Talk:Iroh/@comment-3278061-20110928165231/@comment-3278061-20111108052608

1.	I’m sorry but they needed to spread the wealth argument will be rendered ineffective due to iroh’s screen time and main character status. Every old master (I’m including ozai) had limited appearances but within that time their strong personalities and skills pretty much shows why they’re the best in their respective fields. Is iroh a better character than ozai sure, but is he a better bender, no. in order to compare who is the best you compare feats. Simplistic, yes, but also logical. The writers had a boatload of opportunities to showcase iroh (the season two finale where he was nowhere to be seen until things got out of hand and fought for about 3-5 seconds, the invasion where we’re left to speculate, the finale where many fans wanted to see in shape iroh at his pinnacle of show his showcase his power but we get nothing). It just becomes counterproductive at times why build someone up to do something then leave it up to speculation by not showing it. 2.	The difference between Dumbledore and iroh is one actual has feats to back up the speculation one didn’t. Dumbledore went toe to toe with voldemort knowing he couldn’t kill him and held his own, iroh never even attempted to even speak against ozai, Dumbledore defeated a top notch dark wizard with an unbeatable wand, iroh did nothing even comparable, Dumbledore has constantly shown excellent and powerful feats of magic, iroh has shown basic bending techniques that have been topped by others. Same goes for voldemort he actually displayed great mastery of magic judging by his duel with Dumbledore, his skills, and pretty much everything he did in the final book. 3.	Sure iroh does the most powerful firebending feat with the comet that’s if you leave out the circumstances. Iroh needed a lot of time to breathe charge up, and aim his attack with no interruption whatsoever. Jeong Jeong on the other hand generated the strongest burst of fire noncomet in the series while under attack with less time. Also anybody can look great with implications ozai was to be feared judging by the way people talk about him, as was azula according iroh himself, chey thought jeong jeong was god’s gift to the world, etc. Also the creators stated iroh was respected because he treated his troops very well. Stop trying to discredit actual feats and inflate implications because that’s the only way iroh looks good. 4.	As for Azulon does his opinion mean much? Not really judging by the stupidity of his decision to create more internal conflict within his whole family which directly led to his demise. He decided to protect iroh’s rights, wow could it be that he was traditionalist or just liked iroh more. Azulon outright stated he favored iroh because he was his first born and outright stated it, not this speculation that you have in mind and have yet to prove. This guy wanted his son to kill his very own grandchild just teach a lesson. As for his accomplishments they aren’t very impressive as he had no avatar to stop him and 75 years to rule, The Southern Water Tribe was easy pickings and were not as technologically advanced and didn’t even have an decent size army. The “technology” they had were canoes, boomerangs, and igloos I’m surprised sozin didn’t wipe them out in a matter of weeks. Had it not been for Iroh and Aang intervening Zhao’s would have destroyed the Northern Water Tribe in a matter of days as Azulon in 75 years couldn’t event dent their defenses or incinerate the Southern Tribe. On to the Earth Kingdom we go, his greatest feats against them were the battle of garsai and the hu xin provinences that’s it as more things would have been mentioned at this funeral. Yeah your right ozai had no military accomplishments prior to becoming firelord but we don’t know if he was even allowed to join the army under azulon’s reign. But once he got the throne he had took over omashu, had his daughter take down ba sing se, had given zhao the resources to take over the northern tribe, and attempted to destroy the earth kingdom. Funny thing is Sozin, Azulon, and Iroh never had the avatar and groups of top bending masters constantly get in their way during their raids and battles, unlike zhao, iroh and azula. Heck azula did more for the fire nation than azulon and iroh could dream about taking over ba sing se and successfully countering an invasion says it all. 5.	 It was logical for iroh to be the one to lead the invasion due to his correlation with the city thus the emphasis was given to him to break the wall. Bumi showed the power to destroy the wall as well prior but the emphasis was put on iroh. Wow could it be that iroh has a higher lotus rank than jeong jeong thus giving the say so? Strawman, my friend I can easily counter your respect argument with an attack one. Why did fire nation soldiers constantly attack iroh if they knew how powerful he was….exactly. 6.	Again, the imperial firebenders had the power of the comet and the numbers game going against three teenagers, two of whom couldn’t bend and one who was rather limited. Toph could bend metal but was completely defenseless in certain situations in which a nonbender defeated several comet enhanced benders by himself. Also how is my dismissal of zuko lame the guy could barely beat zhao who was a laughable bender but then he takes several highly trained imperial firebenders with one attack by himself, come on. Also zuko becomes firelord because he was the only choice, what are you not getting. 7.	How would zuko get his mark if iroh stopped it what exactly is stopping ozai from banishing them both? 8.	Actually shown power and skills > implied power. Why do you think hard evidence holds weight in court and speculation doesn’t? Just because you like a character it doesn’t make him the best. I like iroh but certain things you can’t ignore and decisions he made can’t be ignored. 9.	Also if they’re parts of iroh’s character not to be explored why bring them up? Again I like the man and just think he is not as good a bender and general as people think he is. We aren’t going to agree so let’s move on to something else and explore other topics.