Talk:Azula/Archive 2

Age
I have changed Azula's age because {I'm sure you will agree} she looks older--Lightning Shenron 16:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

She does, but that hasn't been confirmed nor can it be assumed. I do agree however, Azula does look older. Vaznock 16:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I saw what you did it was fine in my book. Vaznock 16:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

undo it omni has already said not to do that nobody in avatar looks their ageLuvingazula - Talk 16:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks any way, Lightning Sher-something. Vaznock 16:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Dai Li
If Azula is leader of the dai li, does that make her a member, then? Vaznock 19:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. She is not an Earthbender--Lightning Shenron 19:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Chinese translation
Can someone provide me with a source for her Chinese name? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

false info?
there was something about her firebending out her ears! i saw it and well you know, thought that the hell. i removed it but if it is true re add it. Luvingazula - Talk 20:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's actually true. She did so in the final episode. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 21:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

well it must have been the wording on the page that made me think that. God her ears weird.Luvingazula - Talk 21:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Allies 2
Wouldn't The Royal Fire Academy for Girls count as an allie of Azula's? Vaznock 19:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably not. She's an enemy of the Fire Nation establishment now anyway, with Zuko as Fire Lord. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

images
i like the image of her orange firebending but it seems out of place. it should be in but it need to be moved sorted. Luvingazula - Talk 21:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. It helps show her progress over time, and works as a contrast in the rest of the section. Puragus Talk 23:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya, what Puragus said. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

no i meant it makes the text look funny Luvingazula - Talk 23:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

looks alot better now but it shouldn't take 8 edits. Luvingazula - Talk 14:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

That wasnt the only thing I edited. There were many different sections that needed editing. - Zero - Talk 15:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

we but when i do that many edits i get told off. Luvingazula - Talk 15:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Cause you tend to edit the same thing, Zero edited different sections, thought I still prefer to click the edit on the entire article at once if I think I'll edit more than one section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

My system slows when I edit a whole article with too much data. Which is why I tend to use section edits. Much faster. - Zero - Talk 05:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ye, my old computer would slow down for edits to the whole article. New one doesn't though. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ye thats also why I need to make so many edits. Luvingazula -  Talk  20:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh...you make multiple edits to the same section. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 02:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Quote

 * Is there any chance we could change the quote? Luvingazula  -  Talk  20:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I will try to find a few. Luvingazula  -  Talk  21:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't be bothered. Luvingazula  -  Talk  21:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh, as a rule don't change quotes unless it is clearly better than the one we have. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 23:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok I am back. I now a few but I will have to look for them. May take a while. Luvingazula  -  Talk  10:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Intelligent
All that intelligence and We got two lines. Shame on you! Luvingazula -  Talk  21:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Personality Section
I've been thinking, we should vary Azula's personality section. There are two episodes of her at the beach, and two insane ones. Instead, I think we should use 4 images for Azula's 4 main aspects to her personality.

First, we should replace the image of her destroying a child's sand castle of the first one to the right.

The second one of her soft side should stay.

The third one should be replaced with an image that shows Azula's temper, which is the second image shown on the right.

The fourth one shows an insane Azula, so it should say.

So technically what I'm saying is we should have an image for these four aspects of her personality, Calmness and Precision, Rarely seen Soft Side, Temper, Insanity, and I believe these images cover 1 and 3. Vaznock - Talk 22:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I added them. I will do anything to make this article better. [[Image:Azula-dobs-c7.gif|32×30 px]] - Luvingazula  -  Talk  18:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi I'm new here and I know this sounds stupid but I think that deep inside she has a good heart and I think she desserves a second chance and that there is good inside her and her life is so sad her mother I could not bare to see the tears in her eyes I love azula--AvatarMaster 15:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC). Image : Ep 61-729.png l thumb left l 250px


 * That's great, but please talk about these things on the forums, specifically on this one. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 15:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I did cheak it out please and thank you--AvatarMaster 20:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC).

Broken Mirror and Azula
The mirror image of a character usually portrays the self image of a character(how they see themselves), a broken mirror is the moment the character loses self-control, undergoes a drastic personality change or goes insane.

So even though the paranoid state of Azula was triggered by Mai and Ty Lee betraying her what really made her lose her control was infact the change in her self image (Azula's self image was the calculating cold monster- that's how she thought how her mother saw her self and probably the only weakness of Azula as we see at the episode The Beach ),

When Azula was stripped from everything once defined her character; her friends, brother, father, servants, mentors she was finally able to look at her true self,(her self image changed when her mother told her " she didn't fear her but loved her") much like when Zuko did and had a metamorphosis but Azula couldn't accept her new identity, unlike Zuko and became mentally unstable.

When you combine this with the fact that Azula got her character from her father who was clearly troubled, you get to see Azula from a whole different perspective, I thought this should be mentioned somewhere, but putting this in the article might not be a good idea since psychoanalysis is highly subjective.

Cheers, tell me what you think --Yaang 22:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think your a very perceptive character. Yes, this is a fascinating concept and trivia worthy (in my opinion). Vaznock - Talk 00:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Yaang I think their is good in azula but she was taught to be evil more then zuko so nobody knows if she will become a good guy--FireLordAzula 00:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC).

that makes total sense Yaang, or perhaps the going nuts was part of the Metamorphasis. probably not but people are different so perhaps they should change differently to.Cjspalding (talk &bull; contribs) 22:27, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Movie
I think that Selena Gomez should play Princess Azula they look alike same hair color same skin color same eye color they fisicaly look alike all they need to do is make her hair longer and give her the same hair style the right make-up and the right clothing and she will pass as her twin sister--FireLordAzula 00:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC).


 * This page isn't a forum about Azula. It is to discuss improvements to the article. Post comments like this on Forum:Avatar-related Discussion or Forum:Film-related Discussion. Wjxhuang,  the 888th Avatar  {Talk} 03:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer Lucy Liu personally. --Lucifuge Rofacale 11:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't now and as for lucy liu she is 40 selena is 16 if anybody has any ideas let me now on film-related disscussion

Sorry, but most people can't even access the new forum. I created an account, and I still can't log in.Hiroakira Fengxian (talk &bull; contribs) 01:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

casting for azula
I actually agree that Selena Gomez would be a good choice for Azula, but that is just going on looks. I'm not doubting Selena Gomez's acting, but this in a way would be a whole new level, Azula is a deep and complicated character that needs to be played well just as all the other characters.

However, since Dev Patel is going to be playing Zuko, I don't really think they look like brother and sister. I am disappointed in the casting for Zuko, Dev Patel is a great actor but not Zuko [in my mind] and this choice will certainly affect the choice for Azula.

~avatar fan :] wed july 1, 2009

No it won't and as for the acting she plays a charecter who acts kinda like Azula Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place--KataraTophAzula 22:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I was wrong about Lucy Lieu. There's only one woman for the part of Azula (apart from Gray DeLisle obviously): Megan Fox. --Lucifuge Rofacale 14:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Age
In the video game burning earth she calls Zuko little brother two times one in boiling rock and second when Zuko and Katara are fighting Azula so she is 17 because she is called a kid and people that are called kids until they are 18 so she is 17--KataraTophAzula 01:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC).

Or she was just being condescending. Vaznock - Talk 01:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No if she was younger then she would have just said brother--KataraTophAzula 02:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay Vaznock you my friend so I'll stop saying that she is seventeen--KataraTophAzula 02:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Good, I didn't think it would end so nicely. Vaznock - Talk 02:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Look at the botom I am trying to get rid of the "Azula had sex with the Avatar in the last episode, but it was not aired on Nickelodeon." but you keep undoing my edits and leaving it there.Azulahumper 18:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I got rid of it.-- Avatar Talk 18:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If Azula was older she'd be heir instead of Zuko unless it's a sexiest goverment and you have 2 b a guy.24.62.101.105 17:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Azula’s age would be 17, older than Zuko. Her first appearance was not at the end of season one. Technically her first appearance was in episode 12: The Storm, she is seen in Zuko's flashback during his agni kai and I would say did appear to be 14 something you probably wouldn’t notice watching the series once.

I apologize in advance, I'll be rude: we already know that, it's already been discussed, Nick.com listed her age in its Avatar website when she first appeared, she's 14, deal with it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Young Azula
I think that this image serves better to depict Azula's manipulative personality. The current one is just her sulking... ―  T hailog  23:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I do like this one,but the current one is pretty good. It makes her seem "evil" from a young age.-- Avatar Talk 23:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Both are fine in my opinion, but for the sake of reducing images, the one suggested is fine. The quality isn't even all that bad for an Avatarspirit.net image. Vaznock - Talk 23:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sulking does not equate evilness. Most children pout; but not many display such deceptiveness and manipulation at that age. That's rotten character, which is mentioned on the text next to the image: "Azula used her acting and cunning to convince her mother to make Zuko play with them." ―  T hailog  23:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You know, I see what you mean there. I like the one you shown,too. And I see your point, it would show manipulation. So, in brief, this picture is fine with me.-- Avatar Talk 23:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go with the smileing younge Azula because it shows not to let her cute face fool you and you can't judge a book by it's cover--KataraTophAzula 22:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Images
Who's the user that refined the image's descriptions? I must say, whoever it was did a great job and deserves a pat on the back. Vaznock - Talk 15:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I found the picture but I did not do the description when I put the image I put Azula as a little girl--KataraTophAzula 00:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thailog, see here.-- Avatar Talk 00:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Proof That She is 17
I have proof she is 17 it was from the official avatar comics and she called him little brother in the story Going Home Again I finally have proof what do you have to say about that because the only thing I ever prooved right was Nicola Peltz in Miley Cyrus's 7 thing music video and I have to be right about this I have proof--KataraTophAzula 16:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not proof. It's your interpretation. ―  T hailog  16:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what that mean but if it means that I did it myself then I did not I'm a bad artist it is real proof from the avatar comics--KataraTophAzula 16:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * (facepalm) He means that among the ways to understand little in that context, you chose to understand that she's older than him. Go to nick's Avatar site, select the first episode of season two, character section, Azula, first sentence in Azula's entry: "Daughter to Fire Lord Ozai, Azula is Zuko's 14-year-old younger sister." Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would Ozai focouse on his second born child and a girl government was sexist back then she could only have his attention if she was first born that cased her to be evil--KataraTophAzula 17:16, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fire Nation has never been sexist, just because all heads of state have been male, it doesn't mean the Fire Nation is sexist, if they were, I highly doubt that women would be able to join the army, like Ming did. The only sexism in the power structure in the show is clearly the Northern Water Tribe. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the only thing a women has a right for thats why Azula culd not inherit the throne--KataraTophAzula 17:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why did the Fire Sages didn't go "WTF?!?!" when Ozai ordered them to crown Azula? Why did they agree to do it? As long as the power remained in his family, in his bloodline, I don't really think he'd care if it was a female. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Because there was no other choice and highest that a non royal can be is in the army as a soilder aand sometimes Fire Lady but they don't have much power it's sexist and she is 17--KataraTophAzula 17:32, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * KTA, please understand that the facts outweigh your argument here. Just because one source says one thing, that does not mean the dozens of others are wrong. This is clearly just a flop in the comic's writing - Azula is younger than Zuko. The Flash  {talk} 17:35, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Here. Read it, understand it, stop pushing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

What about her head piece it changes when the princess comes of age and that would at 13 but in the flashback if she was 14 now back then she would be 11 and call me crazy but that is not an age for coming of age and the fire nation is sexist they even use the women as sexy figures and I must say Azula is the prettiest of all the women in the fire nation espesualy with her hair down--KataraTophAzula 17:48, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no proof that head pieces change in the avatar world when you reach a certain age. It could just be her whim, and I don't think the Fire Nation is sexist. If they were, then Azula's coronation would never even happen. I think like others have said, as long as it's in the family they don't care.-- Avatar Talk 18:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

They are and plus Ursa was in an arranged marriage with Ozai that is sexist make a women forced to be married to someone against her will and of all the fire nation female soilders they have worn outfits that look sexy they outfits look like Ty Lee's but armer the only thing missing is a short skirt and face it if it would help take over the world Ozai would make Azula look like a sexy figur and force her to marry against her will--KataraTophAzula 18:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to kindly ask you this once: please, drop this issue at once. You are making the most outrageous and ludicrous assumptions based on creative choices (headpieces and uniforms) and your personal preferences (your obvious liking of Azula). How in the world do you come to the conclusion that Ursa had an arranged marriage with Ozai? Azula calling Zuko "little brother" is merely a taunting epithet she uses, disguised as a loving nickname, only meant to belittle and mock him, just like "Zuzu." It can't be taken literally. You are twisting minutiae to draw conclusions in support of something you believe, despite proof to the contrary. Besides, Azula has addressed Zuko by "little brother" in at least one episode, and if that was not sufficient to support your claims, a comics strip surely won't make any difference. ―  T hailog  19:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Three times her age has been discussed. Ugh. She should be around 14-15. Zuko is 16 when the story begin and a year passes ('a year ago I was hunting you down' - Zuko to Aang) so he should be about 17 by the end of the story. Azula, since she is younger than Zuko cannot be more than 16 when the story ends but it seems that she is a total of two years younger. She's cruel and calculating...but cruel and calculating doesn't have to be for an older character. I've watched the episodes multiple times and I cannot recall Azula saying that she is older than Zuko. From what I see, 14-15 are all the girls. http://www.nick.com/shows/avatar/characters/azula.html I think the best thing is to leave it as unknown like in the regular wiki for now and if we get a chance with talking to the authors again in SDCC or NYCC, we should ask. --Gatogirl12345 20:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I will back down but this wiki says Ursa and Ozai's marriage was arranged--KataraTophAzula 20:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So should we put that she's 15--KataraTophAzula 20:26, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it says anywhere that Ursa and Ozai's marriage was arragned, and we don't know if azula is 15 (probably not). Though it seems unlikely the whole series' plot is less than 1 year, so most of the characters remained the same age through out the series.-- Avatar Talk 21:30, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Aang does say in the last episode "I can't believe that a year ago I was still frozen in a block of ice". The plot basically happens in less than a year, with Book 1 starting in the winter and book 3 ending at the end of summer, which is when I think Roku said it would come in "The Winter Solstice". Tophvision 21:34, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah so is she 15 or not and it does say it was arranged in Fire Lady, and Ozai's Relationships in the Ursa section so there--KataraTophAzula 21:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * "So there" just wins you the argument. This wiki is made by fans — fans are people, and people make mistakes. The only official source I can find in which this topic is addressed, is in this Q&A with Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. DiMartino says "I imagine they are arranged, but we have not talked about it. We have talked in general about the Fire Nation and that arranged marriages would be more common, especially in the royalty." This is hardly canon, seeing as it leaves open possibilities. Ozai and Ursa's marriage could have been arranged, or they might have not. Also, Azula could have just turned 14 just before the end of Book 1, which means that by the time Aang made that comment ("[...] a year ago I was still frozen in a block of ice") Azula could still be 14, about to turn 15. The only official word we have about Azula's age is from the Official Avatar Site, which states that she is 14, and thus it shall remain until further notice. Any other alternative would be conjecture, and we deal with facts. ―  T hailog  22:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So what do you think they were in love Ozai dosn't love anyone he even used his own daughter and he didn't even like her and he scared his son there is no love in his heart--KataraTophAzula 23:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Flashbacks Zuko had from Ember Island imply that Ozai may have been a loving father at some point, and since nothing is known about Ozai's childhood, it's very possible that the reason Ozai is so ruthless is because he himself suffered that, Azulon clearly favored Iroh. The big flaw in most, if not all your arguments is that you state biased opinions and speculative possibilities as facts that are beyond any doubt. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

So what look at these facts the chances of Azula to turn good is 7-10 and the chances of Ozai turning good is one in a million--KataraTophAzula 01:07, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Pay more attention, I'm not saying Ozai will or can turn good, I'm saying that Ozai, in the past, might have been less evil, to the point of being a loving parent. Big difference. Quit trying making excuses. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

He trained his daughter to try to be evil all her life and he turned Azula from a sweet little girl to a monster there are millions of people that want Azula to be good I did my research and I feel like a big nerd for doing so but I found out there are 80% of the world of avatar fans that want Azula to turn good but I guss I can't do anything about it--KataraTophAzula 01:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally I think turning Azula good would ruin her as a quality character. She never even was a sweet little girl- just watch Zuko Alone. If she does turn good, it can't be some miracle turnaround, she needs to have problems with it at every turn. Tophvision 02:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well that was when she was 9 we don't know what she was earier nobody is born evil except Suki and I didn't say 100% of the world wanted to your just one of those 20% people who don't want her to and here's how it goes Zuko in season 1 nobody wanted him good 0% then seasons 2 and 3 80% and Azula season 2 0% then season 3 80% and I fave seen several stories on the internet that involves Azula turning good and she can still keep her grouchy aditude just like Zuko and I'm determined even if I have to become a producer and make a fourth movie and she can still be coniving and remember when her and Ursa were talking after she cut off her bangs she was a Zuko and Ursa was Iroh what she was looking for love all her life she gets love from her mother when she said "I love you Azula I do" and she ends up bad no that is not how it's suppose to go down--KataraTophAzula 02:43, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're entitled to your opinion. I will say, though, I actually believe everyone is born with a sinful nature- have you ever known a toddler who never threw a tantrum over something selfish, or never tried taking toys from other kids? But that's not the topic here. Tophvision 02:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Why can't you people use you imagination and imagine that she could turn good and she could have a second chance like Zuko not to be rude put yourself in her place you father is useing you and he didn't even like you and you didn't even know it and you thought you mother hated you but she loves you and your mother disappeard--KataraTophAzula 03:48, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

"'He trained his daughter to try to be evil all her life and he turned Azula from a sweet little girl to a monster' 'nobody is born evil except Suki'"
 * What show have you been watching? I must have missed a lot of episodes.


 * This discussion has gone from nonsensical, to off-topic and to flat out ridiculous. She is 14, and the probabilities of her becoming good are just the same as those of your becoming a film producer. Discussion over. ―  T hailog  08:59, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I can think Suki is evil if I want to and she's just 14 when she a confused teenager--KataraTophAzula 13:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * How you reached the conclusion that Suki is evil from her actions, all of which point to the contrary, is beyond common sense. You are free to think whatever you want, misguided as it may be, but you need to keep those thoughts to yourself. This is not the Fa-la-la land. We deal with facts here. Made up stuff belongs in Fanon. Also, this page is not a forum, and since this discussion is about Azula being 17, a claim that has been overwhelmingly refuted, this argument needs to end now. I've asked nicely once, and yet you insist in keeping this off-topic blether. If you pursue, you may incur in a block. So think carefully what you do want to do next. ―  T hailog  14:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

???
does anybody know why azula's firebending is blue? --Dudewaldo4 20:10, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's because of her strive for perfection. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:13, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

/:( but why does that make it blue??? --Dudewaldo4 20:15, December 21, 2009 (UTC) Because the more you train, the more your fire gets hotter. Azula's want for perfection resembles why her fire is blue, she trains so hard and eventually her fire turned blue because its hotter. --Dixie

OOOOOO!! Thanks!

--Dudewaldo4 17:23, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Mental Health Facility?
Can somebody please post a link to where it says that she was transferred to a mental healthy facility? I'm not doubting it, I just can't find it myself, and I've looked on the Nick site.

71.239.228.86 20:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC) 71.239.228.86 21:57, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was in Nick's site, but season three info is no longer available in it. It was in the character section of the last episode entry. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:46, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sucks. Thanks anyway.

Insanity or Mental Disorder?
Do you agree with the assumption that Azula may suffer from Narrsasistic Personality Disorder rather than outright insanity. (Note: it isn't the same). After watching the episodes again, I notice how perfect a villian she really is. I admire her, and her character's portrayal. Azula exhibits all of the qualities of being a sociopath, for example. I believe that her father's cruelty, her mother's "neglect", and losing Ty Lee and Mai to Zuko all played a part in her instability. Does anyone agree that the character of Azula could be a victum of a mental disorder as well, which caused her to become so instable and manipulative? Some qualities of a sociopath are: the ability to lie, and lie easily without the usual sighns, pass a lie-detector test, are manipulative, unable to feel 'normal' emotions such as regret, sorrow, or sympathy. They are cunning, skillful, often use 'friends' or 'family' as associates they can partner with and drop later. Often, they become leaders, such as lawyers, politions, or other high positions. I believe Azula shows genuine remorse with Ty Lee, but is really stuggeling with her mental illness, because she laughs at Ty Lee later. . . Know that I am by no means dissing Azula, but allowing her a new side overv than just 'evil', which I believe she is not. She can be, of course, and she enjoys that. But she has her own issues, like everyone. Am I making sense here? lol! Any questions? What do you think about this assumption? Azula is one of my favorite characters! Kyoshi&#39;s Fan (talk &bull; contribs) 22:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC) April 16, 2010

She is crazy as Iroh described her in "Bitter Work". Please refer to the previous post which explained why Azula became evil and crazy. Nick.com before it updated its design mentioned the reasons that made her go crazy:

"Imagine being betrayed by your best friends, abandoned by your mother, and humiliated by your brother. It's enough to make any teenage girl act a little nutty. Add to that the pressure of becoming Firelord and running an entire nation by herself, Azula was bound to crack sooner or later. After Zuko defeated her in the Agni Kai, Azula was shipped off to a mental health facility on a nearby island where she is supervised around the clock."Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 18:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

UGH. I know WHY she went crazy. I was just wondering about the idea thatr Azula was always this way, only the loss of her friends quickened the onset, making us aware of how unstable Azula really is. There is a difference between insanity and mental dissorders. I don't think Azula just up and lost her mind- I think she was ALWAYS slightly unstable, but everything that happened to the poor girl made it more prominant. That can happen, you know. I am defending her, not bashing her. So pleasestop talking to me as if I suggested she had two heads. Kyoshi&#39;s Fan (talk &bull; contribs) 22:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Azula became unstable due to the way she was raised not because she was always this way.That what Mike and Bryan said about Azula in Sozin's Comet book interview.Please refer to it in item number 20 in the table of contents. It is only craziness rather than mental disorder. I think there was a misunderstanding and both of us defended Azula.Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 21:20, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for listening and I understand. I was just contemplating the fact that most people compare her condition with Narsasistic Disorder, as she has most of the symptoms. This is not a bad thing at all. I was just contemplating. It sounds much kinder and more descriptive of her current state than just 'crazy', don't you think? I just thought maybe she always had mental insability due to how she was raised by her father. This changes nothing about her. Nor would it change the way anyone feels about her. I love her as character, and find her interesting. I'm just pointing out the fact that a slight mental disorder could also make snese here, and could have been WORSENED/MADE by the way she was treated. I was only wondering because it seems a likely cause of her need to be a leader and manipulate others even at such a young age. It would also explain why Zuko did not do the evil things she resorted to. I wasn't bashing her at all, and I'm glad you see that. But if you read the article. . . it seems plausible, and not as offensive and general as just plain 'crazy'. It would also explain her mental breakdown and visson at the end, because Azula thrived on being a leader and being feared, so she lost it. See? It changes NOTHING about her or her actions at all. It is just an interesting way to view our favorite character! Does it still sound like I'm being mean?68.11.150.251 17:29, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Azula used fear to keep her family and friends around her and to prevent betrayal (e.g. the Dai Li) due to her insecurity.

It doesn't sound like you are being mean at all.Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:18, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Poor Azula! I'm a bit diapointed she won't appear at the ending of the Last Airbender movie. Perhaps they have another way to let everyone who watches it know there will be a continuation. Like they did it in the show to let the fans know they didn't just add her in because they needed a villian. They let her appear in camos.

You are welcome. Perhaps, the next two movies could portray what was in her mind to the fans like Sozin's Comet Book and Tales from the Earth Kingdom Chronicles: The Tale of Azula did.Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 17:31, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow! a whole page of fans who are on her side.finally..Im going to side with the fact that she has NPD(narrsasistic personality disorder). you all have some pretty good. but in a way, I blame ozai for the state she is in now.....but if she wasn't the way she was, then i guess that we wouldn't love her.I also think that the thing that pushed her over the edge, is the moment that zuko started to surpass her, in their agni - kai. in way...thinking that she was still better than him, might have been one of the last things holding her together. i also wonder what if zuko would have at least given her a simple thank you or a small hug for giving him a chance to come home. something that he was after for like 3yrs. Then again, she might not have been able to handle the thought of such a change.might have made her lose it faster.so that could have been bad, or it could have been good for her stability.ya know....maby for second, at least one of her family members didn't treat her like a, total enemy or a tool of war, or a monster, or a.........ill just stop...i like her character too much to continue if anything i both like and feel bad for her more than any other character on any other show that i watch,P.S it looks like someone has a simular user name to mineKaizuh (talk &bull; contribs) 23:43, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Azula suffered from Narcissistic personality disorder as result of her upbringing but not because of her genes.Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 00:00, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Do Zuko,Ty Lee,Iroh,Mai and Team Avatar still see Azula as an enemy?

Azula was their enemy in the past. Zuko sent her to a mental health facility to recover. After her mental breakdown, he saw Azula as a person who needed help rather than enemy. Katara felt the same way. Mai,Ty Lee,Iroh and Team Avatar would base their decision on the decision of Zuko and Katara. Considering the possibility of knowing why she became evil and crazy from the therapists.

Did Zuko take Azula's title away?

Zuko wouldn't do that because it won't help her.

I would like to hear a different opinion. Thanks.Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:42, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Your right they see her not as an enemy anymore but more as a poor girl that needs some helpKataraTophAzula (talk &bull; contribs) 02:51, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

When Azula first appeared in Siege of the North, she looked really different from now. My question is did they have to rush her at the start so she could appear on the right time? DragonFIREEmperor

The Last Airbender comic book prequel
Does anyone think that we should include mention of Azula's role in the movie's prequel comic? Hiroakira Fengxian (talk &bull; contribs) 18:53, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

I find it amusing that in the "Crossroads of Destiny" Katara was able to take Azula hand-for-hand and quickly overpowered her if Zuko did interfere.Azula is a Master Firebender and is only bested maybe by her father Ozai,and Jeong Jeong.But when she was pitted against Aang who had 3 elements to his disposal he couldn't win.Katara who has fought Zuko countless times couldn't lay anything on him,and she is a Master Water-bender, Zuko is still learning and perfecting his bending.Kibo100 (talk &bull; contribs) 13:53, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure that this is the article head you want to put this under. And BTW, Zuko had fought Katara like a dozen times by that point, while this was probably Katara and Azula's first fair fight. Likewise, Azula had fought Aang three times by this point. It's all a matter of experience. As for Azula vs. Zuko, Azula uses Sun Tzu's tried and true strategy of constantly pissing off your opponant so that they wind up doing stupid things (i.e. Zuko running into that floorless building in The Chase, lol).Hiroakira Fengxian (talk &bull; contribs) 19:09, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

katara could overpower azula but not zuko because, zuko and azula have different fighting stylesKaizuh (talk &bull; contribs) 23:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Azula's Trivia
Azula is a spanish last name. For an example, Hernan Azula, the two terms Palatka city commissioner.

Source: http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/07/19/vote_2006/vote.40.txt

Also, Lara Azula.

Source: http://festivalbuenosairesgran.wordpress.com/grupos/ (In Spanish) Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:21, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

age
In truth Azula is actully 14 in the beginning, but somewhere in the middle of the end of book2 and the beginning of book 3 she had her birthday.that is why I put 14/15.Hannah230 (talk &bull; contribs) 01:03, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

age
In truth Azula is actully 14 in the beginning, but somewhere in the middle of the end of book2 and the beginning of book 3 she had her birthday.that is why I put 14/15.Hannah230 (talk &bull; contribs) 01:03, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Trivia be fixed?Technically the Azula DID kill Aang.Aang was in the Spirit world and Katara revived him.


 * Azula never had a birthday during the series. Vaznock  -  Talk  23:09, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Latest change in the personality section
"Like her father, Azula hungers for personal power and is a dedicated nationalist, though ultimately her loyalties always lie with her own self, not any friends, family, country, or abstract values. "

Bolded part was added recently and i think is incorrect. Azula serves his father and his country to the end. One can argue of course Azulas father and the fire nation are one and the same but my point stands. I say we remove this part.--Yaang (talk &bull; contribs) 22:33, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

agni kai
so, i have to admit i am troubled by the apparent plot hole. azula beat zuko in the agni kai, ive read because she fired at katara she sacrificed the match but zuko took the hit. i know i am a huge azula fan, but... i still think they made zuko firelord because it suited the story, not logically. in that sense, they should have made zuko land the finishing blow. that would have been more pleasing to the audience and zuko fans as he finally bested his sister.

any thoughts on that? im still bent on her being the firelord because she won...

They wouldn't show him kill her, she was also in no condition to be Fire Lord, since she cheated, Zuko won, he was also the only one that could rule. Courage  the Cowardly User  08:24, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well that episode has several weird things. First of all Azula technically can't be fire lord because lord is a male title. At best she would be called firelady.

Second, Angi Kai is a form of duel which's whole point is 2 men fighting each other. This means no one can interfere and they can't do anything to anybody except each other. Other thing to note here is that only men duel since only men have honor.

Also we are not given the win condition of Agni Kai. First one to hit ?, does the opponent have to declare he has lost ?, first blood ?

Also they do Agni Kais for honor not to determine who is going to be the firelord so even if you interperet Azula as the winner of the Agni Kai that doesn't make her the rightful ruler, two are completely separate things.

Oh by the way Auzla is sent to a mental health facility after the series is over. --Yaang (talk &bull; contribs) 11:11, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

1)The president of the US has never belonged to a female, females of the first family are called "First Lady" if a female was ever given the title a male would be First Man or something, it is the same for Azula.

2)It is never stated only males fight in it, nor that only males have honor.

3)It was never stated that it is just for honor, in fact there are several thigns that say it covers many topics, for example Kuruk's challenge to the man that was just going to the store.

I know, what is your point? Avatar Courage 05:43, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Azula's Attire
I have read over this beautifully written page on one of the most dynamic villains in the series; but has anyone noticed in Book 2 Azula is not cladded with the signature black breast plate? She only begins wearing this after she conquered Ba Sing Se. Though she gave the credit of slaying the Avatar to her brother for malicious reasons, she was recognized for her dubious act of portraying herself as the Kyoshi Warriors and Dai Li Chairman. She is also introduced wearing this armor when Lo and Li explain her conquest to the people of her nation. In my opinion, this was signs of a promotion, such as Zhao was in Book 1. Should this be noted on her page? I feel it is worthy, but it may be under speculation and why I bring it up here. Remember, Fire Nation royalty are accomplished military personnel. Sozin, Azulon and Iroh have been recognized as a General ( but, in standards he may have been above that ), so I wouldn't put it pass her that Azula may have been formally titled a high position in the army. Being a Princess is one thing, but being an over-accomplished military tactician while being a Princess is a category in itself. Prince Azula http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab307/yeahthatboy/azula-dobs-c1.gif 08:14, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well technically there's no way to confirm this, so if you were to add it to her wiki page it would have to be under the appropriate section (so don't pass it off as being a confirmed in any way) or have a disclaimer to say that's its not confirmed. Although what you say is true, it would make sense that after conquering the last major Earth kingdom city (and thus ending the war) would deserve a promotion or two. :D Admiral-165 (talk &bull; contribs) 16:00, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also i just noticed: the regular red hair clip Azula wears is replaced with a larger gold one, i noticed this in "The Phoenix King" but i don't know if she had it before then. Admiral-165 (talk &bull; contribs) 15:24, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that too! She is wearing the golden one during the Western Air Temple, etc. etc. It seems she wears the black armor with the golden hair clip and the red one when she has red cloth over her armor. Too bad we can't decipher if this was an animation decision ( as the character drawings vastly improve between season 2 and season 3 ) or if she actually was promoted. :/ Oh, well. Maybe this can be used to fuel a new Fanon about her. Though I must admit the one I was linked to earlier in this page is flawless.

Prince Azula http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab307/yeahthatboy/azula-dobs-c1.gif 22:14, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Azula During Into The Inferno
I actually want to pose one more thing. I may stand alone on this, but I too am very analytical of body language and when Azula began banishing members of her soon-to-be kingdom, she was acting in a common case of paranoia due to the people she trusted her own pride and life with betrayed her. It is only then Azula finally cracks. However, it isn't till this episode that we get to see her self-reflection. Everything that the page has stated is how I too conceived the messages, however it wasn't noted that she finally began to realize what she did was wrong. This is evident because when Ursa uses the analogy of her confusion with the situation involving Mai and Ty Lee, its only then she bites her lips then explains herself to Ursa. The conversation between her and Ursa is a reflection of the argument she battles within herself, similar to what happens to Zuko in either The Earth King or The Guru ( when he has the two dragons baiting him to choose right and wrong ). The fact that she responds with, "Well, what choice do I have?!" means that Azula is aware of what she is doing throughout the series is wrong, but since she had a lack of affection due to a dysfunctional maternal relationship, she had to please the only one whom she felt loved her: Ozai. When Ozai rejects her in The Phoenix King, she crumbles because she sacrificed so much for her father in return to be abandoned. Remember, Zuko arrived during her coronation not to battle an Agni Kai, but to reclaim his throne forcefully. However, Azula seizes this opportunity to finally assassinate her brother, and thus regain her honor, an element each major character of the series undergoes ( Aang in The Awakening and Avatar Aang, Katara in The Southern Raiders, Sokka in The Boiling Rock, Toph in The Blind Bandit, King Bumi in The Old Masters [ but technically in The Day of Black Sun ] Zuko in The Day of Black Sun and Iroh in Into the Inferno ), by fulfilling Ozai's wish of maintaining to the homeland. In other words, Azula goes through exactly what Zuko does, but rather than taking 2.5 seasons to do so, she did in about 7 episodes. Also, assassinating Zuko would also mend the internal wound ( or a grudge ) caused by him as he was the root that sprouted the betrayals of Mai and Ty Lee. Another way I support this point is that when Zuko was experiencing this slippery slope concept, he challenged Azula to an Agni Kai in means of desperation, as she did to him under the same manner during Into the Inferno.

Summary: Azula knew what she was doing was wrong, but chose to do so because she felt she had no other choice due to her upbringing and family situation. This would not deem her as a sociopath but rather a narcissistic personality disorder which is defined by using perfection, glamour and ego to mask an internal conflict. Sociopath is one who commits cruelty without reason, where-as Azula did have reason, we were just not exposed to this until very late into the series, which not only made her character development one of the best in the series, but also the prime example if you choose the "evil" over "good," where-as Zuko chose the good and she the evil in the finale of the series. I would love to see if the community thinks this is relevant and if it should be acknowledged on her profile page.

Prince Azula http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab307/yeahthatboy/azula-dobs-c1.gif 10:44, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I actually read a very good fan fic that was about Azula and what happened after the end of the show, it basically explained a lot of the things you said there. It would make sense that she knew what she was doing was wrong because when Ursa appeared and talked to her, she was just a hallucination right? so therefore she was something Azula created in her mind and considering that what 'Ursa' said (which we assume is 'good') it must mean that Azula does have some good in her, and therefore she must have realized she was doing evil. Also about her going insane: it makes sense that after everyone she trusted betrayed her that she would go insane, if she was brought up believing that everyone should bow to her and worship her, and then suddenly they don't (and even worse, they betray her) then that would effectively undermine everything she believes.

if you want to read the fan fic then here it is:

part 1 - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4834864/1/Heart_of_Fire

part 2 - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5010226/1/Path_of_Fire

part 3 - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5248250/1/Soul_of_Fire

I think it would be a good idea to mention this one her page, it would help non-critical users understand why she did what she did. Admiral-165 (talk &bull; contribs) 16:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Right. Remember when Zuko chooses to let Appa go, and he returns to his apartment with Iroh and faints and he has the dream with the two dragons and when he looks into the mirror he see's himself as the Avatar ( it was Zuko's face, but with the Airbender tattoos )? It was because he saw aspects of Aang in himself. This is a common tactic used by creators to show how the character views themself, but this example I just told you is a very easy one to understand. Zuko was baited by the two dragons, one representing Azula ( his bad side ) and one representing Iroh ( his good side ). When he goes to the mirror, and see's his reflection of himself resembling Aang ( and ultimately ending the dream ), he realizes that he see's traits of the Avatar within him, and accepts his humbleness. That is why Zuko is portrayed as "peaceful," until he baited by Azula when Iroh is captured by the Dai Li, which is reminiscent to the dream: "You're free to choose," she says.

Now concerning Azula, it requires a little more psychological digging, but this is hard evidence as this is an actual scene and not something I am basing off personal opinion. It is what I understood of watching the scene with the mirror, her and her mother. First off, Azula cuts her signature bangs is symbolic to the fact that the "perfect" Azula is no-more ( Remember, in Book 2's beginning episode, she gets infuriated that a single hair was out of place ). The hallucination with her mother is mirrored to Zuko's dream mentioned earlier. But, rather than 2 dragons to represent her conscious, it is that of her Mother and herself. Everything Ursa says to Azula in that scene is facts that Azula is aware of ( which is why her hallucination can inform her of these things ). This scene reveals to us that Ursa is the embodiment of Azula's "better side," as Ursa poses to Azula that she is confused on the concepts of love and trust. This is why when Ursa says these words, "I think you're confused. You're whole life you used fear to control the people around you. Like your friends, Mai and Ty Lee," the scene cuts to Azula looking into her own reflection. She knows this is true but responds, "Well! What choice do I have?! Fear is the only reliable source. Even you fear me." She is not necessarily referring to Ursa as she is referring to herself, but nonetheless it is a representation of both herself and lack of maternal love. Azula is too scared to let her better side show because it leaves her vulnerable, and is deeply scarred by the lack of affection from her mother. Thus, she uses malice and power to gain personal power rather than courage and respect like the rest of the cast. If everyone were to turn from their mistakes and turn good, the series would become redundant and predictable. Thus, Azula acts as the person who is aware of their situation, but chooses to remain evil despite acknowledgement of what she is doing is wrong. This is why she breaks the mirror, she is rejecting the reality that she has good within her and then sobs on the floor because she feels she has no other choice. Very sad, very dynamic and beautifully written. Azula is the perfect portrayal of an antagonist because she actually has reason to be evil, and not just evil because she plays that part in the story. I would also like to note that when she breaks the mirror, because when Zuko wakes from his dream seeing the avatar in his reflection, shows his acceptance of the fact where-as Azula breaking the mirror shows rejection of it.

Now, how do I incorporate this into the page without discrediting someone else's work?...

Prince Azula http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab307/yeahthatboy/azula-dobs-c1.gif 18:30, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Azula really felt her mother didn't love her and that was why she broke the mirror. In "The Beach", Azula thought Ursa didn't love her as much as Zuko and she felt hurt. She saw her mother giving Zuko more love because of Ozai rejected him as favoring her brother over her. If she was not Ozai's favorite,she wouldn't have any unresloved issues with her mother. Please refere to content # 20 which contains what Mike and Bryan said about her. Kaizen1 (talk &bull; contribs) 02:19, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I belive that zuko could have handled that situation differently....i mean if you can begin to notice that your sister is kinda losing it...then you could at least try to find some way to talk her out of a fight that could result in an even worse of a grudge. i mean she wasn't as clever as she would have normally been so that should have made it easier...im just saying that, persuation should have been plan A and fighting her should have been plan B. i just think it would have been better than "Oh you wanna fight, well fine, lets do this, ill kick your clearly troubled ass."im sure there could have been an alternative way to deal with that. i think that would have been an interesing scene.don't let your views on how much friction they had cloud and reject this idea.can someone atleast try to see this from my point of view.....and i know, know that there are alot of things that are against that idea..im not ignorant to every thing that went on in their lives and i understand that, but i think that he could have atleast tried(i apologize for any grammer mistakes.) so replys?Kaizuh (talk &bull; contribs) 00:21, September 29, 2010 (UTC)