove from featured articles if they are no longer AC? It looks a little cranky to have a UC article on a FA that would not be FA under new policy/rules/regs ... It badly needs to be edited to reach FA, Aang is the most important character as Avatar Current. Piandao Talk 12:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * FA isn't very important, it's just a sign that it used to be pasted on the main page. A-class is important, and currently, this article does not hold that title. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 13:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Points Im making, just to be clear Ergo, this needs to be taken out of FA ...IMO ....Agree Y/N??
 * 1) FA should be A class (new rule) this is not (ref demoted)
 * 2) FA(Aang still is), that is UC (Aang is), should not be featured anyway


 * This was a discussion held on Forum:Featuring Articles. It was agreed that this would be the system. A-class is the quality standard. FA is a sign that the page has been transcluded on the main page. New FA's must be A-class, but the whole point of having two separate systems is so that the old FA's that don't make A-class can keep their stars. Basically "featured articles" are "read me, I'm interesting" articles, while A-class articles are "professionally written" articles. So no, this shouldn't be taken out of FA, because honestly, FA doesn't matter all that mcuh. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 15:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

So UC in a FA is okay. It's WIP (work in progress).. Not my idea of best practice - IMO If you disagree, I'm okay with it. Wondered if any others have an opinion. Piandao Talk 17:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured simply means it used to be on the main page, A-class is the thing an article like this shouldn't have, and that is why we demoted it. Vaznock - Talk 19:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with the difference between the two (from the start). - Should an article with a UC section be shown in FAs? Looks like it's just me that is uncomfortable with it.

Well, it happened long ago, so we cant un-feature it, because it already was featured. BTW, you can't demote FAs. Vaznock - Talk 21:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Really, a mistake (if made), can't be rectified? Piandao  Talk

Not when its already been posted on the Main Page. We can't change that. Vaznock - Talk 22:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I find that strange, and there must have been wikis that have fallen into that trap, It's pretty much hard to believe. Piandao  Talk 22:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the wiki didn't have as high standards as it does today, and the past can't be changed, and the past is all that matters for an FA (except for current and future ones, which will just end up being the past anyway). Vaznock - Talk 22:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I can not get it into my head that a featured article can not be removed. Apart from that you have the last word Piandao  Talk 23:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Then ignore it. Featured articles are, as the name suggests, articles that have been featured on the Main Page. Once done, removing it would be like lying. Do you want us to lie? - Zero - Talk 13:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

A Proposal
Fact: The Aang article is really, really long. Fact: The information is all very valuable. Solution: Put the information about Aang's life story in a page like "Aang's history" or something. (Actually, this might be a convention we would want to adopt for most of the main characters. Lenga-chan 19:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That decision has been taken recently, therefore, the process will begin in one of these days. Dcasawang1  -  Talk  19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it was decided; I was the proposer. Me and you = Wikipedian-like jerks :P Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 00:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you think we need images in the section of history? Dcasawang1 -  Talk  18:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. There should as well be more and less cluttered info in it. Plus, it should be designed more like this.  The Flash  {talk} 18:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article on Aang should not be designed more like that. The article on Fox Mulder has the very problems we have been trying to fix in Aang: It has a really, really long and detailed description of his history (and his relationships). The summary of Aang's history that we have now does need revision, but it should be only one or two paragraphs per section. But Dcasawang1 does have a point: There should be one or two images. Lenga-chan 18:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Who removed Aangpages?
I did. The links it provides are completely redundant. The links to the History of Aang pages are just there on the left above their respective summaries sections... And the link to Aang's Relationships is on the bottom. Do we need another link box to further clutter the article? ―  T hailog  15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)