Talk:Earthbending

which one of the styles arte strongest

There is no strongest style. Each bending art has its own advantages and disadvantages. Avatar2097 14:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It is the level of skill of the bender that detemines strength in the Avatar World.Zero 08:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Metalbending
Is there a source for the explanation for Toph's metalbending? I don't think it's the unrefined earth in the metal - I think it's the metal itself. Metal comes from processed ore which is dug from the earth.


 * You can try Nicks Avatar site, select season two, find the episode The Guru, select Gear and More, then click on the metal box, the explanation they give for Metalbending is there. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

When Toph discovered her abilities it's shown that she can notice the trace elements in the metal by touching it. I'd guess that she can't bend naturally pure metals like gold,silver or platinum, but because she doesn't see she can manipulate any processed metal, none of which are pure. Other Earthbenders depend on sight, where of course they couldn't see the trace metals on the rig. PhantomS 07:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Although he can be wrong, Doesn't the Guru say though metal is a special kind of earth? 123.211.47.94 13:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Pathik only says that metal is earth that has been processed/purified by fire. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Bonebending
We should remove bonebending because there is no proof or explenation from the show and therfore just speculation that may or may not come true.

I think all four kinds of bending could have potential for controlling people: Bloodbending for water (the only one confirmed), Bonebending for earth, Soulbending for fire, and, um... Oxygenbending or whatever for air. Y'know, bending the oxygen inside the blood cells or whatnot.

Also by mixing all four, Avatars could also Fleshbend: Create human bodies out of nowhere and control them like puppets. Creepy.

And that's all speculation, which doesn't belong here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure doesn't, just felt like pointing it out. And this is the talk page anyway: I'm sure we can speculate all we want in the talk page, no?

Can we? I always thought that talk pages role was limited to discussing canon facts and the like. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Huh, I always thought they were also for asking questions and making guessed and stuff. After all, there isn't really much to discuss about canon, since there's always the Exact Correct Answer and everyone else is just wrong. That'd be just boring, debating about those.

Where did you come up with this idea of bonebending!? It does not make sence at all. Also how could a firebender soulbend? A waterbender could just controll your intire body because the human body is roughly 70% water. Scott 00:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't bother replying, those messages have been there for quite a while now, they were there long before I became a lurker here, I have more contributions in this Wikia as an IP address that as a registered member. The idea does make sense though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

That was you before you made your account? Also did you see the new abridged vid? Scott 01:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, according to the page history, that entry is from February this year. And I have not seen it. Yet. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It would kinda make sense if Earthbenders could control people.In that one episode on the coal rig(forgot name) the Earthbenders could bend coal which is Carbon.They could bend the carbon in the body or Calcium in bones. Just a suggestion.Omepha 16:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The thing with Earthbenders is that most of them see with their eyes and feet, while Waterbenders feel water (the push and pull). Bones are never seen, plus they are made out of calcium and calcium compounds and not earth. There is hardly enough earth in the human body compared to water to control. As for carbon, it's part of organic material and isn't in pure form (coal and diamonds are pure carbon).PhantomS 07:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

If Toph can bend the trace earth particles in Metal to bend the metal itself then the same can be done with bones. However, It is clear that this would be a highly difficult technique. Possibly akin to metalbending. - Zero - Talk 08:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Bone has both organic and inorganic components, so Bonebending is conceivable, since calcium is an inorganic component, it's a mineral. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sections
Shouldn't there be a section explaining enhanced Earthbending, like they have in Fire and Water? Earthbending is stronger during springtime. There should also be a section for Spirituality and Earthbending, to give more emphasis in the more spiritual part of the origin of Earthbending, the whole Oma and Shu meeting themselves with the glowing crystals. Just so the articles have a more even look. 189.4.243.36 19:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Every Nation gets its bending slightly enhaced during its season so i dont thik it should be mentioned in that category.Zero 22:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

sandbenders
sandbenders seem like tusken raiders

That's a coincidence.--Munkiman 00:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe that was their inspiriation. Zero - Talk 08:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No one has written in this section for a while but those reading this might want to alert some others. There is a definate error in this page in terms of the "Alternate Styles" for earthbending being characterised as 'Sandbending' and 'Metalbending' in the boxes below the main image at the top of the page; yet according to the sub-headings further down sandbending is a "special skill" and only metalbending is categorised on its own as being an "alternate style". I am going to shorten the box by removing sandbending as an alternate style. Should anyone disagree with this decision, please consult me first before you undo the change. --Yin&amp;Yang 14:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sense Vibrations
I think we should add that any earthbender is capable of sensing vibrations in the ground, like Toph can. Aang did it in The Runaway, so it seems to be possibly for others besides Toph. But "vibration sensing" is a stupid name. Anyone have a better name for the technique?--Munkiman 00:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A mention to it could work. It would seem that Earthbenders can sense the vibrations through the earth, but few are able to use them to their fullest extent. Aang can use them to fight blindfolded, Toph can do that and use the vibrations to pinpoint trace amounts of earth in an alloy, thus Metalbending. How does that sound? Omnibender 00:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be called "Detection" thats too vague, and Omni said he didn't like "Tremorsense" because it was fan-ish sounding, which I don't agree with, unless thermokinesis sounds fan-ish, because I think they are similar in that they both explain what is being done and are mildly scientific in it, while not being vague felinoel ~ (Talk) 23:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

How about "Earthbending Sensory Perception". Zero - Talk 03:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * idk, that seems a bit too large... felinoel ~ (Talk) 03:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you have to be so Choosy? I've seen larger. Seriously. 03:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it seems too much, the places you have seen larger were other cases, this is this case, what do others think? felinoel ~ (Talk) 05:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Its not that large but okay if everyone says it. Lets see what the others say. However there dont seem to be other ideas put forward. Come on. Be creative guys. Zero - Talk 06:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd lose the Earthbending in the title, the technique is already within Earthbending, so putting Earthbending in the title would be redundant. "Sensory Perception"? Still missing something... Maybe "Seismic Sense"? It is fairly accurate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Losing Earthbending makes it sound much better in my opinion, makes it shorter too felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But what about "Seismic Sense"? "Sensory Perception" still leaves it open about how the sensation is perceived, seismic already takes your mind to ground and movement. Omnibender 01:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer Sensory Perception, but when you put it like that I can understand why Seismic Sense would work better, but when you put it that way it makes me wonder why not Tremorsense felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok but not Tremorsense. It just doesnt sound right. Zero - Talk 08:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any particular reason why? felinoel ~ (Talk) 21:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I could properly word why I rather have seismic sense instead of tremor sense. I don't know, it just doesn't... connect? I think it's like one of the recent additions to the article, I don't remember who (maybe Zero or felinoel), but someone added "Extreme Distance Earthbending" to the article, a mention to both Aang's and Bumi's display of Earthbending away from earth, the name is right but it doesn't sound right, I changed it to "Remote Earthbending", which still applies, and no one complained about it (at least not as far as I remember). Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the reason why I like tremor sense, is because just that is happening, Toph senses the tremors, thats what those white circles are, tremors in the earth from people disturbing it by walking on it felinoel ~ (Talk) 01:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I get what you're saying buddy but it just doesnt sound right. Also, I can say she is sensing the vibrations of the earth. I mean face it she says it herself and tremors and vibrations are not that different, meaningfully speaking. Know what I mean? Zero - Talk 11:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Also tremors are mostly related to earthquakes. And it reminds me of that movie series. They called them tremors because of the way they moved, like a mini earthquake. Ever watched it? Zero - Talk 11:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting point, yea I guess Seismic Sense is bettter, and I am not sure if I have seen this series you never gave its name? felinoel ~ (Talk) 17:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Tremors. That's the movie series' name too. Tremors 1, 2, 3 and 4. There may be more. Zero - Talk 08:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

So everyone agrees on "Seismic Sense"? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Its Ok. Go ahead. - Zero - Talk 05:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I know it says that this discussion is closed but I don't care I'm making a comment. Whoever came up with Earthbending Sensory Perception was onto something but the problem was they took out the earthbending instead of taking out he sensory. Toph says herself that she sees through earthbending...not through her senses. Therefore instead of sensory perception it should be something like Earth Perception, Vibration Perception, Tremor Perception or something that refers to the fact that she is using earthbending (to sense vibrations) rather than her senses to "see". I'm not on this site very often but if anyone sees this comment please share your opinion because this discussion should be reopened because Siesmic Sense sounds cheesy and...just weird and kinda dumb. I totally agree that it sounds a bit silly. Only because it's too "Spider Sense"ish. However, aesthetics and what something sounds like should always come second to it's function and practicality. What do we call an instrument to measure waves in earth? A seismometer/seismograph, the "waves" that the artist uses to show Toph "seeing" are seismic waves. So it would only make sense that "seismic" be in the name.
 * In almost one year, you're the only who ever complained. Seismic sense is neither cheesy nor dumb, it's accurate. I don't think many will back you up on this matter. Also, you don't get to change the name just because you don't like it, you hold no more power than the community. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seismic = Subject to or caused by an earthquake or earth vibration
 * Sense = a general conscious awareness
 * (Seismic Sense = A general conscious awareness subject or cause by an earthquake or earth vibration?)

So in the end the name makes sense, whether it sounds "cool" is irrelevant. Energy is better spent on another matter. If anything I'm glad I stumbled onto this article so I can finally have a name for the ability. 24.91.72.168 06:28, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Notable Earthbenders
I don't recall anything about Avatar Yangchen, Avatar Kuruk, Avatar Kyoshi, and Avatar Roku that made their Earthbending notable? Well maybe Kyoshi for bending a penninsula into an island, but still. felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It isnt Notable Eathbending its Notable Earthbenders. Avatars are Naturally Great Benders. - Zero - Talk 10:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yangchen is not an "earthbending", she is an "earthbender", which is what I was talking about; and just because they are great does not make them notable felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

They are notable because they are Avatars and they learned Earthbending when it was not their native element. Also, all Avatars achieve incredible levels of bending with all elements because of the Avatar State. Roku fought a whole volcano, doesn't that count as Earthbending in some parts?PhantomS 07:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Image Idea
I think I have an idea for the main image. In the show opener, when Katara says "earth" and it shows Toph's early design earthbending, we have that picture on the top of the article. I'm going to suggest the same thing for all four element articles. Alex101313 14:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a rather bland for a main image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions - Talk 14:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, but it would make sense. Alex101313 14:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the pictures that we have do a really good job of showcasing the bending, and they're all from the actual series. (I'm not going to repeat this message for all the other bending talk pages) Puragus - Talk 16:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying the current images don't, but I think pictures from the opener would make a lot more sense than random images from the series. Alex101313 17:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. These random images from the series work very well for these pages, in my opinion. Puragus - Talk 17:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

If you wanted a new image that makes sense, wouldn't putting Aang (air), with each of his elemental teachers for each page. Each one would be a mster, and be shown bending quite a lot. Just an idea. Joey - Talk 19:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

In my Opinion: Too boring. I think the pics used right now are perfect. There's a saying: "If its not broken dont fix it". - Zero - Talk 07:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Really? I have never heard of that saying before. Alex101313 19:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I have. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the proper phrase is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Puragus - Talk 04:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya, I've heard that a few times in my past, and Zero it is basically saying that if their isn't anything wrong with it, why change it? But before we get off topic, the pictures are diverse and mixed, which does amplify the article's integrity. Thanks. Joey - Talk 05:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, What does it matter if those aren't the exact words or not? And Secondly, I agree with Joeyaa. My Point Exactly. - Zero - Talk 09:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I was making a joke. And I agree with you and Joeyaa. Puragus - Talk 16:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok ok jeez it was just a suggestion. We can keep it this way. Alex101313 22:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Good. Then its settled. - Zero - Talk 06:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Earth Bomb
Thank you for revising my attack, it sounds better now! Tomatoworm 22:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable Earthbenders
I took out all of the avatars ,and changed it to (all avatars implied) since we know that avatars are naturally good earth benders. Do you think this improved it or should I change it back? Tomatoworm

Dont do that again. - Zero - Talk 10:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Earth Wrap
I noticed that Toph and the Dai Li agents sometimes use Earthbend to wrap someone body to make them unmovable. As seen when Toph do this in The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse. Or Dai Li agent when use this tehcnique using a crystal in The Crossroads of Destiny. Need your advice guys to put this on the article. Thank's --Indra i 03:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Indra - It's in their as Earth Armour

Profile Image
Well, it is 'ground'. Jokes aside. I hate the info box image coz it looks blurred and off colour. I know it's been dealt with but I'm just voicing my opinion. Piandao Talk 20:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I agree. Perhaps we could change the image. Luvingazula tried to change it, and I'll carry on his attempts. So, does anyone want to second the motion of changing the profile image? Vaznock - Talk 20:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I second the motion. [[Image:Katara-dobs-c2.gif|32×29px]] - Avatar Junky -Talk 20:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Earthbending Symbol
I would like to replace the current Earthbending Symbol with a new verson. But first I want to know if it's a good idea before I do. I also have a water, fire, and air that is just like this one. - Avatar Junky -Talk 21:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the icon change is needed, it's use in the icon template, and those where made specially for that, or are you talking about the one is this page, cause it's pretty much identical to the one currently used, just without the color. The one you suggested looks bland to me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I was referring to the one that is in the article currently. My only problem with the current one is it's a tad fuzzy. [[Image:Katara-dobs-c2.gif|32×29px]] - Avatar Junky -Talk 21:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Should I delete Image B or wait to see what other have to say? [[Image:Katara-dobs-c2.gif|32×29px]] - Avatar Junky -Talk 22:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

A blueish or purple outline is out of the question. Green, we need green. The basic color of Earthbending is green. Guys, come on. - Zero - Talk 06:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What if I changed the outline to green? I don't mean to bash to current one, it's just out of focus. I'll wait to hear back from you guys before I upload another unnecessary file. [[Image:Katara-dobs-c2.gif|32×29px]] - Avatar Junky -Talk 17:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

earthbending levels
I've noticed weaker earthbenders can't shape earth, they either use existing rocks or earth in soft blobs as projectiles.

Another thing I've noticed is number of earth pieces an earthbender can control also seems dependent on their level (article mentions mass but not separate quantities), most earth benders can use single attack, only Toph, Dai li and King Bumi seems to be able to use simultaneous or chain attacks, most I've seen was Bumi forming 8 separate earth columns simultaneously to throw 8 fire nation soldiers.

I'll try to find the relevant episodes to give reference and add to the article, didn't want to rush since it's a featured article

Missing ability
Not sure what to call it (Projected Earth Daggers?), in the Crossroads of Destiny; The Dai Li throw them just as Mai throws her knives. Any way if we agree in a name for them I'll add them in, otherwise it will degrade the article *cough-Sing Lee-cough* THIS may help, looks like the fingers of earth glove are projected. Found another one ?maybe? When the Dai Li arrest the general, they project chains with hand cuffs at hte general. Is that skillful handling of the chains or manipulation of the metal? Piandao Talk 10:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The rock bullet thing is already in the rock glove article, the arresting of Long Feng was skillful handling of chains, only Toph can manipulate metal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm in awe of their chain handling ability Piandao  Talk 23:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Believe me, I know how bad a discussion in this can go, when Wikipedia still hadn't crammed the four bending arts and the four nations in a single article, there was this massive discussion on Metalbending in the Earthbending talk page, which I finally managed to break by giving directions so they could see for themselves in the nick.com the metalbending entry in The Guru's Gear&More section, saying only Toph could do it. If the discussion was a movie, we'd see many fireworks. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems like they subconsciously have the ability and they do not know that it can be enhanced. Just a thought :)

New Page for Seismic Sense
I don't know the proper place to ask this, so I'll just do it here. Should there be a separate page for Seismic Sense? I think it merits one- it's central to one of the main characters, played a roll in the final battle, and is directly related to metalbending. I'd be willing to do the majority of work on the page. Tophvision 01:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC) Ok, can you provide a link to the sandbox? I can't find it. A link to a page with instructions for how to make a wiki page would be nice, also, since this will be my first one. Tophvision 00:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC) Thanks. Tophvision 00:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe, we'd need to make a sketch in a sandbox, but I don't see any reason not to do it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I typed up a sketch in the sand box, now what? Tophvision 15:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Magnetic
"Rock Hanging: Earthbenders also possess limited magnetic capabilities" when does any one ever say that in the show. That should be taken out the Dai li agents are the only one shown hanging of rock surfaces and they were wearing ROCK GLOVES.
 * Magnetic reference comes from Nick.com, not due to rock gloves. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a big reason as to why we need to start using references - no one believes us when we use outside-show info and don't cite it.  The Flash  {talk} 23:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm all for sourcing, though I agree that it is quite a boring task. Too bad we can't use bots for those. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Very unfortunate indeed, I myself would try and do it, but really, that would mean to revise all the pages and that's too much for one user.  The Flash  {talk} 23:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We could try setting up a user group for that, though I think we'd need more than five willing members. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea.  The Flash  {talk} 00:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)