Talk:Iroh/@comment-3278061-20110928165231/@comment-3278061-20111109035953

1.	Iroh got enough dialogue especially in seasons one and two however he did nothing to cement the fact that he was even with ozai other than zuko’s belief (which you seem to respect like a commandment or something) even though zuko has been wrong so many times you expect it. Again, we already saw pakku and bumi fight with respectable screentime. With that being said we needed to see piandao, jj, and iroh fight your telling me they couldn’t give iroh 30 seconds, please. 2.	Again, iroh had the opportunity to at least speak out against ozai but never ever did anything. The point is Dumbledore does more to solidify his power than iroh has. Did you forget that voldemort had the death eaters and horcruxes to counter dumbledore’s group and wand, the fight was rather even, dude had to resort to possessing harry. That alone says it all. As for grindelwald, we know that the wand was unbeatable, has iroh ever done something even comparable, NO. 3.	Audience can be wrong, that is why we go by what is seen. How characters treat him doesn’t really say much as other characters are treated and respected just as much (Zhao, Long Feng Azula, etc.). Also, Facts > Speculation, as a trained debater you should know that. 4.	Point blank azula, ozai, and jeong jeong generated their attacks much faster and more efficient that iroh, you can’t dispute this. 5.	Again, why are you putting so much emphasis on zuko becoming firelord as he won the title by default as iroh just gave it to him. Learn how to comprehend my friend chey was used as an example of how characters overinflate other characters they respect and admire. Also iroh proved he was inferior by pretty much letting ozai do whatever he wanted then dodged him every chance he got. Ozai on the other hand doesn’t even respect iroh and outright mocks him. 6.	 LOL. Azulon defended iroh because of circumstance his wording heavily suggest this. Azulon was pissed due to ozai’s lack of compassion as he seemingly didn’t care due to the timing of his request “directly after the demise of his brother’s only beloved son“ which is why he belittled ozai and showed such compassion for iroh. I strongly suggest you watch that episode again, as the great azulon best compromise was to have a child die because of ozai’s actions, a child that has his very blood in his veins. Now you’re reaching here, you suggest azulon doesn’t respect ozai so he doesn’t care if his own grandson is killed, what? For all we know azulon never showed any respect for anyone but iroh and according to azula, azulon wasn’t a very good firelord and has grown weaker. As a matter of fact iroh never says anything good about azulon, ever. The only time he mentioned him was that he failed to find aang during the premiere episode, some relationship they had huh? There seems to be some truth to this as he was easily killed and his greatest military feats were surpassed by both azula and ozai. Again, you have baseless speculation and moot points to support your laughable opinion. Never have I debated someone who heavily favors speculation/backstory instead of actual facts and shown feats. Azulon’s opinion is just as bad as your’s the guy wants to hinder his bloodline more, anyone with a brain would have just banished ozai. 7.	 Again, if azulon’s accomplishments were so great how comes only two were mentioned at his funereal, why is his page so short? Also if you watched the series you would know that after aang woke up it’s was stated there were only two strongholds left (which both fell during ozai’s reign) nowhere was it ever stated that two were left prior to azulon’s demise. You know that’s ozai ruled for 5 years after azulon died right? 8.	 What are you not getting? Do we know what jeong jeong’s rank is? No. Do we know how long either has been apart of the group? No. Do we know how OWL rankings work? No. To show how weak your argument really is bumi is twice as old as iroh, so according to you iroh even though we don’t know what bumi’s rank is, iroh looks more capable because bumi followed him. That’s just stupid, we just saw that bumi’s bending can level a city in minutes, stop attacks with his face, and hold his own against true masters. Bumi was even more capable of shattering the walls of ba sing se than iroh but the emphasis was given to him. 9.	 You seem to forget that zuko actually lost to katara and only bested her by catching her off guard with a powerful attack, pathetic for a firelord, eh? It doesn’t matter if they prepared for resistance fact is they lost to three teenage at their pinnacle of power and the numbers heavily in their favor. You seem to ignore the point I made where sokka was the only defense and he bested multiple imperial firebenders by himself. Again. Once iroh turns down the throne who else is there? I’ll wait….. 10.	So iroh, as powerful and as smart as you say he is he left his “son” to the mercy of ozai who clearly showed no compassion to him whatsoever, OK. Even though ozai banishing ”the dragon of the west” would be more important than harming a child, it would make ozai that much more feared and respected. But I find it funny he was so quick to help zuko in the zhao agni kai but with the ozai one he was as quiet as a mouse. Hmmmm, I wonder why? 11.	Again, making things up, you’re just mad because all you have is speculation to instead of facts. Nice joke by the way but if avatar had court they wouldn’t even let you in the building with this nonsense you seem so keen on employing. Your argument “well iroh seemed strong and a lot of people said nice things about him”, my argument “ ozai showed his abilities and under his reign the fire nation had more success than under azulon’s”, which holds more weight be honest and stop deluding yourself. Also iroh being at great leader what has he done other than failing in ba sing se for 600 days, do you forget that ozai’s daughter actually accomplished such a feat with less time and less resources. Oh yeah, that’s a fact too but you don’t seem to like those too much now do you. 12.	 Also writing decisions are cannon truths now I know you’re trolling, if the writers state over and over that ozai is the most powerful firebender then that’s what is. If they decide not to show something then it’s not really important. 13.	 Try again, you like iroh and really stretch the sh@t out of facts to make him look comparable to other masters. I like iroh and use actual facts to see where iroh truly meets his limitations. Once again, the butthurt sets in and I win this argument again. Did I ever say iroh wasn’t a top notch bender, No. All I said was he is inferior to ozai, jeong jeong, and azula due to feats. Sure people say great things about iroh, well that goes for these three as well. Roku stated how powerful ozai was and the importance of defeating him before the comet, zhao requested to learn from jeong jeong and stated how great he once was, ozai felt confident enough to have azula perform in front of azulon. See I can do what you did too. Did I ever say he was a bad general, No. I stated he wasn’t as good as people make him out to be. I find it funny you say that because magnusbeifong said that in the bumi thread where she went on and on trying to inflate toph with speculation while I stuck to my facts and won. I have an open mind but your love for speculation and character blind you. Good day.