Talk:Iroh/@comment-3278061-20110928165231/@comment-3278061-20111106071137

1.	By definition ozai is more powerful as he exerts his strength faster than iroh. All I am hearing is iroh is more powerful because he restrains himself, well jeong jeong does that even more. So by that logic JJ>Ozai and Iroh. All that means is iroh has more self control and judging by his uncertainty of defeating ozai with the original source of firebending and lightning redirection in his corner says a lot. Iroh is the experienced fighter and more diverse power but he lacks the physical attributes (speed, strength, and power) to match ozai. Logically why would ozai restrain himself during his bending appearances when he was going for the kill? Again, why and how is Iroh more or just as powerful the ozai? 2.	Again, it was zuko’s opinion. He also thought he had a shot at azula and only fought her because she was slipping. Zuko can be wrong…A LOT, this is the guy who would have someone from his nation murdered just to get on katara’s good side…yeah not to mention how he outright mocked aang about his stance on the situation completely contradicted himself when he was trying to sell peace to ozai just a few episodes earlier, then he tempts his unstable sister to shoot lightning at him putting katara in danger for what now?, point proven. Did zuko know that they were other powerful old masters who are actually just as skilled and experienced as iroh? Nope. Also zuko was the obvious choice to be firelord by default since iroh declined it. 3.	We don’t know how O.W.L rankings work and we don’t even know what jeong jeong’s rank is, all we know is what iroh’s ranking is. Next up you state jeong jeong’s bending is inferior to iroh’s really? Jeong Jeong show a lot more control, precision, and power than iroh has ever shown and this is with 2 appearances, He generated the largest amount of fire without the comet and he pulled off jet propulsion which is only done by azula and ozai people who are on par if not greater than iroh. 4.	Sheer amount goes to ozai no question and force of attack goes to iroh. Again, the overall goal of their attacks were different but my point is ozai generated it faster with one hand while iroh need to breathe, aim, and charge his attack his attack a lot longer. Where does fancy play a part in this even though iroh failed to do any. 5.	Also i’m talking about after aang is in the avatar state, where things were much harder for ozai since had to generate large scale attacks rather quickly and dodge aang’s massive avatar state attacks. Again, simplicity or not the power of observation comes into play here ozai bends more fire by sheer volume and generates it a lot quicker. 6.	Oh, as for iroh not fighting in ba sing se. I think he was just worn out from attack like that. Come on, we already seen what bumi and pakku can do at their best respectively. Logically, we needed to see iroh, jeong jeong and piandao fight. Why show a character working out and reconditioning his body just to not show exactly what he was working for? That’s just moronic and lazy storytelling. Ask any avatar fan if they were satisfied with iroh’s feats and 9/10 will say it’s a no. Too often we’re left to speculate and come up with excuses to make him look better than what he is because we like his character. 7.	As for iroh’s fair confrontations what quality opponents did he fight? Fire Nation grunts, Weapon specialist who get owned by a 15 year old warrior with limited experience (Sokka), regular earthbending soldiers? Iroh was expected to win all of those fights, easiy. Azula on the otherhand fought to a draw Aang, Sokka, Katara ,Zuko, Iroh, Toph at the same time, that’s arguably the best firebender, earthbender, waterbender, the avatar, a decent firebender and warrior who were shown to takeover cities with their skills. Even besting iroh in that scene who displayed he lacks in the durability department. 8.	LOL, aang was recoiled in fear why did he runaway from ozai in the middle of the ocean when he could have launched a powerful waterbending attack, why did he pretty much curl in a ball and close his eyes? 9.	Really, you seem to forget that the imperial firebenders had the advantage in power and numbers on three teenagers, two of whom couldn’t bend and one who was rather limited. Iroh (who is a top firebender) on the other hand fought a platoon of weaklings in which zuko showed one simple attack can take out several of them….Yeah. 10.	Again, the ozai v. zuko agni kai, prior to the fight iroh stated he knew what would happen and didn’t even attempt to defuse the situation. No to mention the amount of time he had to stop it as ozai and zuko actually had a conversation. What if ozai would have done something more sinister to zuko, yeah he’d just watch. As for the other scenario you bought up you really think ozai would do such a thing when he can easily get rid of two family members he didn’t even like by simply banishing them. 11.	Also I never said he was mentally weak I stated he was an inferior firebender to the elites and an average leader judging by what is actually mentioned, implied or shown. Also azulon held iroh in higher regard because he was his first born he even outright stated it. It’s funny you mention him because this is the guy who’s task for ozai would shorten the royal family bloodline even more and cause more divide in his own family. Let’s not forget he has little to no military accomplishments and spent the most time as the firelord during the war. 75 years and all he does is build a statue/gates, have the southern waterbenders captured and destroyed a few Earth kingdom cities with complete control of the most advanced nation in the world. 12.	Again, I don’t hate iroh I just think his character and power are inflated.