Talk:Firebending

Lava/Magma Bending
THERE HAS BEEN NO AND I REPEAT NO PROOF THAT LAVA BENDING IS PART OF FIRE BENDING ONLY AVATARS HAVE BEEN SEEN LAVA BENDING (molten earth+ fire) WHEN FIRELORD SOZIN WAS HELPING ROKU WITH THE VOLCANO ALL HE DID WAS ABSORB AND REDIRECT HEAT


 * Actually, in The Winter Solstice Part 2, the Fire Sage Shyru says that Roku used the magma to make the tunnels under the temple on Cersent Island and Aang demonstrates it when "posessed" by Roku after communicating with him, so I think that its very possible for Lava/Magma Bending to be considered part of Firebending.Fire Sage Ru

No he merely said that Avatar Roku carved these tunnels from the magma. Not used magma to make the tunnels. Zero 08:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Magma/lavabending would not be considered firebending because it is liquid rocks. Just like waterbenders can bend ice the solid form of water. Scott 00:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Magma/lavabending is considered Firebending simply because when demonstrating it, it is always "shown" to be Firebending. In The Avatar State, each Avatar used their own natural element, which pretty much says that lava falls under Firebending. If I had to justify it, I would go on the line that Firebenders are actually energy benders, fire being the standard/easier form to manifest it. Iroh said himself that to create lightning you have to separate the yin and the yang, which are like the positive and negative charges. Magma and lava technically are molten rock, but because they are super saturated with energy, with heat, Firebenders are able to control it. It like the Plantbending, Waterbenders can bend it because there's water inside them, once the water is removed, it can't be bended anymore. Roku used Firebending to "calm down" the lava, and Sozin removed the heat. After removing the heat, it became solid rock, something Firebenders can't bend. Omnibender 00:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually in Avatar Day Kyoshi Magmabent to form Kyoshi Island. Scott 01:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

She did? I remember her cracking open the ground and seeing some lava, but I don't remember her bending it. What I do remember is her using Airbending to "push" the fractured landmass. I think I have rewatch some old episodes. Omnibender 02:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

firending is all about controlling heat, cos firebending is pretty much just controlling air that has been heated to the ignition point, but this doesnt mean that they can airbend as well 92.1.251.166 00:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

And you just said nothing with nothing. Omnibender 00:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No, not only Avatar's can magma bend. As it is shown in a flash back that Fire Lord Sozin can magma bend to when he tried to Help Avatar Roku save his Island. And i am pretty sure Fire Lord Sozin wasnt an Avatar. MelanieMAGGOTTT;; 8:13pm 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, what Sozin did was remove the heat from the magma, that's very different from actually bending the lava, in no way he made the magma move unnaturally, Roku did. Omnibender - Talk 14:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

- The heat is not fire, and the liquid state of magma is not water, so the avatars use "EARTHBENDING", because magma is molten rock. It's basic chemistry.Maxsaver 15:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Then you fail at chemistry, cause heat is a form of energy, this matter has been discussed thoroughly, and from what the series gave us, magma is Firebending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Emotional State
Would another reason for lossing the ability to firebend be an emotional/phycological factor? For example; Zuko couldn't firebend because he lost his ambition/drive.


 * I think that would be correct, in TFBM, Zuko said he had lost his drive, so he had to find I new one, and Aang was too hesitant, that too may count as a weakness. Omnibender 16:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, his drive was his anger but once he had lost it for Team Avatar his abilities weakened. This is mainly because the fire nation wants firebenders to belive anger is what powers bending. But it is not. MelanieMAGGOTTT;; 8:16pm. 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Fire Daggers
Does anybody think that it would be possible to extend the length of the flame? Could it also be possible to make a fire sword in that manner? Fire Sage Ru 16:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, I see no reason for that to be impossible. But then bending would become to anime like. Omnibender 19:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It would seem likely. You could probaly make a fire staff.Fire Lord Phillip 15:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

I know the fire daggers haven't been used alot in the series, but they were cool. I don't know if it's possible to extend the length of the flame. Zukofan123 16:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Blue flames
It has been confirmed that females fire bend in a blue color;Not because it's hotter than red/orange.

Oh yeah? Where? 06:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I remember that a female guard used Firebending in The Invasion, wasn't blue. Omnibender 15:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Azula said so herself.

More details: specific details of which episode and when she said it, to whom... we need comfirmation! BHynes10 19:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think people would remember if Azula had said something like that. Omnibender 23:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This guy is just making stuff up. besides in the flashbacks in Zuko Alone Azula's Firebending was still Red and Orange because she had not yet learned blue firebending. That proves this guy wrong. Zero 06:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea wheres his proof?Fire Lord Phillip 15:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

Comet-Enhanced Firebending
Does anyone have any screenshots of the enormous fireblasts the firebenders used during Sozin's Comet? We could add that next to "Enhanced Firebending", to demonstrate the extent of the comet's power to increase firebending. Munkiman 01:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not that I know of, I guess we'll have to wait until DongbuFeng or AvatarSpirit uploaded screenshots. Omnibender 01:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to upload a few tonight. Scott 01:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

They are not the best, but they will have to do untill AvatarSpirit updates. Which one(s) should we use? Scott 02:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I like 3, 4 and 6. Omnibender 03:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Those are the once that I thought were better because of the quality of 1 and 2. Scott 03:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I Like 1 3 4 and 6 ~ Daniel 04:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to turn the images into links? This is it'll use less space. Omnibender 02:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember when Ozai used fire bending during the comet? It sorta looked like it was charging up and sorta look like a missle until he realesed it. Is that an affect of the comet??Fire Lord Phillip 15:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Fire Lord Phillip

Not really, both Zuko and Azula were shown to charge their attacks before, Azula in The Drill against Aang, and Zuko in Crossroads of Destiny, also against Aang. Omnibender 17:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

O ok. Thanks.

You know you could group the pictures together like this:

I did it in the Dancing Dragon Page to illustrate the moves. - Zero - Talk 06:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Green Firebending
I know it is certainly possible but can it be attempted? CoasterKing 00:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing as green fire, whitish/bluish fire is as hot as it gets. Howabout1-(Talk) 00:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well on like a stove sometimes it gets greenish. Im just saying it would be cool. How about a firebender that bends white fire. That would be abnormally powerful. CoasterKing 00:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Fire will burn green if its fuel is a cooper salt. The closest thing to green fire the series has ever shown was fire in Long Feng's office, which was burning some crystals, hence the green hue, and the multi color fire from the dragons in The Firebending Masters. Omnibender 01:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible for white firebending? CoasterKing 01:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Ran and Shao did that too. Omnibender 02:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

In the real world, white fire is considered the hottest bright white being at 1500 degrees Centigrate. Check out Wikipedia fire page. Zero 05:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember my chemistry teacher telling me that the hottest fire is actually invisible, something like UV, that people can't see. Omnibender 15:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, I quote "The hottest flames are white in appearance". Here is a image that can be a possible example.BGizzles45 00:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)



I could be wrong, but I believe the color variation is based on the light spectrum. More intense fire produces light with a shorter wavelength. So I guess if a fire were strong enough, it would emit UV rays. 71.233.170.40 05:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Fire emits light. I was taught in my early school years that the color of fire is based on the intensity of heat. It effects the frequency. That is why iron gets red hot and white hot. The Light emitting from the iron is actually possible because of the intensity of the heat. The frequency changes and that causes the different colors. Therefore it is completely possible for green firebending to take place. You just have to calculate the ratio of the Intensity of Fire versus the Frequency of Electromagnetic Rays to produce the color you need. - Zero - Talk 06:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

It has to do with that too, but what I mentioned with the cooper salts is that when you burn it, the electrons in the outer electron shells gain energy, jumping to a higher energy level, and when they lose that energy, they lose it in the form of light, in this case green because thats the main color of cooper spectrum. Omnibender - Talk 17:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

But remember that since fire emits light, manipulating the intensity and the energy of fire can easily effect the light given off. Thats what Firebenders do after all. - Zero - Talk 09:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Correct, but that would take a ridiculously extreme control over fire, I think it would be the Metalbending of fire in terms of control, not impossible, but extremely complex. Omnibender - Talk 23:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Thats why only Dragons have shown this ability up till now. Dragons are the Original and Ultimate Firebenders, remember. They can do it. And its not to say human benders cant do it as well. Toph invented Metalbending after all. So it stands to reason that some firebender in the past or future could do so as well. - Zero - Talk 05:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The only reason I think firebenders would try to do that is to see if colored fire has any special property or advantage over regular fire. We know blue fire is hotter and carries a more concussive effect than regular fire, but if the other colors (white, green, pink, etc...) have no discernible characteristic or property other than the color, I think there's only one firebender who would find an advantage in have multi colored fire. Omnibender - Talk 22:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Well White Fire is definately hotter than the other colored fires. But you're right about the Magician Firebender. - Zero - Talk 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of different colors of fire, did you guys notice that after Zuko met with the Sun Warriors in The Firebending Masters, his fire just like Aang's is partially white, and a light shade for the rest. Whilst, before meeting them, it was more orange and darker. Since this happened to both him, and Aang, do you think that could be something the dragons taught them? Is it worth adding? Thanks. Joey - Talk 00:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that the color of fire is dependant on the intensity of the bender's drive. The Purer and more Intense the drive the more the color shifts to white, with yellow being the weakest. By pure I dont mean good but... well I can't seem to find the words to emphsize it, The closest I can come with is stronger and focused. The Colors are Yellow, Red, Blue, Green and White. - Zero - Talk 06:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It might have to do with Zuko and Aang learning fire directly from dragons, who teach the proper and pure meaning of fire to the worthy. Zuko's previous 'Sozin drive' fire was void of the spirit of fire as life, whereas later he realizes that fire is the pulse of life and his firebending was now an expression of the power of the small (metaphoric) sun in him. I can't speak for Iroh, but it's likely that he learned true fire and uses it as well.

We have to look at the Agni Kai between Zuko and Azula to see just how different their fires are; Zuko defends and counterattacks Azula with incredible ease but doesn't move much. Azula by contrast zips around and fires salvoes at her brother, totally offensive with only her jet feet to evade Zuko's flames. Zuko's coup de grace move is a fire arc that completely nullifies Azula's flame, while Azula is never seen deflecting Zuko's red/white fire.PhantomS 17:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

A firebender could probably augment green fire if it already exists. Remember the green fire from Long Feng's study?--66.31.40.222 22:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

That was simply the tint of the fireplace, the fire itself was not green. AlexTalk 22:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the fire was green, but that's because of the fuel, the crystals probably contained substances, such as copper salts, which when burned makes the flames green. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

In fact, the creators specifically said that in the commentary for "City of Walls and Secrets"- that it's because of the special minerals the citizens of Ba Sing Se use when lighting their fires. Puragus  Talk 04:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh really? I must have missed that. Thanks for correcting me guys! AlexTalk 15:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Image
Can somebody please change the main image? I feel the circus trainer is a minor character and his picture should not be the first on a major article. Alex101313 00:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lets see if anyone else feels the same way. Hey fellas! Input, views and comments needed here. Come on. - Zero - Talk 11:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Earthbending also has a minor character in the main image. I don't think this is such a big deal, the image is meant to show the Bending Art, that doesn't mean it can't be a minor character. Omnibender - Talk 19:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Omni does have a point. Alex101313 19:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Idea
I think I have an idea for the main image. In the show opener, when Katara says "fire" and it shows Azula firebending, we have that picture on the top of the article. I'm going to suggest the same thing for all four element articles. Alex101313 14:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a rather bland for a main image. Omnibender - Talk 14:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, but it would make sense. Alex101313 14:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Too boring. I think the pics used right now are perfect. There's a saying: "If its not broken dont fix it". - Zero - Talk 07:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Fire Windmill/Spinning Attacks
I don't see how these techniques are different than just a Firebender generating fire. I think the people who added these are just looking at the series and trying to invent different techniques. I don't think we should add sections for a Firebender using different movements to make Fire, which is pretty much covered, and just for techniques that we can clearly see are different uses for fire (Fire Whips, Fire Daggers, Jet Prepusion, Charged attacks, ect). Puragus  Talk 20:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

We should probably keep a limited amount of attacking moves unless it is something very unique. My theory with some of these attacks is that (similar to what Puragus said) people are creating their own moves and hoping it doesn't get by us as something false. Alex101313 - Talk 22:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

So, if no one has any objections, I'll remove both of them tomorrow. Puragus  Talk 05:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

My attack!!? :( Tomatoworm 22:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Fire
What about the multi-colored flames from Ran and Shao? Shoudnt that be a "special technique"?

--Seireitou 01:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That has already been referenced by mentioning the different colors of fire. - Zero - Talk 03:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

profile pic
is it possiable to remove the picutre of zuko on the fighting styles so it can be included in the vote.

image1
what rubbish picture. - Luvingazula - Talk 12:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

i think it should be changed. all he is doing is creating small flames in his hands - Luvingazula - Talk 15:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that, too. It's better the Roku's Pic. Maxsaver 16:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

i would say have a one with zuko. omni what do you think - Luvingazula - Talk 16:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason to change the image, in the bending pages, the main image is meant to show the bending, pure and simple. No need for flashy bending or important characters. If you can find images like that (not ones already used in the page), we can vote in the picture just like we did with characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

all the best ones are on the page16:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this link will help Category:Firebending images. - Zero - Talk 15:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Add any more or change them. - Luvingazula - Talk 16:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Firebend.png now known as Image 6? Perhaps, only concern that it's too close to the fire, other than that, great image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

ok it is ready and thanks. - Luvingazula - Talk 18:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think more variety is needed. - Zero - Talk 18:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very fond of Comet enhanced Firebending, they show over powered Firebending, not the regular Firebending. And my regular, I think we should also bar blue fire, lightning, combustion and other special techniques. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

But Image 7 is still okay right? Jeong Jeong used more fire to make the Fire Wall in The Deserter than is used here. - Zero - Talk 19:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And of course no special techniques will be used. - Zero - Talk 19:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

images 7,8,9 are not very good i doubt they will get a single vote. - Luvingazula - Talk 19:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Very well then I'll remove them. - Zero - Talk 19:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

ok you do that - Luvingazula - Talk 19:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

is seven enough? i think so - Luvingazula - Talk 19:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Fire is the element of Power. So I'm gonna go for either 5 or 7. After seeing how the others vote of course. - Zero - Talk 19:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

you should vore on what you think not what others think. - Luvingazula - Talk 19:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why was a vote set up without the motion being supported explicitly by two other users? "You're driving me crazy!" It's too late now though. Maybe we should replace all the bending images to the ones of Roku bending in the Opening Sequence. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 00:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

So far I would be for either three or six. Joey -  Talk Contribs 00:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

NO. If two other users did not second this motion, this is INVALID. I'm removing the gallery now. Puragus  Talk 00:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I personally don't like it, but I'll have to let the admins decide on this. They know best. Vaznock 01:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not the admins who make decisions like this. Admins are not holders of office and power. For votes, decisions etc. they are just like any other user. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 03:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not enforcing my will, I'm just enforcing the rules. Puragus  Talk 04:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If you want a formal statement then here it is: "I second the motion of changing the Firebending Profile Pic." And any user can second or third the motion. - Zero - Talk 05:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

there you go zero agrees he even put in one of the pictures. omni will agree also he put in number 6 after i asked him. - Luvingazula - Talk 08:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * However, you cannot deny that you did break the rules. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey. I only put in the pic because the gallery was already there. The rules have nothing on putting images on already existing galleries, legal or otherwise. So... technically... I broke none of the rules. - Zero - Talk 10:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, you're fine, I was talking about Luvingazula. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

as usal i get outnumbered. - Luvingazula - Talk 16:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

i know the majority of this wiki would like to see the back of me so here is your chance. - Luvingazula - Talk 16:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily, the moment I expressed an opinion and mentioned a picture, it kinda counts as me supporting the vote, if someone else expressed something similar then the vote is valid. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)