Talk:Avatar/Archive 1

This Article contains closed or unnecessary discussions. - Zero - Talk 16:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Is it true that normal people can become fire benders.

What, you mean in real life? Nope, I don't think so.

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I think someone took my Speculation edit a bit too literally: "There are no cross country people, and only the Avatar can more than one element." First of all, the "Earthbender mom and firebender dad" was only an example, though I can't see why it couldn't really happen - I mean, look at Aang and Katara (or Sokka and Suki, though they aren't benders). Secondly, the main reason, I think, why the Avatar can master more than one element, is the correct attitude and a state of mind. So technically anyone could, with enough travelling and lots of training, learn some foreing bending, though this'd of course be a lot more difficult for non-Avatars. It's all about how you're raised. Regardless, if Aang goes all Jedi-like and finds some babies with potential to be taken to one of the Air Temples for training, I can't make up a single good reason why they couldn't one day become great Airbending masters. Or they could learn some themselves, like Katara learned Waterbending (though this'll be a lot more difficult now with Flying Bisons near-extinct as well).

All speculation, of course. I don't think it's been officially stated how all this stuff actually goes, anyway. So you can't silence me, nan nan naa.


 * In an interview with Mike and Bryan at ASN, they said that what defines if a person is a bender or not is a mix of genetics and spirituality, if my internet was a bit faster I would go search for it but unfortunately it's not. Taking that into account, even if a person has all the spirituality part, they'd have to have the genetic part down as well, it's not a matter of finding someone who's enlightened, if that was the case Pathik would be an Avatar. 201.17.74.167 18:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

My speculation is that if one bender marries another bender and they are diffrent type Hlaf might be one kind and half the other ~ Daniel 06:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

5th bending form
if the island creature was right, then bending came from his kind, because they were the first creatures with ties to the spirit world.

That is unknown, but the Lion Turtle spoke of an era 'before the Avatar'. That might mean that once the elements could be manipulated through bending, the Avatar was necessary to keep them in balance. The spirit world has many animals (dragons, monkeys, pandas ,swamp creatures etc plus the two Koi fish) so elemental bending could come from those creatures. PhantomS 17:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Any difference between what I call "Shine" and "Blink"?
"Shine" being what the Avatars usually do when they enter the Avatar State: Their eyes (and tattoos) glow all the time. And then there's the "Blink", which was only used twice - by Kyoshi, and again by Aang - during which their eyes just blink a bit and then go back to normal. It'd seem to me like the "Shine" was used in battle, and "Blink" in non-combat - and I'd even go as far as to say that the "Blink" is a lot more powerful.

The Blink, as you say it, is when the Avatar is in complete control of the Avatar State. They can be in control with Shine, but the sign the Avatar can control it is the Blink. Omnibender 16:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

There seem to be two ways of using the Avatar State. One is the Continuous Use or Shine, the Second is the Non-Continuous Use or Blink. In the Continuous Use it seems that all the energy, power and skills is continuously flowing through the Avatar while in the Non-continuous Use it seems that the Avatar gains momentary access to that power and skill and stores it within him and uses that power after releasing the Avatar State thus minimizing the chance of breaking the reincarnation cycle. Zero 06:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

in the case of the finale at "Avatar Aang", when "Aang" fought and almost killed Ozai, the Avatar spirit and "all past avatars" had control of the body of Aang, and is why when it spoke to Ozai it was all the voices of past avatars speaking as one.

when Aang "blinked" after the battle, than did a clean up of the surrounding land, this time Aang had complete control of the Avatar state, he had the "more powerful strength"

I speculate that when "the avatar spirit" takes control, the current Avatar would have the knowledge of all the skills past avatars learned; but in "controlled avatar state"(blink)the avatar would be "more powerful" but able to do only the skills that avatar learned, so if an avatar took control "learning only 3 of the 4 types of bending", it would only be able to use those 3, but not the 4th one

basically, if Aang had taken "control" at the crossroads episode(220), even if he was in Avatar State, he would not have been able to do firebending except maybe the little he learned from Jeong Jeong --Wiselad 11:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Ultimate Avatar State Attack
Is this section really necessary? It just describes how Aang used the Avatar State in the finale, there's no canon indication that there are different levels of the Avatar State other than the "not in control of it" and "in control of it". Omnibender 14:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh come on. If the combination of Aang and La has a section then this should too. Besides, the way it was used, I think it would be a shame if it were to be left unmentioned. Zero 05:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Was this given a name like Koizilla? Felinoel 05:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Whats Koizilla? Zero 05:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Koizilla is the name given to the combination of Aang and La Felinoel 05:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well that is a Fan Name. It even sounds like one. This name gives a complete overview of what to expect. but if Nick releases a name for it I'll gladly change it. Zero 06:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a fan name, it is mentioned by one of the creators, I think that during the episode commentary for Siege of the North. And Koizilla is featured at Nick.com, for now it's best to remove the UASA (along with some speculation someone else added). If Nick.com features it at the Gear&More section of the episode, no problem in adding it, perhaps even a page about it, like Dancing Dragon, Rock Gloves and Iceberg Spikes. Omnibender 14:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course its a fan name, but the fans that gave it that name were the creators =b Felinoel 17:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It was probably just a joke just as when the Creators were once asked about the previous Air Nomad Avatar and they couldnt think fast enough and one of them said Avatar Susan, she was later officially named as Avatar Yangchen. I think this name is good. If the Creators decide to give it a name then we'll simply replace it. No need to go all beserk. Zero 05:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What? Ummmm... did you post that in the right place? Felinoel 05:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone deleted it. Only the Avatar can use this attack so it should go right next to the spiritual linkup. Please do not delete it again. Zero 05:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We all agreed on removing it because it could be one of many attacks and it doesn't even have its own name... Felinoel 05:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Who's we? I wasnt part of the discussion. Why are you so bent on contradicting everything I say, especially when I always have more reasons than yours. Why? Zero 05:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you never felt like joining this discussion and you have no reasons to keep it, its only you because you seem to go terrorizing everything you can anywhere you can and I am only trying to fix it. Felinoel 05:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Terrorizing? You're the butcher here. As a compromise, I've coded the part so it is present in the edit mode but invisible in the view mode. Please let it stay that way. We can simply remove the code when nick releases the info and edit the part. In this way my work wont be wasted. Thank You!! Zero 05:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes of course, because this is the only page I am talking about, just remember I wasn't the one who deleted it in the first place Felinoel 05:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

But you did not bother to see who did. You merely went on his\her path. Please try to keep an open mind. Thank You. Zero 05:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, what I did was join the discussion, and listened to what people said before removing or adding it whether or not people cared like you did earlier Felinoel 05:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I was a part of this discussion and you didnt even bother to listen to me. It okay because I forgive you... (Giggling) Zero 05:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see, thats obviously what I get for listening to you, since you just said you weren't... Felinoel 05:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey I deleted my previous to last post because I figured out it was Omni who did it. Oh well sorry I said that. By the way I meant to say "listen to my point of view" not "listen to me". Sorry about that too. Zero 06:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was responding to it when it told me you deleted it and I didn't feel like not responding to it, and I tried to listen to your point of view, but you really gave no arguements Felinoel 09:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Look closely to what I said before. I said that since only the Avatar could use this attack therefore it should stay here. Anyway Its hidden now so this is pretty much pointless to talk about. See ya. Zero 10:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed it first cause there was not enough information on it, certainly not enough to make such a big section. And it had some speculation on it as well. Anyway, my second comment in this section proposed something that it seems no one else read: Let's wait until Nick.com reaches that episode in their website to see if the put that technique (I call it Elemental Sphere), if they do we can make a page solely for that technique, just like with Dancing Dragon, Rock Gloves and Iceberg Spikes. A small mention of it, for now is enough, and later, when we have more information, we can make a proper entry here, and put a link to the article of the technique, should nick.com give on. Omnibender 15:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Who even came up with the name Ultimate Avatar State Attack in the first place? Am I the only one who thinks that's incredibly corny and just about the worst name you can make? 84.250.246.11 08:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea thats one reason why I don't like it, apparently fans came up with that name which is another reason why I don't like it, its not an official name Felinoel 20:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

If you've got a better name then I'm all for it. So lets see what you geniuses can come up with. Zero 05:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

How about if I rename the paragraph as Simultaneous Bending and edit it so that it explains all the times Aang has simultaneously bended more than one element. Zero 05:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bending more than one element is not something Avatar State restricted, Aang used Air and Earth to make the BSS zoo. As for a better name: Elemental Sphere. It's simple, accurate, and it's not flashy. Omnibender 18:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

So we could just shift it out of the Avatar State Section of the Article. What do you think? Zero 10:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Can do, but I don't think we should try to over build on that, it's info, but there's not much on it, so there's only so much we can do. Omnibender 12:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

There is just as much info in the Spiritual Linkup Part and it has a section to itself. I'm gonna do it. Zero 04:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem I had with its name was not just that I didn't like it, but that it wasn't official, I like Simultaneous Elemental Bend, the reason not for the -ing part is because it won't mean this is any particular move, but just a move that was shown in the show Felinoel 02:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh man. Not you again. This discussion is at an end. Please read the whole discussion. The name's been erased. Now... Stay away. Zero - Talk 04:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean again? Its still not again, and I was agreeing with you, please do not assume I hadn't read the whole discussion, I was just making a point I couldn't make at the time of the discussion because I was working too much to be online at the time, as I said in my user page at the time Felinoel 22:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)