Talk:Azula

Her first appearance was in the last episode of Book 1. If you don't remember, think about the last part!

"Iroh is a traitor and your brother Zuko is a failure. (Cut to a close up of Azula's face as she looks up at her father with a smile) I have a task for you! -Fire Lord Ozai"

See? -Anonymous

But
She is seen briefly in The Storm too when Iroh talked about Zuko's banishment. --Wargasm Reflex 19:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * She definitely was, she had a malicious grin on her face as he was being banished Felinoel 01:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think she's fourteen
I think she's fifteen isn't she? Where does it say she's fourteen?
 * It says she's fourteen at nick.com. She may have aged over the course of the series, but that's the age we're sticking with, because we don't know for sure. And please sign your name using four tildes, (the icon next to the words "sign your user name"). Puragus - Talk 13:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Fine! I'll sign my name, but she looks way older than 14! Master Waterbender 08:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

According to a book released by Barnes and Noble: A:TLA The Earth Kingdom Chronicles: The Tale of Azula, She did mentioned her age as 14. Easternborder

The only characters who probably look their age are Lo and Li. Omnibender - Talk 16:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Personality section needs editing
Especially the new stuff...towards the end. It elaborates too much on the scenes occurring in the finale. I think someone should tidy up the last few paragraphs dealing with Azula's deterioration into insanity, basically, make it more concise. Prove the point about her chara's personality and leave it at that. --Xuelian 22:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Where does she go?
After the finale I wanted to exactly know what had happened to Azula. And will she ever get back to normal?

She is presumably in prison or an asylum. It is highly doubtful that she ever recovers. --Xparasite9 03:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that she is in a Asylum Daniel 03:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm still wondering though, she still has her bending (which is still very powerful) so how long can she be held in a prison/asylum environment... that is unless Aang took her bending away, which is very unlikely... BHynes10 19:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would that be unlikely she would have deserved ~ Daniel 20:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * well, it just doesnt seem like Aang would just go around taking ppl's bending away... BHynes10 20:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * but it's not anyone it is Azula who would use her bending to kill any 0one and she would just be to powerful ~ Daniel 20:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we really trust Nick? They've been wrong loads of times about Avatar. ~ Horyo 14:32, 25, July 2008 (UTC)

When have they been wrong about one of their own shows?PhantomS 09:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Since they are the only source on the matter, I see no reason to doubt the site, if there were any other sources saying something else, then we'd need to look things more throughly. Omnibender 21:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It says on Nick.com that she was being detained in a high security "place" and was being watched around the clock, I think possibly by the Dai Lee. Master Waterbender 08:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Fire Lord (Overthrown before Coronation) Azula
If she was overthrown before coronation there really is no need to name her this... Felinoel 05:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, she was overthrown during the coronation. And unless the title is all that is available, they don't go as names. The 46th Earth King's page is under that name, Kuei's father's page is under 51st Earth King, but Ying (the one who had the monorails built) is under Ying, not XXth Earth King. Omnibender 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But she wasn't the Fire Lord ever apparently, so why give her this title? Felinoel 16:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

See my argument at Talk:Fire Lord. Omnibender 17:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * She was never the Fire Lord she was givin the title but was never CORONATED that mean she was never the FIRE LORD ~ Daniel 20:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * sigh* As I said in Talk:Fire Lord, it was decreed by Ozai that she was the new Fire Lord, she exercised the position, she was seen sitting at the Fire Lord's throne, all of which leads to her being the Fire Lord, just not officially. It's like Voldemort being the Minister of Magic in Deathly Hallows, he was the one making the rules, he was the leader de facto, but the guy at the Ministry was Pius Thickess or whatever his name was. Omnibender 23:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Voldemort was not Minister he was not called "Minister Voldemort" he was called "Lord Voldemort" Pius Thickness was Minisrer imperiused or not amd as for Azula she was not fire lord she was not CORONATED so it wasa not made official so don't call her fire lords ~ Daniel 05:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point, Voldemort never was elected or appointed as Minister, Thickess was, but the real one is charge of things was Voldemort. Anyway, irrefutable arguments were given at Talk:Fire Lord, Azula won't be listed as Fire Lord, but it'll be mentioned that she was overthrown during her coronation, everyone is happy and we can move on. Omnibender 16:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

When was Pius Thickness Minister of Magic?!? He was just a normal minister, right. PAGE NUMBER AND BOOK!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!!11!

During DH, after Scrimgeor is killed, Thickness is appointed as Minister of Magic, before that I think he was head of some Law related department. Omnibender 19:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

He headed the auror office ~ Daniel 22:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "all of which leads to her being the Fire Lord, just not officially" quote of Omni
 * Isn't "not officially" the only thing that matters? Felinoel 05:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

After she was chosen to be fire lord by her father she was still called Princess by her servants, Lo and Li, and the Dai Li ~ Daniel 07:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ozai left instructions for her to become Fire Lord as he would become the Pheonix King. In due process, her reign would start as soon as she was coronated; her sitting on the throne means that she is Ozai's regent, she does not assume the actual lordship until coronation- what's more, she bet the throne on the Agni Kai, which she lost.PhantomS 10:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but actual lordship is what we are counting, not unactual lordship felinoel ~ (Talk) 07:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Until they finished the coronation, she wasn't and isn't a firelord or any other position except princess. So no, she wasn't a firelord, but would have been if Zuko took longer to get there, but he didn't so nope. Thanks. Joey - Talk 07:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Joey. - Zero - Talk 07:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That's kind of what I meant too- Ozai did leave her in charge of the Fire Nation, but the title of Fire Lord wasn't hers due to the stunted coronationPhantomS 09:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Good. Then we are in agreement. - Zero - Talk 09:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Her Firebending
Has anyone noticed that as she lost her mind she used her hands to firebend instead of her fingers? And if she was so crazy how could she maintain blue fire? CoasterKing 13:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that. I think she kept the blue fire cause she still had the "I must be perfect and deadly" mentality. The one thing that surprised me was that she could still use lightning, she was much worse than Zuko in book one. Omnibender 15:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did she still use her full hands for lightningbending? Felinoel 18:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually no. She used her fingers but if you noticed as she was generating it the lightning was all over the place and took longer for her to generate it. And I don't think she was worse than Zuko in book one because he was just bad!CoasterKing 18:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, because I always figured you had to use your fingers for lightningbending Felinoel 18:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it. I think it took longer for her to create it because she was pissed off because Zuko teased her, all the other ones were generated rather quick. Omnibender 18:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I really felt bad for her though when she started getting crazy and when she cried. It was kind of sad. CoasterKing 18:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I agree I also felt bad for her when she started bawling, she sounded like a little child to me. Scott 23:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I really like psycho Azula during the Agni Kai: her face just before her first fire blast, "I'll show you lightning!" (her face is so insane), the laughing just before she starts running after Katara after Zuko goes down just before the scene changes to Ozai vs Aang (her movements right here somehow remind me of one of Aang's dance moves in The Headband), "I really rather our family physician to look after little Zuzu if you don't mind" *shoots lightning*. And of course, jet pack Crazula when pursues Katara. Omnibender 23:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I beleive that even if Azula was crazy her power level was still high enough to generate blue fire, plus it may be a reflection of her own spirit (as the Dragons showed Zuko) as part of a 'spectrum' of sorts. As for the lightning, the only reason I can think of for people using fingers and not hands is only because of accuracy- the same reason Firebenders almost always use their fists when shooting fireballs (compared to an open hand, which would spray the fire needlessly). Iroh uses his fingers to accurately hit the Fire Nation banner on the Earth King's Palace, for instance.PhantomS 14:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Mental health patient
(That is mentioned at nick.com) ^^^Quote by Omni My apologies then Felinoel 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Could someone do me a favor
Would someone put a picture of azula about to have the fire lord hair thing put on her head in the article, cause i have a fan group on a website and A picture of that would go ncely but i cant find one...

We would if we had one. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Omnibender 23:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I added one now, thanks Joey - Talk 07:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

New Profile Pic


I feel a little like I'm inviting trouble so I'm hesitant to ask, buy does anyone like this pic for a new profile image? It's from season three, it shows her entire face (unlike the one now, which has her face turned), it's got an evil and cunning look, and it shows her in an authority position with the two guards in the background. What do people think? Puragus  Talk 07:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

''Evil. Pure... Unadulterated... Evil... (Screaming: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA).'' Lets do it. - Zero - Talk 08:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer that the lighting be a little less bright. Other than that, it looks good. AlexTalk 13:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the lighting bright. Why don't you, Alex? It shows it better and therefore is better quality. --SuperFlash101 15:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I like it, it has everything Puragus already said, and the slightly blurred guards only make her look more self assured or in control. Omnibender - Talk 16:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I just think her face is a little too bright, that's all. AlexTalk 16:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well then, it seems most people are agreed. I'll put it up. Puragus  Talk 17:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

How about this image under the firebending section? . Other than that, I think there should be a permanent editing block on this article. This article is pretty much flawless. (209.2.60.95 22:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC))

WOW! An unregistered user suggesting a permanent edit block to preserve the article? Well, if the bad extreme exists I guess so does the good extreme. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, there should never be a permanent editing block. No piece of writing in our world is flawless. Secondly, the profile image was decided, and it will stay that way. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 05:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's worth suggesting ;) I mean for a such a complicated character as Azula, I felt the article is spot on. Even the profile pic is a great pic. I was suggesting adding my pic to the firebending section, not as the profile pic.


 * Very well. Add. The 888th Avatar - Talk 02:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

user :24.238.83.118
he removed info box watch out for him Lovingazula 21:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

how did she do that
in the boiling rock part 2 when she is fighting zuko and sokka she goes into some what a press up postion with her legs straight Lovingazula 16:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, Benders are usually quite acrobatic. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

But is that actually posiable for someone like azula to do you'll need alot of strength and balance. the balance part yes but the strength part Lovingazula 16:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering the training benders have to go through, I think it quite possible. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

she does not even twitch her legs are so straight Lovingazula 16:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If someone's a Firebending prodigy and had been training since she was very young, I would think that she would be good. The 888th Avatar - Talk 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

yes true but she is fighting zuko and sokka not to mention she junps into the press up postion then hold enn swings her legs forward Lovingazula 16:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

got to go be back in 1 hour winter solstice is on nick 1 hour special Lovingazula 16:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Lovingazula, just watch it online. Here's a link. -- Energy bend  er  17:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

what she did reguires alot od muscle enduranc and strength Lovingazula 18:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe its called the split. It takes years of training but since Azula was a prodigy it was easy for her. - Zero - Talk 18:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

where did you find that out Lovingazula 18:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought it is only partly the split. Anyway. The point is that this move is possible through training. The Split, I got from Kung Fu Panda, the movie. But I do believe that it is an actual position. - Zero - Talk 18:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, all of this is covered in "Other Skills" in the "Abilities" section. Azula and Zuko obviously had a lot of physical training along with Firebending. Puragus  Talk 22:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, remembering that Firebending is the most aggressive of the four bending arts...The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Where?
People keep saying in nick.com it states she is a mental health patient, but where does it state that?Vaznock 17:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Remember to sign your posts, Vaznock. The 888th Avatar - Talk 17:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I can get you a link. Just give me a minute........ AlexTalk 17:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, the link doesn't work for some reason, so I just copied the text from nick.com. It says and i quote:

"After Zuko defeated her in the Agni Kai, Azula was shipped off to a mental health facility on a nearby island where she is supervised around the clock." AlexTalk 17:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I serve witness that this is the actual text. - Zero - Talk 18:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've seen it, and I'm never on the Nick site. The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The Flash nature of Nick's site doesn't allow direct links, to source something there, you need to put the main link and give the directions on how to get there. The mental health thing is from characters section of the last two episodes, which were combined in one single "episode dot" in the site's map. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Profile Picture
I think we should use a different picture for Azula's profile. The picture we already have is great, but I really like the one when she is in the throne room and her blue flames are burning behind her.Vaznock 20:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, the current picture already has all the caracteristics we use to define profile images, plus the current image was chosen in a voting already, it's not going to change anytime soon. And that image is already used elseqhere in the article. We never use repeated images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Your right. Didn't see that.Vaznock 22:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

new profile image anyone? 84.13.37.35 17:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

there are better pics tahn this one 84.13.37.35 17:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You lost your change, in a section above, it was agreed by members of the community to keep the current one, please do not insist. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

i was suggesting not insisting 84.13.37.35 17:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh Oh
Hey, um, I think we've got another vandal dude! I think he is now calling himself, vandal12345the3rd. 24.238.83.118 20:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, its me vaznock, i forgot to log in. Vaznock 20:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

spelling
watch spelling i found youn in the article when it is supposed to be young Luvingazula 18:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

release
zuko said to his father (his time in here would redeem him) not actual words meaning he will be released and i think azula will also get realesed because i believe zuko loves his sister more than he shows Luvingazula 18:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly. He said, and I quote, "Banishing me was the best thing you could do for my life. It put me on the right path. Perhaps your time in here can do the same for you." Note the perhaps. Also remember that Zuko was all for killing Ozai and it was Aang's decision to spare his life by just taking his bending away. So I believe we can safely say that there is no Love lost between the two. As for Zuko and Azula. Zuko may have some minute feelings for his sister. But Azula doesn't. - Zero - Talk 05:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Is she actually all that powerful?
She's undoubtedly intelligent and quite gifted as a Firebender but she actualy seems to be quite a poor fighter. She never actually succeeds in killing anyone, she was easily bested by Ty Lee and and was incapable of fully defeating either Zuko or the relatively inexperienced Aang. She's my favourite character but I question her status as a Firebending prodigy. --86.135.165.198 14:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

what? Ty Lee suprised her in the boiling rock. Killing someone is not easy and she is the only person ever to come close to killing aang. Zuko has improves alot over the series but ay the start she could beat him without bending. In the end she was so much mentally instable her bending suffered Luvingazula 15:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I can explain the killing: Avatar is a show on nickelodeon. Would they really have somebody die on a kids network? AlexTalk 15:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

killing is not shown on camera but jet died zhao dies lu ten died the list goes on Luvingazula 15:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about on-screen deaths. Like Jet and Zhao had to be confirmed by Mike and Bryan so it's not like it was majorly obvious that they died. AlexTalk 15:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

thats what i was talking about too. Luvingazula 16:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Personality secion
The next person to add the section about Azula's "narcisstic complex" or whatever it was will face blocking by the administrators. Don't do it. The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Questions
Do you think Azula ever loved zuko?

Do you think Azula will recover and reconile with Zuko?

Does Zuko love Azula? Luvingazula 16:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you already know the answers to those questions, so I'm just gonna say this: "Go. Away." - Zero - Talk 17:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

i am only carring out a survey Luvingazula 17:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Go. Away. - Zero - Talk 17:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, this needs to stop, Luvingazula, you were already told once not to keep questioning people about Azula, this is not the place to do it, if you want to keep asking those questions, create an account in an Avatar board or forum. Zero, I agree with you, I just think you have to have a bit more of touch with these matters, it's a pain but we can't be rude. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)