Talk:Azula/Archive 1

Her first appearance was in the last episode of Book 1. If you don't remember, think about the last part!

"Iroh is a traitor and your brother Zuko is a failure. (Cut to a close up of Azula's face as she looks up at her father with a smile) I have a task for you! -Fire Lord Ozai"

See? -Anonymous

But
She is seen briefly in The Storm too when Iroh talked about Zuko's banishment. --Wargasm Reflex 19:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * She definitely was, she had a malicious grin on her face as he was being banished Felinoel 01:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think she's fourteen
I think she's fifteen isn't she? Where does it say she's fourteen?
 * It says she's fourteen at nick.com. She may have aged over the course of the series, but that's the age we're sticking with, because we don't know for sure. And please sign your name using four tildes, (the icon next to the words "sign your user name"). Puragus - Talk 13:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Fine! I'll sign my name, but she looks way older than 14! Master Waterbender 08:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

According to a book released by Barnes and Noble: A:TLA The Earth Kingdom Chronicles: The Tale of Azula, She did mentioned her age as 14. Easternborder

The only characters who probably look their age are Lo and Li. Omnibender - Talk 16:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Personality section needs editing
Especially the new stuff...towards the end. It elaborates too much on the scenes occurring in the finale. I think someone should tidy up the last few paragraphs dealing with Azula's deterioration into insanity, basically, make it more concise. Prove the point about her chara's personality and leave it at that. --Xuelian 22:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Where does she go?
After the finale I wanted to exactly know what had happened to Azula. And will she ever get back to normal?

She is presumably in prison or an asylum. It is highly doubtful that she ever recovers. --Xparasite9 03:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that she is in a Asylum Daniel 03:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm still wondering though, she still has her bending (which is still very powerful) so how long can she be held in a prison/asylum environment... that is unless Aang took her bending away, which is very unlikely... BHynes10 19:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would that be unlikely she would have deserved ~ Daniel 20:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * well, it just doesnt seem like Aang would just go around taking ppl's bending away... BHynes10 20:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * but it's not anyone it is Azula who would use her bending to kill any 0one and she would just be to powerful ~ Daniel 20:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we really trust Nick? They've been wrong loads of times about Avatar. ~ Horyo 14:32, 25, July 2008 (UTC)

When have they been wrong about one of their own shows?PhantomS 09:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Since they are the only source on the matter, I see no reason to doubt the site, if there were any other sources saying something else, then we'd need to look things more throughly. Omnibender 21:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It says on Nick.com that she was being detained in a high security "place" and was being watched around the clock, I think possibly by the Dai Lee. Master Waterbender 08:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Fire Lord (Overthrown before Coronation) Azula
If she was overthrown before coronation there really is no need to name her this... Felinoel 05:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, she was overthrown during the coronation. And unless the title is all that is available, they don't go as names. The 46th Earth King's page is under that name, Kuei's father's page is under 51st Earth King, but Ying (the one who had the monorails built) is under Ying, not XXth Earth King. Omnibender 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But she wasn't the Fire Lord ever apparently, so why give her this title? Felinoel 16:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

See my argument at Talk:Fire Lord. Omnibender 17:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * She was never the Fire Lord she was givin the title but was never CORONATED that mean she was never the FIRE LORD ~ Daniel 20:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * sigh* As I said in Talk:Fire Lord, it was decreed by Ozai that she was the new Fire Lord, she exercised the position, she was seen sitting at the Fire Lord's throne, all of which leads to her being the Fire Lord, just not officially. It's like Voldemort being the Minister of Magic in Deathly Hallows, he was the one making the rules, he was the leader de facto, but the guy at the Ministry was Pius Thickess or whatever his name was. Omnibender 23:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Voldemort was not Minister he was not called "Minister Voldemort" he was called "Lord Voldemort" Pius Thickness was Minisrer imperiused or not amd as for Azula she was not fire lord she was not CORONATED so it wasa not made official so don't call her fire lords ~ Daniel 05:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point, Voldemort never was elected or appointed as Minister, Thickess was, but the real one is charge of things was Voldemort. Anyway, irrefutable arguments were given at Talk:Fire Lord, Azula won't be listed as Fire Lord, but it'll be mentioned that she was overthrown during her coronation, everyone is happy and we can move on. Omnibender 16:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

When was Pius Thickness Minister of Magic?!? He was just a normal minister, right. PAGE NUMBER AND BOOK!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!!11!

During DH, after Scrimgeor is killed, Thickness is appointed as Minister of Magic, before that I think he was head of some Law related department. Omnibender 19:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

He headed the auror office ~ Daniel 22:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "all of which leads to her being the Fire Lord, just not officially" quote of Omni
 * Isn't "not officially" the only thing that matters? Felinoel 05:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

After she was chosen to be fire lord by her father she was still called Princess by her servants, Lo and Li, and the Dai Li ~ Daniel 07:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ozai left instructions for her to become Fire Lord as he would become the Pheonix King. In due process, her reign would start as soon as she was coronated; her sitting on the throne means that she is Ozai's regent, she does not assume the actual lordship until coronation- what's more, she bet the throne on the Agni Kai, which she lost.PhantomS 10:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but actual lordship is what we are counting, not unactual lordship felinoel ~ (Talk) 07:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Until they finished the coronation, she wasn't and isn't a firelord or any other position except princess. So no, she wasn't a firelord, but would have been if Zuko took longer to get there, but he didn't so nope. Thanks. Joey - Talk 07:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Joey. - Zero - Talk 07:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That's kind of what I meant too- Ozai did leave her in charge of the Fire Nation, but the title of Fire Lord wasn't hers due to the stunted coronationPhantomS 09:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Good. Then we are in agreement. - Zero - Talk 09:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Her Firebending
Has anyone noticed that as she lost her mind she used her hands to firebend instead of her fingers? And if she was so crazy how could she maintain blue fire? CoasterKing 13:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that. I think she kept the blue fire cause she still had the "I must be perfect and deadly" mentality. The one thing that surprised me was that she could still use lightning, she was much worse than Zuko in book one. Omnibender 15:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did she still use her full hands for lightningbending? Felinoel 18:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually no. She used her fingers but if you noticed as she was generating it the lightning was all over the place and took longer for her to generate it. And I don't think she was worse than Zuko in book one because he was just bad!CoasterKing 18:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, because I always figured you had to use your fingers for lightningbending Felinoel 18:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it. I think it took longer for her to create it because she was pissed off because Zuko teased her, all the other ones were generated rather quick. Omnibender 18:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I really felt bad for her though when she started getting crazy and when she cried. It was kind of sad. CoasterKing 18:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I agree I also felt bad for her when she started bawling, she sounded like a little child to me. Scott 23:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I really like psycho Azula during the Agni Kai: her face just before her first fire blast, "I'll show you lightning!" (her face is so insane), the laughing just before she starts running after Katara after Zuko goes down just before the scene changes to Ozai vs Aang (her movements right here somehow remind me of one of Aang's dance moves in The Headband), "I really rather our family physician to look after little Zuzu if you don't mind" *shoots lightning*. And of course, jet pack Crazula when pursues Katara. Omnibender 23:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I beleive that even if Azula was crazy her power level was still high enough to generate blue fire, plus it may be a reflection of her own spirit (as the Dragons showed Zuko) as part of a 'spectrum' of sorts. As for the lightning, the only reason I can think of for people using fingers and not hands is only because of accuracy- the same reason Firebenders almost always use their fists when shooting fireballs (compared to an open hand, which would spray the fire needlessly). Iroh uses his fingers to accurately hit the Fire Nation banner on the Earth King's Palace, for instance.PhantomS 14:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Mental health patient
(That is mentioned at nick.com) ^^^Quote by Omni My apologies then Felinoel 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Could someone do me a favor
Would someone put a picture of azula about to have the fire lord hair thing put on her head in the article, cause i have a fan group on a website and A picture of that would go ncely but i cant find one...

We would if we had one. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Omnibender 23:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I added one now, thanks Joey - Talk 07:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

New Profile Pic


I feel a little like I'm inviting trouble so I'm hesitant to ask, buy does anyone like this pic for a new profile image? It's from season three, it shows her entire face (unlike the one now, which has her face turned), it's got an evil and cunning look, and it shows her in an authority position with the two guards in the background. What do people think? Puragus  Talk 07:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

''Evil. Pure... Unadulterated... Evil... (Screaming: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA).'' Lets do it. - Zero - Talk 08:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer that the lighting be a little less bright. Other than that, it looks good. AlexTalk 13:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the lighting bright. Why don't you, Alex? It shows it better and therefore is better quality. --SuperFlash101 15:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I like it, it has everything Puragus already said, and the slightly blurred guards only make her look more self assured or in control. Omnibender - Talk 16:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I just think her face is a little too bright, that's all. AlexTalk 16:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well then, it seems most people are agreed. I'll put it up. Puragus  Talk 17:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

How about this image under the firebending section? . Other than that, I think there should be a permanent editing block on this article. This article is pretty much flawless. (209.2.60.95 22:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC))

WOW! An unregistered user suggesting a permanent edit block to preserve the article? Well, if the bad extreme exists I guess so does the good extreme. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, there should never be a permanent editing block. No piece of writing in our world is flawless. Secondly, the profile image was decided, and it will stay that way. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 05:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's worth suggesting ;) I mean for a such a complicated character as Azula, I felt the article is spot on. Even the profile pic is a great pic. I was suggesting adding my pic to the firebending section, not as the profile pic.


 * Very well. Add. The 888th Avatar - Talk 02:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

user :24.238.83.118
he removed info box watch out for him Lovingazula 21:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

how did she do that
in the boiling rock part 2 when she is fighting zuko and sokka she goes into some what a press up postion with her legs straight Lovingazula 16:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Benders are usually quite acrobatic. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

But is that actually posiable for someone like azula to do you'll need alot of strength and balance. the balance part yes but the strength part Lovingazula 16:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering the training benders have to go through, I think it quite possible. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

she does not even twitch her legs are so straight Lovingazula 16:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If someone's a Firebending prodigy and had been training since she was very young, I would think that she would be good. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

yes true but she is fighting zuko and sokka not to mention she junps into the press up postion then hold enn swings her legs forward Lovingazula 16:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

got to go be back in 1 hour winter solstice is on nick 1 hour special Lovingazula 16:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Lovingazula, just watch it online. Here's a link. -- Energy bend  er  17:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

what she did reguires alot od muscle enduranc and strength Lovingazula 18:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe its called the split. It takes years of training but since Azula was a prodigy it was easy for her. - Zero - Talk 18:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

where did you find that out Lovingazula 18:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought it is only partly the split. Anyway. The point is that this move is possible through training. The Split, I got from Kung Fu Panda, the movie. But I do believe that it is an actual position. - Zero - Talk 18:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, all of this is covered in "Other Skills" in the "Abilities" section. Azula and Zuko obviously had a lot of physical training along with Firebending. Puragus  Talk 22:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, remembering that Firebending is the most aggressive of the four bending arts...The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with it. I think if they only had training in Firebending, they wouldn't be able to do things like run across walls, sneak into fortresses and support their body weight with only their arms. In fact, the creators said that Azula learned most of her acrobatics because she stuck around Ty Lee, and she knows knife throwing because she's friends with Mai. Puragus  Talk 19:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Where?
People keep saying in nick.com it states she is a mental health patient, but where does it state that?Vaznock 17:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Remember to sign your posts, Vaznock. The 888th Avatar - Talk 17:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I can get you a link. Just give me a minute........ AlexTalk 17:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, the link doesn't work for some reason, so I just copied the text from nick.com. It says and i quote:

"After Zuko defeated her in the Agni Kai, Azula was shipped off to a mental health facility on a nearby island where she is supervised around the clock." AlexTalk 17:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I serve witness that this is the actual text. - Zero - Talk 18:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've seen it, and I'm never on the Nick site. The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The Flash nature of Nick's site doesn't allow direct links, to source something there, you need to put the main link and give the directions on how to get there. The mental health thing is from characters section of the last two episodes, which were combined in one single "episode dot" in the site's map. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Profile Picture
I think we should use a different picture for Azula's profile. The picture we already have is great, but I really like the one when she is in the throne room and her blue flames are burning behind her.Vaznock 20:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, the current picture already has all the caracteristics we use to define profile images, plus the current image was chosen in a voting already, it's not going to change anytime soon. And that image is already used elseqhere in the article. We never use repeated images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Your right. Didn't see that.Vaznock 22:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

new profile image anyone? 84.13.37.35 17:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

there are better pics tahn this one 84.13.37.35 17:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You lost your change, in a section above, it was agreed by members of the community to keep the current one, please do not insist. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

i was suggesting not insisting 84.13.37.35 17:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh Oh
Hey, um, I think we've got another vandal dude! I think he is now calling himself, vandal12345the3rd. 24.238.83.118 20:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, its me vaznock, i forgot to log in. Vaznock 20:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

spelling
watch spelling i found youn in the article when it is supposed to be young Luvingazula 18:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

release
zuko said to his father (his time in here would redeem him) not actual words meaning he will be released and i think azula will also get realesed because i believe zuko loves his sister more than he shows Luvingazula 18:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly. He said, and I quote, "Banishing me was the best thing you could do for my life. It put me on the right path. Perhaps your time in here can do the same for you." Note the perhaps. Also remember that Zuko was all for killing Ozai and it was Aang's decision to spare his life by just taking his bending away. So I believe we can safely say that there is no Love lost between the two. As for Zuko and Azula. Zuko may have some minute feelings for his sister. But Azula doesn't. - Zero - Talk 05:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Is she actually all that powerful?
She's undoubtedly intelligent and quite gifted as a Firebender but she actualy seems to be quite a poor fighter. She never actually succeeds in killing anyone, she was easily bested by Ty Lee and and was incapable of fully defeating either Zuko or the relatively inexperienced Aang. She's my favourite character but I question her status as a Firebending prodigy. --86.135.165.198 14:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

what? Ty Lee suprised her in the boiling rock. Killing someone is not easy and she is the only person ever to come close to killing aang. Zuko has improves alot over the series but ay the start she could beat him without bending. In the end she was so much mentally instable her bending suffered Luvingazula 15:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I can explain the killing: Avatar is a show on nickelodeon. Would they really have somebody die on a kids network? AlexTalk 15:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

killing is not shown on camera but jet died zhao dies lu ten died the list goes on Luvingazula 15:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about on-screen deaths. Like Jet and Zhao had to be confirmed by Mike and Bryan so it's not like it was majorly obvious that they died. AlexTalk 15:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

thats what i was talking about too. Luvingazula 16:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Personality section
The next person to add the section about Azula's "narcisstic complex" or whatever it was will face blocking by the administrators. Don't do it. The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why not? It's a simple statement of fact. Don't tell me you have a pretentious NOR policy like Wikipedia. --86.130.124.227 23:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to block anyone for adding it. Where was it decided that it's untrue, and that we should block anyone who adds it? Puragus  Talk 23:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Azula has that complex, she'd be all "I'm the best, I'm beautiful" all the time is she was, she wouldn't admit she's not top anything, and taking in consideration interviews with Mike and Bryan available at Avatarspirit that the reason she recruited Mai and Ty Lee is because they had skills she didn't, she wouldn't admit that if she was a narcissist. She wouldn't also practice like there was no tomorrow in the beginning of season two. The reason we're so against adding it is because anons just come here and add it without even explaining (not all, just the vast majority), and any addition to the page should be discussed so that the community is ok with it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Omni, Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a lot more than just vanity and laziness. From the article:


 * Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."

If you ask me, that fits Azula pretty well. Yes, even the "need for admiration" part. Puragus  Talk 17:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Particularly the need for admiration part. Thanks for your support Puragus, I think the problem here is that people just have a dislike of psychology for some reason. --86.130.124.227 13:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

No, we dont dislike psychology. But you seem to have skipped a few english classes. If this was Technical Writing then your edits would have been deemed valid but this is General Writing geared towards a general audience. So technical terms are out of the question (That comes in Technical Writing which is geared towards a specific type of audience). - Zero - Talk 13:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot about this discussion. Thank you, Zero, that's why I kept undoing the edit. I do not deny the factual accuracy of the paragraph; however, not everyone on Avatar Wiki is a psychologist. We must direct this writing at everyone. Also, the rest of the paragraph that was inserted was repeated information. That is why I threatened a report to administration for the next person to add the paragraph. The 888th Avatar - Talk 13:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I propose a compromise. How about, in Azula's personality section, we include a description of the symptoms of the complex, as they relate to Azula, without actually mentioning it my name, but also including a link to the article on Wikipedia hidden in there in the same way we have a link to Divine RIght of Kings in there.

In my opinion, the information is valid, but it should not be at the top of the page, which should just serve as a general introduction. Puragus  Talk 16:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree upon consideration that it shouldn't go at the top of the page but I still think ta reference to her narcissism should be included. The term narcissistic complex can actually refer to any type of narcissism, it doesn't refer to a specific type though I think that if we include a link to an article on Wikipedia, it should be NPD as that's the one she exhibits criteria the most similar to. --86.151.92.158 16:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. What do you think, 888? - Zero - Talk 17:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll allow a description of narcissism without actually saying that word, and a link to narcissism, as long as information is not repeated. The 888th Avatar - Talk 00:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "I'll allow"? Surely you mean "I support".


 * If the personality section already states this information in so many words, perhaps we should simply rewrite said information to be more concise and to allow for a nicely-placed link. Puragus   Talk 00:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you think it needs to be more concise, then why not? The 888th Avatar - Talk 00:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why can't the word be mentioned? Is there a He Who Must Not Be Named thing going on here? --86.151.92.158 11:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's likely to confuse younger readers; also, that's the terms of the compromise, if you don't want to accept them, well...the debate continues. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

888 has a point, but so does the other side. Oh, what to do? - Zero - Talk 16:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Do we really have to pander to younger readers? Surely when they read words they don't understand they can go and ask their parents about them and thus become smarter by the learning of such. --86.171.200.115 16:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes we do. And do you really think kids will want to admit they don't know something to their parents? More likely they will try to surf the web and who knows where that might lead them. - Zero - Talk 16:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

There's another reason not to actually say it: we don't know for sure that it's exactly what she has, it's just that her symptoms seem to fit, and it's a good way to explain and give context to her mental problems. You see, the section where we link Azula's "divine right to rule" to Divine Right of Kings is like that. The actual, real-world belief may be different from her exact beliefs, but it helps give context for the reader. You see how it would be more helpful and accurate to do it the same way for this? Puragus  Talk 16:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

You do have a point. But remember that psychology is a very complex science. Are we qualifies to make such obsevations much less diagnose the people. I for one am not even though I have had psychology for one semester and even my sister isn't who has studied it for two years straight in A-Levels. We'd need a Psychologist. Graduated and with a degree who could do it. Remember there is a reason why it is a crime to impersonate a doctor. Any Doctor. - Zero - Talk 17:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly the point I'm making: we're not qualified to know for sure, and I doubt even a psychologist would know for sure unless they put her on the chair. That's why we should have a link without saying the name: we can see that she exhibits some symptoms, which we can list, but the link is just there to give the reader some guidance and context. We won't be saying "this is definitely what she has", just "here's some symptoms she has, and here's an article that might shed some light". Puragus  Talk 17:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Its tricky. It could backfire. - Zero - Talk 17:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Good lord, anyone would think we were handling Premium Grade Plutonium. --86.171.200.115 18:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

lol, I know right? I can't say I'm not guilty of it. It's just the way things are when you're dealing with fans into a show enough to become admins on its wiki. Zero, I don't see how it could backfire. And even if it does, the pros outweigh the cons. Puragus  Talk 19:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why do we have objections to listing the symptoms and not mentioning by name? The reasoning for not including the name is valid - this is a kid's show, and thus the level of writing included must be understandable by any English reader in the world. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 00:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. It feels wrong. Whenever I get these kind of vibes something bad happens. But if you guys feel it's the right thing to do, then do it. Just be absolutely sure that it is done right, okay? - Zero - Talk 04:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, Zero. You're not paranoid. The world really is out to get you. --86.151.92.158 11:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thats not a very nice thing to say. - Zero - Talk 11:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The feeling comes from my conscience as well as my intuition. I've learned to trust them. Of couse I would understand If you dont get such feelings. - Zero - Talk 12:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I liked the idea of the compromise. We list the symptons, and then we add to the trivia or notes section "Azula fits this syndrome/complex" with a link to wikipedia. We're not stating she has it, and we leave the info for those who want it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Omni. Still any objections? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And also, Mr IP, we'll refrain from making remarks like that. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 14:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. The only thing we can say for sure is that Azula is a sociopath since she shows no regrets for all the evil stuff she's done, she has shown other symptons as well like lying without getting caught by Toph who's ablilty to tell who's lying is like lie detector test. The rest, we can't say for sure. But if you guys think different then go right ahead. And dont worry 888. I got back at him even though he doesn't know about it. - Zero - Talk 14:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What? It was a harmless joke! --86.171.200.115 16:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

You all should have seen the facepalm I just gave myself after seeing these last few comments. Can we not all snip at each other in this discussion? Zero, can you please just rise above any insults and not let them effect your behavior on this wiki? 888, please don't boss around the anonymous users. If they do something wrong, just politely inform them so they can do better. Mr. Anonymous IP, I realize you intended to only make a joke, but please realize that other people can take your words the wrong way. Now, let's all get along.

Frankly, this discussion has been gone on for long enough. No one here seems to be majorly opposed to making some kind of change, except Zero, and even he's said he's willing to deal. So I'm just going to do it. In a few hours (I don't have time right now) I'm going to go ahead and add the information to the personality section, along with a link. If people don't like something, we can make changes. Problems can be solved. Just talking about the problem is not solving anything anymore, so it's time for action. Puragus  Talk 17:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't insult anyone, atleast not openly. And I'm not ready to deal, as you say, I'm ready to conceed. Get your observations straight for goodness sake. Oh and It's nice to have you back Puragus. Things were getting hectic yet boring around here with only me and Omni being the only sysops working. - Zero - Talk 17:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I never said you insulted anyone. From what you said, it's pretty apparent you let someone's insults get to you. That's harmful to the discussion, and I'm asking you to just let things go in the future, or else assert yourself in a more productive way. I don't know the difference between deal and concede, but whatever you wanna call it is fine by me. I thought I was complementing you on your willingness to let things go forward. Those last two sentences sound like a veiled criticism, so I'm just going to say that I was watching things go on, intervened when necessary, and came here when I could. Puragus  Talk 17:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

They were not. I make sure to italic sarcasm. And I thought you knew me better than that. This is calm for me. And I'm not changing. - Zero - Talk 17:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

And this is pretty angry for me, so I'd like to calm down, call a truce. Incidentally, I added the paragraph (didn't take me as long as I thought). It obviously needs improvement, and I'd like to incorporate other parts of the personality section into it, but it's a nice start, in my humble opinion. I need to ask: can someone put the last sentence into a "Notes section" with a ref leading there? You know, like Omnibender said? Because I have no idea how to do it. Puragus  Talk 17:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

You were angry? I didn't even notice. LOL. Anyway I think that the brackets are used for that. I may be wrong though. - Zero - Talk 18:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Questions
Do you think Azula ever loved zuko?

Do you think Azula will recover and reconile with Zuko?

Does Zuko love Azula? Luvingazula 16:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you already know the answers to those questions, so I'm just gonna say this: "Go. Away." - Zero - Talk 17:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

i am only carring out a survey Luvingazula 17:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Go. Away. - Zero - Talk 17:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, this needs to stop, Luvingazula, you were already told once not to keep questioning people about Azula, this is not the place to do it, if you want to keep asking those questions, create an account in an Avatar board or forum. Zero, I agree with you, I just think you have to have a bit more of touch with these matters, it's a pain but we can't be rude. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't being rude. I was quoting Enma. LOL. - Zero - Talk 18:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my bad then. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL. - Zero - Talk 18:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

it is alright for him to be rude but when i say go away to someone i am warned with a block Luvingazula 18:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm hello? Please read my second last post again if you havn't already. Oh and... Go. Away. - Zero - Talk 19:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

your not even funny 'I was quoting Enma' hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahh Luvingazula 19:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC) i forgot yuor an admin you can get away with something i would not Luvingazula 19:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Whatever. Besides I wanna see how you like an adaptation of the taste of your own medicine. Now... Run along. - Zero - Talk 19:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

so your going to annoy me ok you do that Luvingazula 19:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

how is she being kept in an mental institute. what is zuko doing to make her not escape? Luvingazula 19:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

That's enough. Omni warned you against this stuff. Now I'm at the end of my rope. So back off. - Zero - Talk 19:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

no i am being serious me and vasnock are disscussing this and we cant get to a conclusion Luvingazula 19:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

we are just interested Luvingazula 19:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

we have reached a conclusion the only way we will ever know is if the creators make a new series with azula still included in the plot Luvingazula 19:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Luvingazula, if you know what's good for you, you will stop talking before you get blocked....again. AlexTalk 20:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

OK PEOPLE, cool your jets. I'm not fond of the ever present Azula talk, I find it annoying, and while the subject of how she's being kept in a mental instituition is interesting to a certain extent, there is no info available on it, to the point we just mention she's in a mental instituition. Therefore, any discussion on the matter, while interesting, will be pointless and fruitless, since we can't add information based on speculation. Zero, please, even if you feel like ripping things to shreads out of annoyance, don't. Luvingazula, as I pointed out before, stuff like this, unless actually useful or possible to put in an artilce, should be kept in a board or forum. I'm ending this issue now, this is the last I want to hear about this issue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Very good. Omnibender, I would give you a high-five except that would be kind of hard in cyberspace. AlexTalk 20:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

ok i see no one likes me Luvingazula 20:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ugh! Your missing the point Luvingazula! AlexTalk 20:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

am i. or is it just that nobody cares what i have to say Luvingazula 20:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not that nobody cares, is that your insistence at talking about the subject makes it tiring and boring, you don't know when to stop, give the subject some time, if people want to talk about, they will. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

it is just when i tell some one to go away it is 'be respectful' and get warned with a block but when someone higher up says it he just gets told nicley that he should not Luvingazula 20:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that's exactly how life can be. Think of it this way; if you were working at an office, would it make more sense to tell your boss to go away, or your boss telling you to go away? AlexTalk 20:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

he hids it in a joke so he gets away with it. or is it because you like zero Luvingazula 20:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, I'm not one to take sides. I have nothing against you or anything for Zero. I'm just trying to be the conflict resolution system here. AlexTalk 20:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

alright i am quoting Enma 'Go Away' Luvingazula 20:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry omni Luvingazula 21:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, Luvingazula, but this really needs to stop. I've already told you this on your talk page. You need to stop asking everyone about Azula, because I am one of the very few people who will respond with patience to such questions. Feel free to ask me questions, but if other users don't like it, you have to stop asking them these questions. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I had heard of fans like him but this is the first time I've actually encountered one. Anyway. I'm steering clear of such discussions from now on. I'm only going to respond on important discussions. - Zero - Talk 12:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry to everyone i have annoyed. i am not justifing what ive done but i just want to know what evryone else thinks about azula. Luvingazula 16:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

hey guys I'm a very timid user and I HATE confrontation but I was just wondering what is so wrong about what lovingazula is doing. I know it may annoy you but still its not like they are doing anything that could hurt this wiki or upset other users. I just think some people are taking this a bit to far. Vaznock 20:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a new forum for such a purpose. Please refrain from continuing to post such questions on talk pages. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

New Proflie Pic 2
i am not insisting that a new proflie pic is needed but will it be changed soon. Luvingazula 17:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No. It's perfectly fine the way it is. And the one you want, with Azula in the blue flames, would be difficult to use because it lacks identifiably for Azula. Puragus  Talk 17:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

i did not say i wanted that one or anyone infact. Luvingazula 17:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I confused you with someone else. Puragus  Talk 18:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

ye you confused me with vaznock. how about a vote for a new pic? Luvingazula 19:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

how about a vote for a new pic? Luvingazula 20:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No. The pic is fine. I dont really see ay problem with it. So my point of view is No. - Zero - Talk 11:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Read the new policy page. You must get people to second and third your proposal, which you clearly will not get because we only just changed the image. The 888th Avatar - Talk 11:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Dai Li
Are the Dai Li her allies or enemies? Dcasawang1 18:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

well at the end she banishes them so they are her enemies. however up until that point they are her allies Luvingazula 19:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

what is this
what is this called and how did azula do it?

Luvingazula 21:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what they are called. But, we do them for physical training in ROTC. Mattkenn3 Talk 22:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I know I've seen this in gymnastics, I don't know the name in English, but it's either a "stop" or a "strength exercise". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Archive
I think the page has reached a large enough size to archive. What do other people think? AlexTalk 20:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

ye it has gotten long. i would say yes. lets see what others think first.Luvingazula 21:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty then. AlexTalk 22:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)