Talk:Amon/@comment-108.248.176.6-20120729215822/@comment-5225415-20120730230409

First, you don't sign your posts, so if someone else takes up the same argument using the same words, I can't tell that it is not you. Especially given the manner of response. Can you honestly say it doesn't sound like the post of yours made in response to my own? I cannot speak for everyone, but I don't check each and every time to see if everyone has the same IP address, especially if the response given is so close to what a person I was previously speaking with has been saying. There are too many Anons to keep track of them all. And besides, the only part of the message that was not addressed to every fan of 'shipping' was the direct quote.

Second, I said, very clearly, that people are free to ship whatever absurd romantic pairing they want. I never said a damn word to suggest that they couldn't, all I voiced was my opinion on the matter. And yes, I tried to encourage people to show some creativity of their own. If you are incapable of that, if your idea of 'creativity' is forming a pairing - with characters that are not yours - then my advice stands. Try making something that's truly yours. Alas, this is one of the reasons so many desperately search for decent fiction/fantasy. It's a rare comodity that's dwindling more and more every year.

I didn't realize it was a bad thing to encourage people to make something of their own. I never said they couldn't do fan-fiction, or indulge in those tiresome, endless pairing/shipping. . . things, I only said how limiting that is. And I will ALWAYS maintain that this obsession with romance grossly limits the vast potential different relationships can offer. I encourage variety. Complexity. I am sorry if such encouragement is upsetting to you. I see, now, that trying to understand this odd trend and attempting to offer alternate possibilies, is horrible. Simply horrible. Anger inducing, even. I mean, it's so awful that two people cannot have a discussion or debate on the matter without someone - apparently - becoming defensive and resorting to the "I don't need to explain anything' attitude. Which is true, you don't, however I would suggest you learn to have a discussion - especially one that involves a difference of opinion - without it becoming personal. My question was not spoken with ill-will, it was born of a true desire to understand a need that I cannot yet comprehend.

If you think my confusion towards your 'ships' is me saying a person doesn't have a right to engage in them then, forgive me, you are grossly mistaken. In fact I recall saying, again very clearly, that such a thing is your choice and that I'd never try to stop anyone from doing it. I did not say you couldn't support them, write of them or whatever the hell you do with them, I just asked why they were so important. and expressed my opinion that more avenues other than romance could, perhaos even should, be explored for a change. As in, why are romances so vital? I suppose that question is too difficult to answer without angry outbursts or misguided accusations?

Also, if others have a right to make posts about their need for 'shipping' over. . . and over. . . and OVER again, I damn well have the right to ask them WHY such a thing is so important, why do they like them so much. Surely that is a reasonable question to ask given the flood of posts involving ships that can be found everywhere on this site. And if you think a question born of genuine curiosity - and yes, confusion - is so terribly offensive, well, too bad. I asked my question and explained the reasons behind it, whether you like those reasons or not. You get so indignant about someone you think disapproves of your opinion, yet you show no tolerance for theirs and refuse to give any kind of reasons to support yours - which was all I asked for; your reason for enjoying non-canon, unsupported pairings it. Or any pairings, for that matter. Because, I assume, if you feel thay strongly about it, surely there is a reason. I gave my reasons for disliking it and did so with no feelings towards anyone other than a mingling of curiosity and bewilderment. Naturally, I always believe people are able to do the same; unless, like in this instance, I am proven wrong in that belief. I always expect people to be capable of having a discussion, even - and perhaps especially- when both parties do not agree with one another..

It is possible it disagree with someone without becoming emotionally distressed or defensive. That's how discussions are, more than one person expressing their thoughts on a topic and voicing their thoughts on the matter, be they in complete agreement with one another or are of opposing viewpoints, but I guess that concept is too foreign for some.

A'Len