Talk:Energybending

invention
what do you mean past avatars?,aang discovered this tecknique,not even a teckneque,an entirely new bending,the first avatars probebly had nothingto do with it,then theres the fact that the lion turtle taght him,and he wasn't in the avatar state,he was meditatin and concentrating,if he was in the avatar state they would have killed ozie The bloodbender666 08:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The lion-turtle clearly states "In the era BEFORE THE AVATAR we bent not the elements, but the energy within ourselves... To bend another's energy, your own spirit must be unbendable or you will be corrupted and destroyed." So yeah, Bloodbender666 is right, no previous avatar was aware of this technique. The "wisdom" of all the previous avatars was to kill Ozai. The Avatar state would have done just that, so Aang's use of spiritbending has nothing to do with the Avatar state. So basically the entire "Benders" section of this article is wrong. :P Sahasrahla

Is it just me or did you guys also notice the similarity between the beam of light released by Aang close to the end of Spiritbending Ozai's energy, and the beam of light released upon the breaking of the Iceberg in which Aang was trapped in the beginning of the show. Is it possible that what we may be wrong when we say that Aang is the first Avatar to ever spiritbend? Zero 06:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we are, there is no indication other avatars, at least the cycle before Aang knew about it, otherwise they would've mentioned it to Aang when he called them for advise. Omnibender 15:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Note to Readers: Nick.com has released information that few Avatars other than Aang have learned energybending and even fewer have ever used it due to its dangers. Obviously the last four avatars before Aang havent learned or used it, otherwise they might have suggested it in passing at least. Zero - Talk 14:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Why is this called Spirit bending?
Why is this called Spiritbending? The Lion Turtle instructed to Aang that to bend one's life energy, etc. Would this not be called Life Energy Bending? Or Energy Bending? Not a big deal, just curious. Spiritbending is "catchy" though.

if you mean real energy,thats reserved for firebenders,heat light electiciti,mentioned by the sun warriors,but another name is chi bending could work The bloodbender666 06:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Because it bends the Spirit. it is spirit that determines how strong a bender are you. that's why. Zero 07:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

If nick.com has declared it Energybending then its a good thing you guys fixed the problem. Zero 06:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it'd be more prudent to call it Soulbending. That way it fits well with the naming of the other Bending arts. Also, the terms Spiritbending and Energybending sounds too generic if you ask me. Teimoshi 12:25, 15 June 2010


 * If Nick.com calls it Energybending, it doesn't matter what "sounds better." That's an official source, we must stick to it. -- I'm The Bos - Got something to say? -  Read Guardian! 10:16, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Stub Status
Should we get rid of the stub status for this article? It seems to be a fully realized article right now, albeit short. There is still lengthening to be done, but I do not think it is in any way a stub any more. BHynes10 22:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding New Edit: Is it Clear that the Lion Turtle was explaining that Lion Turtles Bent Life Energy?
The new edit explains that Lion Turtles bent life energy in the days before the Avatar. But the quote was "In the era before the Avatar, we bent not the element but the energy within ourselves." I do not believe the sentence is definitive enough to identify that Lion Turtles bent life energy. Instead, the original edit that did not specify anyone is better. The quote said by the Lion Turtle is too ambiguous to warrant a definitive identity.

Cryptblade 22:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed BHynes10 22:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree on the stub status. About the lion turtle, I think that it did Spiritbend. When it touches Aang, it does so in the exact same spots he does at Ozai, and the same green light appears. Omnibender 23:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Like the other original benders I think that the Lion Turtles were the original spiritbenders. He refered to the spirit benders as we and he taught Aang how to Spiritbend, like the Dragons taught the firebenders, the Air Bisons taught the earthbenders, etc, etc. He said "We bent not the elements but the energy within". I think they Are the original spiritbenders. Zero 06:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, as soon as we have that confirmed by any canon source, we add it to the article. Omnibender 15:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I still don't think we can make that clarification until there is more definitive data to say the Lion Turtle was refering to Lion Turtles in "we" or "we" as in life. The pronoun "we" is still too ambiguous to definitively say that the Lion Turtle was referring to "we Lion Turtles". My interpretation, because he used "era" is that "we" refers to all life. Because to say "in the era" is to refer to an undefined time period. I find it hard to believe that in the era preceding the Avatar, only Lion Turtles could bend. The line he said was "In the era before the Avatar, we bend not the elements, but the energy within ourselves." The context points to more than just the Lion Turtles. Also, there is no indication that all Lion Turtles can spiritbend or bend any other elements. It's a huge jump to conclusion without more definitive establishments. One thing that CAN be inferred is that the Lion Turtle's statement implies that before the Avatar, bending elements was not practiced. This could be placed in Trivia, perhaps. Cryptblade 23:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

True yet not true. We does refer to general but I think he was talking about benders in general. Like present day world I think the old world could also be divided into benders and non benders. However this also brings about the relationship between original benders and human benders I think the Lion Turtles were the original spiritbenders who first taught the human sipritbenders. Hiowever It seems that something happened that caused the replacement of spiritbending with element bending. Maybe the spiritbenders realized the dangers of spiritbending and decided that the danger was too great, so they abandoned it. They may have even spiritbent themselves and changed the bending into element bending. Who knows? Zero 07:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess we'll only have some real info when Nick.com is updated, it should show up at gear and more section of the last episode. Omnibender 14:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Confirmation
Nick.com updated the Avatar site, it's everything we already knew for sure, but it's named Energybending, and past Avatars have learned, though very few did, and even fewer used it. Omnibender 19:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone provide the link from Nick.com that verifies that it's call Energybending not Spiritbending? Someone just changed this page to back to Spiritbending. Cryptblade 05:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I checked it out it is called energy bending so i changed it back. Heres the link: http://www.nick.com/shows/avatar/index.jhtml Zero 11:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Nick's site is a flash site, that just links to the main page. From that page, go to the episode 320, and see the section Gear and More, it's the second item, image is Aang Firebending. Omnibender 16:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ty Lee and Chi
Don't Ty Lee's abilities also fall under the umbrella of EnergyBending?

No I dont think so. Energybending uses bending to bend the energy within a body. Ty Lee uses physical attacks to block the flow of Chi within a body. They are not the same thing. You dont see Ty Lee turning a different color either. Zero - Talk 12:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Then what about her Aura-stuff seeing abilities? That has to related at some level.71.65.17.234 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Your aura is an invisible force around your body. It is thought also to brighten or dim dependent on your spiritual being. It is said if you are able to focus hard enogh and keep your spirit calm enough you can see it.

It can kill
Text from nick.com: "The Lion Turtle teaches Aang a technique available only to the Avatar: the ability to take away someone's bending. Only a very few Avatars have ever learned this technique and even fewer have used it, for it is very dangerous to do. In order to bend another's energy, an Avatar's own energy must be pure and unbendable. If not, the enemy's corrupted energy can take over the Avatar's energy and kill him. Ozai's bad, red energy nearly overtakes Aang's good, white energy, but Aang, being a pure, uncorrupted being, was able to overcome it and take Ozai's bending away."

It can kill. Omnibender 17:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooooooooooooooooo... OK. Zero - Talk 17:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

mistakes and questions
i just read the avatar page, it says that only avatars can bend energy, this is wrong isn't. because the lion-turtle say in the time before the avatar. Does this mean any bender could use it? could you bend the avatar sprit of an avatar?

Possible plot hole, but I think that the ability is unique to the Avatar as of the moment the Avatar came to be, as in currently. Omnibender - Talk 17:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there weren't benders then, I don't even think there were humans then felinoel ~ (Talk) 08:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. Maybe not. See: Regarding New Edit: Is it Clear that the Lion Turtle was explaining that Lion Turtles Bent Life Energy? Section of this talk page. - Zero - Talk 10:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * :/ Couldn't you have linked it? felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Why would I have wasted my time linking it when its only a few mouse wheel scrolls away? - Zero - Talk 09:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hypothetical uses
If he can take away someone's bending, couldn't he also give bending to someone? He's the last airbender, if balance is crucial, wouldn't this be the method for repopulating the air nomads?

We don't have a clue. 71.65.17.234 15:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I have the same theory--Unic of the borg 00:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Just as Firebending is revealed as not just a source of chaos and destruction in Episode 53, "The Firebending Masters", I feel that Energybending can do so much more than just lock the bending energy of another person. Especially since Energybending existed BEFORE Elemental Bending. I personally believe that only one who has mastered all of the elements (Avatar) can lock and unlock another person's bending. Hydronisa 19:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

About Energybending not being mentioned in the series
I think that it is inaccurate how energybending wasn't mentioned in the series. It is indirctly mentioned when the lion turtle said, in the era before the Avatar, we bend not the elements but the energy within ourselves. Then the lion turtle goes on the say, to bend another's energy...

I believe that when the lion turtle said to bend another's energy, energybending is indirectly mentioned. By listening to context clues, one can figure out that energybending was mentioned in the series. I'd like to hear what you guys think about this. Haefaciel 14:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it's not directly mentioned, so I don't know. We shouldn't make too many assumptions. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 14:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought it said that the term energybending is not mentioned in the series. Not the bending Aang used itself. Get it. The word used for the bedning was not mentioned. - Zero - Talk 06:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Aether: The "classical 5th element"
Shouldn't it technically be Aetherbending and/or made references to Aether. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element Yes I have read everything on these pages. It just isn't right.

Nick.com calls it Energybending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:41, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

"Everything is... connected."
Could other aspects of the Avatar be considered Energybending? Three cases:

1: The Avatar State. Beyond just having the ability to bend all four elements, the Avatar has the ability to amplify their bending powers to epic proportions. Where does this power come from? What exactly is "cosmic energy"?

2: Spirit journeys. The Avatar has the ability to disembody their spirit and interact with the spirit world. Why does only the Avatar seem to have the power to do it at will?

3: "Everything is... connected". What did Aang do exactly to find Appa in the Swamp? Could Guru Pathik be an Energybender as well, also considering his knowledge of Chakras? Pathik also "read" Appa's mind/heart/spirit/whatever through contact (with one of Appa's chakras?), and then the Lion Turtle actually imparted knowledge by contact with two of Aang's chakras.

--MadCat221 01:19, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * 1 Epic bending power comes from him channeling the power of all previous Avatars. Most likely, cosmic energy is the power of past Avatars.


 * 2 Because the Avatar is the spirit of the planet incarnate.


 * 3 Nick.com said that only Avatars can use Energybending. My guess is that while Lion Turtles are able to use it, they're not able to use it to its fullest potential. Whatever Pathik did, it wasn't Energybending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:53, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Correct name
Alright, so, not to beat a dead horse here, but the title of this article seems a bit amiss. The term "energybending" was never used in the series, nor is it used on Nick's website. The website does say "bending energy", but it never says "energybending". Therefore, I propose that a change be made to the title of the article, as to avoid assuming things. KFan II 02:34, March 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a better alternative to the current name? As far as I am aware, "energybending" is the most commonly used term. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 03:08, March 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Earlier on this discussion Omnibender says the Nick website confirmed it as Energybending, although now I think the info's been removed from the website. Ddd44 04:00, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Actually, looking over the past discussion someone anonymous posted a link to the Nick site and said it was confirmed as Energybending, but Omnibender said the link wouldn't lead to the page so Omnibender gave some specific instructions to get there. So I assume Omnibender looked it up and also confirmed it was called Energybending. Ddd44 04:08, March 1, 2010 (UTC)