Talk:History of the World of Avatar

According to Sozin's page, twelve years passed between Roku and Sozin's 16th birthday and Roku's wedding, then another five years passed before Roku and Sozin had their fight and then another twenty five years before Roku's death (and Aang's birth). Since Sozin's comet arrived 12 years after Aang's birth, this would mean that Roku and Sozin were born in the year 930 (as this timeline has placed the arrival of the comet in the year 1000), not the year 918 as is put in this timeline. Thus Sozin would have died in the year 1032, not 1020. On another note, in Zuko Alone, it is said that Azulon was fire Lord for only 23 years. Since he died in 1095 by this timeline, it means that he became fire lord in 1072, leaving a gap of fifty years between Sozin's death and the beginning of Azulon's reign. hmmmm....I guess theres room for fanon to make up a childless brother or sister for Azulon who was Fire Lord for those fifty years lol Dippit 04:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently there was an interview with the show's creators in which they said that Azulon was Fire Lord for 75 years and not the 20 years mentioned in "Zuko Alone". As for the rest of it, I suggest you contact TLane at User talk:TLane. -- Supermorff 12:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

1000
why start the war at year 1000? Is that a canon year system from the story?

Year System
I was wondering, where did the years of 1000 and 900 and 688 and stuff come from? Alex101313 23:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It's all just quite basic, 1000 is when Aang was born, it's like saying 0, except this way we don't have to say Bc and Ad and such, so 100 is Aang's birth, and setting then as his birth, knowing the age of previous Avatars, we can tell when each one died and was borned through this happening within a week for each Avatar. And one more thing, Puragus, why did you delete my reply? Thanks. Joey - Talk 23:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i get that part, but how did we land on 1000? Alex101313 23:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Because it sounds right, and it gives a lot of time to date events before the war. This isn't anything really official, we just made it up for convenience. In fact, I think we should add a disclaimer at the top explaining the year system, why it's there, and that it's not canon. Puragus - Talk 01:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya, I think we should make a template that we could use, something that says that it is not cannon and we could use it for this, the games, and everything else not cannon. What do you think? Joey - Talk 01:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes, on official non-canon things, like the Games and the TCG. It would work.

What do you mean I deleted your reply? When did I do that? Puragus - Talk 02:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Great idea, but how the heck do you make templates? (excuse my computer incompetence) Alex101313 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Ok, so if the template idea sounds good, perhaps say Zero2001 or someone else who is good with templates could cook one up? We sould ask him later. 2. Puragus, you must have done it by mistake, because Wikia is having some javascript problems, if you want to see it, check the hitory, compare your first edit on this page, with my edit before yours and you'll see. It's no big deal, anyways lets see what we can come up with for this wiki. Thanks. Joey - Talk 02:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I see where that happened. It wasn't on purpose. I don't remember that being there when I replied. Don't worry about Templates Alex, I don't know how to make any either and I'm an admin. I'm sure Zero would be willing to do it. Puragus - Talk 03:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since I was bored I started messing around with it, and give me some feedback about it, the template is fairly simple and please give me some advice for it, thanks. Joey - Talk 04:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a good start, and it would work for things like the TCG, but you might want to tweak it a bit to be more specific to certain articles. The timeline itself is canon, it's just the year system that isn't. Puragus - Talk 04:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya, so tell me how I should word this? For this specific article? This system of years is fan-made and is not considered canon." ? Tell me how you would word it. Joey - Talk 04:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how templates work, but I'd have something you could fill in, like the "Discussion closed" template. Something like, "The following information in this article is not considered canon: (Fill in here)". Can you do that? Puragus - Talk 04:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I made a template similar to that one, its on that page and tell me if there is anything with that one I should change or make better, thanks. Joey - Talk 05:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

That looks good to me. We could use both templates for specific cases. For example, the bottom template would work for this article, and the top one for TCG information. How does that sound to you? Puragus - Talk 05:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya that works, so if you want, we can change the colors, or anything else before I finalize it and make it a page? Thanks. Joey - Talk 05:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure it could be more colorful, but I don't know what colors. Just go with whatever you want, you're the one putting in the work. Although, it could use one of those pics, like the one above it. Puragus - Talk 05:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to go to bed now, and tomorrow I'll start to make it look nice and control the sides, and if anyone wants to edit it while its still in my sandbox, go right ahead, thanks. Joey - Talk 05:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok i'm going to stay out of the rest of the conversation. Good luck guys! =) Alex101313 00:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Puragus, I finalized it, Template:Canon the instructions for use are right on the page and are relatively different than what you may be familiar with, thanks and leave me some feedback. Feel free to apply it to any other article that is partly or completely non-canon. Joey - Talk 06:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fantastic, thank you. Puragus - Talk 02:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Problem
Something Alex said on my Talk Page made me realize something: There's a problem with the timeline. If you think about it, Sozin's Comet is said to come once every hundred years. Sozin started the war in the year 1000. But, according to our timeline, Aang unfroze in 1100, and stopped Ozai and Sozin's in the year 1101. This is impossible if Sozin's comet comes every 100 years, and Aang would have defeated Ozai on the 101'st anniversary of the War. This can't be right. Logically, Aang unfroze in the year 1099, and the war ended in 1100. Puragus  Talk 02:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

That is a problem. Oh dear, here comes the fixing work. On the other hand, I suppose it wouldn't come exactly every 100 years. There would be some slack. How many things do you see happen exactly every whatever period of time? 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 02:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Wait how do we know that both events happened on different years? Aren't they both in the same year? AlexTalk 02:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The 888th Avatar: That's a good point, except that the Avatar World doesn't seem to function like ours does in some way. The comet enters the world's atmosphere without crasahing into it, and it's implied that that's what happens every time. If it can do that, I think it could come every 100 years precisely.

Alex: We know the seasons take place over different seasons. Season one is in winter (Winter Solstice), and in The Chase, they said Appa was shedding because of Spring, and Sozin's Comet takes place at the end of summer. We're assuming that the new year comes in the winter, like in our world, or else that would screw up the timeline anyway. Puragus  Talk 02:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

........You know what? I'm going to stop talking because I keep making stupid remarks. For now just assume that Aang was released from the iceberg in 1099. AlexTalk 03:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I think so. Mind you, we are making a lot of assumptions with this template. We assume that Sozin's Comet comes every 100 years exactly, at the end of every summer. We assume that the New year begins on January first in this world (although it is also logical to assume that it's in February, as per the Chinese new year). None of that is canon, but since there's no official confirmation, I say we continue to assume these things, and add it to the Non-Canon template. Puragus  Talk 03:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

New System
Guys, here's a better idea then "YA - Years Ago":
 * BTW - Before the War
 * DTW - During the War
 * ATW - After the War

Also, another suggestion:
 * BSC - Before Sozin's Comet (First Time)
 * ASC - After Sozin's Comet

And finally:
 * BBW - Before the Battle at Wulong Forest
 * ABW - After the Battle of Wulong Forest

Notes: The first be a good way, since it might be a possible way the World of Avatar would date it. The second one is another possibility, though I understand if it's not a good one. And the final one is probably my favorite. Since the battle was the most important event in the series, it's a good idea to date events around it. It's similar to the way they date Star Wars, "BBY -Before the Battle of Yavin" and "ABY - After the Battle of Yavin."

What do you guys think, since I really don't like the "YA," it makes no sense. -SuperFlash101 03:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't change this. It's too complicated. However, if we must, it should be based around Aang's awakening at the South Pole. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 03:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Really? And it's not really complicated, it's actually quite simple. I just said a lot (maybe two much) of stuff. Ha-ha... Anyways, there would be no nice-looking system for that. I mean, it would be BAA, which I just don't like what it is abbreviated from. --SuperFlash101 03:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

We don't use YA any more, though. We just use the year system where the year 1000 marks the beginning of the war. Puragus  Talk 04:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The funny thing is that many pages still have YA. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 04:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Exactly what I was going to say before 888th added and gave me an edit conflict. We need to establish a new system for battles and wars and duels. Which one do you like best? --SuperFlash101 04:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I think we should get rid of the YA system for every page, and just use the system we already use here. Puragus  Talk 04:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Bur it's not really a real system. A "system", in this case, is a dating system we need to use to date actual dates. These are completely un-canon ways to date, but the previous system is an actual way to date things canonically. Please understand. --SuperFlash101 04:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I get that. But, and this is just my opinion, I think the system we use right now is easier to understand. But I'll shut up and listen to other opinions. Puragus  Talk 04:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

If people get the 1000 being the beginning of the War system, I see no reason to change it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

But, you see, the thing is, battles and wars are using a blend of YA and the current system. It would be easier to create a new, simplar, canon way to date. I mean, the "year 1000" is never mentioned in the show, and this is seriously a real and canon way to date things. We don't need to put the canon tag at the top anymore, and I for one think this system makes no sense. How'd someone come up with this? I think we should change it to a new CANON system. (And by "Canon", I mean these are real dates for the show, as we can really date how long before the Battle at Wulong Forest something happened or how long before the first Sozin's Comet happened. The whole series takes place from 1 - 100 ASC.) Please here me out here. --SuperFlash101 13:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The system is fine as long as we make it clearer to all users that 1000 is the beginning of the War. We should splash it on the Community Portal and the Main Page etc. However, if we do change the system, I've changed my mind and I think dating from the start of the War is most logical. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 15:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, but why don't you like using this system?> It's CANON, which is why I don't like this system, it's completely fan-made. Don't you see? --SuperFlash101 15:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I actually kind of like this idea now, since it is canon. The best, most logical system would be "Before Sozin's Comet" and "After Sozin's Comet", since it's not that different from what we have, and is easiest to understand. The only question I have is: did Sozin's comet come in the year 0 or 1 ASC? Puragus  Talk 05:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I kind of like it as well. Sozin's Comet, Puragus would of course come on 0. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 05:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Okay, yeah, Sozin's Comet (remember, this is the first time it came around and started the war) would be at year 0, but there wouldn't be any "BSC" or "ASC" after that, only when it's before or after. Cool, we should start the vote, right? --SuperFlash101 14:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

You touched my main concern with this year system, which Comet passing is to be used. I'm actually fine with it, but we'd need some kind of warning to explain the year system, and to clarify that the comet passing used as a reference point is the one that helped the Fire Nation start the war. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Splash it on the main page, the help page, the community portal etc. That will warn users and will serve as a reference point for viewers and future users. 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Votes
Former System: 1000 as year of Sozin's Comet (start of war)

A New System: 0 as year of Sozin's Comet (start of war) and years marked BSC and ASC
 * 1) 888th Avatar - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)